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Originally Posted by chris4851 View Post

Before you jump down on AT&T you might want to know that they spent $15 billion dollars upgrading their network in 2008. And Verizon will be introducing LTE simply because they have a dying CMDA technology. There is no future for VZ on CDMA so they have to get to LTE.

Everything evolves- even the iPhone's lousy AT&T Edge network evolved into AT&T's lousy patched up 3G network.
At least Veizon will be unveiling a completely brand new 4G network built up from scratch.
post #42 of 80
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Originally Posted by freeny View Post

Why do i pay AT&T $130 a month again? could someone please remind me....

You were attracted to what was offered at the time.

What was offered hasn't changed though, what has changed is what you expect.
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Originally Posted by freeny View Post

No, that wasnt it.... still searching....

Have you tried asking AT&T then?
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Originally Posted by Taskiss View Post

You were attracted to what was offered at the time.

What was offered hasn't changed though, what has changed is what you expect.

No, Im pretty sure what was offered has changed....
And what I expect, hasn't...
post #45 of 80
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Originally Posted by Taskiss View Post

You were attracted to what was offered at the time.

What was offered hasn't changed though, what has changed is what you expect.

Maybe what was promised never come to fruition?
post #46 of 80
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Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post

I hear but what you're saying but the issue goes beyond slingbox. I'm not some big slingbox nut. I'm an Apple nut and AT&T is screwing up my phone.

What happens when YouTube starts offering many TV shows and movies? What happens when there is a Hulu app? They've also blocked USTREAM over 3g. This is just the beginning. Streaming video will be very soon, if not already, an important part of a smartphones' experience. The smartphone is going to be a miniature laptop/desktop. If you can't stream video over data you payed for, then it is significantly flawed and useless.

Well, you could also be right and I've certainly got more upset over less before. I am no saint in terms of getting unreasonably angry at monopolistic companies and their outrageous behaviour. The digital revolution sure does seem to be taking it's time arriving, given that it often seems like I might be dead before some of these technologies come to fruition.

Today, I am especially calm and reflective for some reason, and am taking the position that we should all chill out and that these things will all work themselves out in time. I guess that's easy for me to say though as I have little interest in watching TV on my mobile.
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post #47 of 80
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Originally Posted by freeny View Post

No, Im pretty sure what was offered has changed....
And what I expect, hasn't...

What do you think you were contractually offered?
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Originally Posted by Taskiss View Post

What do you think you were contractually offered?

unlimited internet access
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post #49 of 80
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Originally Posted by bloggerblog View Post

unlimited internet access

Didn't the TV commercials (in the USA at least) mention something about the real internet, not crippled?
post #50 of 80
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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

If there were 30 million pocket PCs with EVDO that ATT thought would use Sling, they would outlaw that as well. I'm OK with it - it will prevent this app from saturating the network and hurting my (and the other 90% of users who don't use sling) service.

That said, it seems like an awesome thing and I'd now consider getting a slingbox.

What an AT&T apologist. My goodness, do they have pictures of you playing golf with satan? Saturating the network. Then this just goes to prove that AT&T's network is pure shit and you are paying for it. Normally you pay to screw, not pay to get screwed.
post #51 of 80
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

You already know the answer you just want to complain about something.

Pocket PC has no web marketshare and does not have the same problems as the iPhone.

Wait, are there Apple data packets and Pocket PC data packets or are there just data packets?

Let the apologizing begin.....
post #52 of 80
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

This is misleading. The fact is that the numbers of people that use slingbox on those networks is very small at the moment. That's a completely different thing than putting a much easier to use app in a prominent role on the most popular media device. While PocketPC's and so forth are *capable* of doing all kinds of things, the fact remains that people don't use them for those things, whereas the iPHone has very high use rates for all it's internet functions.

Well you *say* this, but then you don't offer up any evidence that the assumption is wrong. There is on the other hand a lot of evidence to suggest that AT&T's network might have trouble handling this kind of traffic in large numbers. The only places in the world that I know of wherein this kind of heavy media traffic is common have completely different network set-ups than the USA does, using mostly different technology.

Almost all of Finland is now using mobile data. Dial up died a flaming death when DSL dropped. This too was the ticket where as many people had (have to a lesser degree) it until mobile data packages started being offered by the cell operators. AT&T is scamming, and people are paying. WIn-win for everyone. The people who are happy to give them the money and AT&T who are collecting it.
post #53 of 80
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

They are dozens and dozens, those small guys who've been trying to broadcast for iPhones since years now. They all are caged in wifi.
It's not at all interesting anymore. Mobile TV over 3G, which can be watched everywhere, in offices, in restaurants, in cars (by passengers), is here already.

Exactly. It is not new, it just was not in the US. Once there it suddenly becomes new?
post #54 of 80
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Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post

C'mon do you really believe that AT&T is going to measure their usage patterns to determine if they will allow it on 3G? Thery're done with it. Game over for slingbox & 3G. AT&T even changed their TOS primarily because of Slingbox changed it back because of complaints. Do you know what they did? They snuck the changes back in two weeks later. That's AT&T. How substantial can it be? Most people don't watch hours of video on the iPhone. YouTube would kill the Slingbox in tems of usage (a free app btw). To even get to use a Slingbox you have to pay $150 just for the Slingbox and $30 for the app. Most App Store buyers don't purchase an app above $7 much less $30. BTW, I paid for that data they charge me for. Phone companies already jack up the price on coverage by separating cell form data when they are in fact the same thing.



I can't believe you're bringing this up. I pay $220/month for my cable. Am I somehow cheating the content owners by watching their show? They still get my Nielsen rating because Slingbox changes the channel on the cable box.



I'm not some slingbox enthusiast. I don't hang out at slingcommunity. How is streaming videos "f***ing everybody else"? So you're saying that's it's not OK to do things when you want to if technology can support it. That is the whole point of technology.



How so? So you're telling me that I have to buy a cup of coffee to watch TV or use AT&T's crappy U-Verse? So I shouldn't want to do things my way but AT&T's way?



That's right. Because when you sum it up with AT&T:
-lousy coverage
-dropped calls
-no Skype over 3G
-no Slingbox over 3g
-at least $100/month

EDIT: BTW, YouTube is also making deals for movies and TV Shows. They already have a few. Are they going to block that too? Also, I guess the writing is on the wall for a Hulu app.

Best post of this thread.
post #55 of 80
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Originally Posted by bloggerblog View Post

unlimited internet access

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...s.jsp#features

Check out the "Prohibited and Permissible Uses" section.

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While most common uses for Intranet browsing, email and intranet access are permitted by your data plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network capacity issues and interference with the network and are therefore prohibited. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following:

...

If you thought you were contractually allowed to do whatever you want, you might want to read the contract terms. Since the terms listed include the "without limitation" phrase, new net sucking apps may be denied in order to preserve network capacity. Always read the fine print when you sign a contract (or anything), and if you don't understand the terms, hire a lawyer.
post #56 of 80
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Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post

It's not dying that hard considering they have a far better network than AT&T. AT&T will also have to convert to LTE anyway which makes that point moot. I really don't care how much money they spent last year for their network. I'm living here in NYC and coverage has always been the same: lousy. All congressman in Washington have to use Verizon because it is the only carrier that would pick up a signal inside the Capitol. There was a music fair in April (Coachella) and AT&T sponsored it. At their own sponsored event, you could not get coverage. LOL. If you have trouble with reception in at least two of the five major cities in this country, your network sucks.

AT&T would have lost customers this quarter if not solely for the iPhone. There is a reason for this.

Verizon shouldn't have passed on the iPhone in the beginning. Sucks for them, but horrible business decision. They could only be so lucky to have a great phone on their network. AT&T has the top two phones iPhone and Blackberry Bold. GO VERIZON
post #57 of 80
Product names matter to the success and mass adoption of products. I couldn't grasp what the hell a Slingbox was for the longest, but it SOUNDED like I should know what it was, and was stupid not to - and it frankly made me actively disinterested.

I guess I've got it now: it "slings" media around to wherever. Yay. Not that TiVO is intuitive, but it's short and catchy. But names like YouTube are both (video by and for you) and certainly contributed to its rise to ubiquity and dominance. Google didn't "mean" anything, despite its appropriation of "googol" - but like Xerox (and TiVO) is "verbable" - we xerox things, google them, TiV0 them. But I doubt we're going to hear most people say they're going to "slingbox" things.

Maybe if they get big enough in mass consciousness, though, we'll be "slinging" things the way we "wiki" them.

In the brief history of the cyber age, instantly synonymous (and ones less so) names stand out: Word (can't beat it), Excel (what is it? a Korean car? - good for MS they came up with the Office [another instant winner] and bundled it). Photoshop. iTunes. Windows. App Store. Walkman (and for that matter, in another age, Walkie-Talkie). iPhone.

Others just sound cool and get established by marketing and buzz. What does "Amazon" have to do with selling books? But a better choice for a retaler who eventually sells everything. eBay. On the opposite end, "Yahoo" always bugged me, and when they started to extol it by singing it loudly in ads, I became actively hostile to the company. (You're right, it's me, not them. Or is it?)

Others define new categories of products and become the category: iPod. (goodbye "MP3 player, and now the 'pod is so much more). And can grow: iPod Touch. iLife, iWork, ditto.

Apple is brilliant at branding even when lots of us don't like their new names at first blush. I'm still campaigning for Apple Mobile OS or OS X Mobile, and see people even using these in posts, but iPhone and iPhone OS are already part of the language and making bank. People carped at MacBook too, but not after a few weeks. Beats DXL2130 anyway (or whatever stupid number other computer companies use for a few months.

The only slipups I see are two in a row for a service I still feel is overpriced and still not that functional given free alternatives to most of its parts: .Mac and the narcisisstic, cutesy "MobileMe."

So this post is probably already up for a "most tangential, wtf post of the day" - so I'll quit!

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post #58 of 80
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Originally Posted by Taskiss View Post

Always read the fine print when you sign a contract (or anything), and if you don't understand the terms, hire a lawyer.

Right- we'll have to remember that ever other month when iTunes gets updated. I'll have to hire a lawyer.
post #59 of 80
[QUOTE=AppleInsider;1415676]Apple sometime in the next 24 hours will release Sling Media's highly anticipated SlingPlayer application for the iPhone onto its App Store but the software will arrive without 3G wireless support, AppleInsider has been able to confirm.

No 3G Use. Only WIFI Use. WHY the HELL AM I PAYING ATT, OH TO USE MY iPhone how they see fit. I NEED TO ABLE TO USE MY SHIT AS I WISH. This Monopoly shit is killing me.
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Personally, although I was born without the sports and violence gene...

How's that "light in the loafers" and "must post on every fucking thread" gene working out for you?
post #61 of 80
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Originally Posted by stonefingers View Post

Why doesn't Apple release 10.5.7 sometime in the next 24 hours? Sheesh!

Your wish is granted:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._7_update.html
post #62 of 80
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

Exactly. It is not new, it just was not in the US. Once there it suddenly becomes new?

WiFi TV? No way. Not even in States. Useless losers (I mean wifiers). We all've got over that already.

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post #63 of 80
@Virgil

It does NOT time shift anything - it PLACE shifts the viewing and only one person can view it.
post #64 of 80
ATT is just screwing over developers for other countries.. i pay for 6gb of data with Rogers, if i wanna spent that 6gb watching slingbox! then i am damn well gonna do it..
post #65 of 80
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Originally Posted by NeoStylez View Post

this is stupid plain and simple.. what about carriers outside of the US who dont care about saturation of networks.. why does att have to be the one who calls the shots on this.. if there blocking it simply beacuse there coming out with a similar service.. then thats pure anti competition..

what about the blackberry.. it has a sling app.. over 3g.. apple should just pull out some balls, and tell ATT where they can go.. im sure someone else will pick up the iphone..

Go and find yourself an international iphone carrier that gives you 5 GB in data allowance. There are plenty of iphone carriers worldwide that will give you 250 MB in monthly data allowance.

The app won't matter --- even if it's available in other platforms like the blackberry --- because you still can't use it according to the terms of service. It is within the rights of carriers to go and charge you thousands of dollars for you to watch a sports game using your blackberry sling app.
post #66 of 80
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Originally Posted by NeoStylez View Post

ATT is just screwing over developers for other countries.. i pay for 6gb of data with Rogers, if i wanna spent that 6gb watching slingbox! then i am damn well gonna do it..

Rogers has the same sort of restrictions on their terms of service. I bet you that Rogers isn't scare to actually charge you thousands of dollars so that you can watch your favorite tv show on sling app.
post #67 of 80
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

Almost all of Finland is now using mobile data. Dial up died a flaming death when DSL dropped. This too was the ticket where as many people had (have to a lesser degree) it until mobile data packages started being offered by the cell operators. AT&T is scamming, and people are paying. WIn-win for everyone. The people who are happy to give them the money and AT&T who are collecting it.

What planet are you from?

Finland has iphone data plans with --- 100 MB monthly data allowance.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1342...ra_iphone.html

You can't even watch the tv commercials with that kind of data allowance, let alone tv programs.
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http://twitter.com/IphonersHateATT

FOLLOW THIS TWIT TO PROTEST AT&T'S TREATMENT OF IPHONE APPS.
post #69 of 80
I tried AT&T (with an iPhone) last year for one week. I live two miles from the downtown of a major city in the Pacific Northwest, three hours south of Seattle. And I had ZERO bars in at my house. Starbucks near downtown? ZERO. In places where my Verizon signal is a blowtorch.

Of course, I would never know this from the AT&T "map" which shows my home in the middle of a thoroughly "covered" area.

I will lovingly use this Sling product on my iPod Touch, especially in my bedroom where I don't have a TV and don't always want to drag my laptop around. And all the while, I will be thinking "AT&T? Who needs you losers?"

The surprise for me: why are consumers commenting on this thread seeking to defend AT&T? They are rock bottom. They are bottom feeders. I will believe their "investment" in improved quality when I see it. And will they let me actually test it? Uh, no.
post #70 of 80
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Sling Media's concession to release its iPhone app as WiFi-only is surprising given that a version of SlingPlayer runs on several other AT&T devices over 3G like the BlackBerry Bold. With a $30 price tag and a WiFi-only limitation, it will be interesting to see how well the application fares in its first week on the App Store, especially since its lack of wireless network access is likely to curb its appeal, forcing users to find a hotspot before streaming video.

Some have theorized that AT&T's motives for asking Apple to deny a 3G capable version of the application may be more closely tied to the carrier's plan to launch a similar 3G service than any potential concerns over network saturation. The AT&T service would reportedly allow iPhone users to steer video recorders for its U-verse digital TV offering from their handsets.


Instead of issuing a dumbded down WiFi-only application, Sling Media should file a complaint with the antitrust division of the Federal Justice Department against Apple and ATT for unfairly restricting access to market for their LEGAL and useful application.

Sling Media should also sue Apple for damages.

I hate it when Apple does a dumb thing like that, alienating its customer base.




UPDATE to the original story:

- AT&T issues official statement on SlingPlayer's 3G blackout for iPhone @

http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/12/a...-blackout-for/


- AT&T Releases Statement on Lack of 3G Streaming for Upcoming SlingPlayer Mobile @

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/05/12/...player-mobile/
post #71 of 80
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

What planet are you from?

Finland has iphone data plans with --- 100 MB monthly data allowance.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1342...ra_iphone.html

You can't even watch the tv commercials with that kind of data allowance, let alone tv programs.

I am currently from Planet: Living in Helsinki, Finland. What planet are you from? Planet I don't know what the EFF I am talking about because someone wrote, it must be try?

Hey Einstein here is a clue for you. The rates that Sonera uses comes from the parent company in Sweden. The Finnish operator, Sonera does not enforce any rates they send because Sonera thinks they are stupid. You must be Swedish. Anyway, I consistently go over a gig a month. That's more than 100 mb right? How about this. Get a passport, hope on a plane and come to Finland (that's the country in between Sweden (your ancestors I assume) and Russia) and see for yourself. Most Finns (and non Finns such as me) who get the iPhone get the My Sonera plan with (are you ready for this?) UNLIMITED data. Considering Sonera and all the other operators are pushing mobile data as a viable option (many, many netbooks being sold here with unlimited data plans) to home based DSL. So your "article" holds no water.
post #72 of 80
I guess i'm not buying an iphone this summer. i was just waiting to see what happened with this as this was a major app for me. If i'm gonna be needing wi-fi for everything, then i might as well just get an ipod touch. As for phones i guess i'm getting a Palm Pre to replace my Treo 650.

AT&T knows that by killing 3G support that they will be striking a major blow to Sling. Apple of all companies is allowing this! This is the time to step in Apple and protect your customers. I have to say i am really disappointed.

The only way to strike back is to boycott the iPhone, App store and iTunes until it hurts Apple and AT&T so much financially that they do something about it. Also if you don't buy a new ipohne this Summer, you strike a blow to both AT&T and Apple. It is time they learn that we the customers are in power not them. They must give us what we want. So let's start up a grass roots effort and boycott both companies. If we can elect our first African-American president via grass roots i'm sure we can teach these 2 fat, greedy companies that they can not get away with this.

Even if you don't care about Sling, your invested in this as it's just a matter of time before they pull some other crap that effects you.
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What planet are you from?

Finland has iphone data plans with --- 100 MB monthly data allowance.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1342...ra_iphone.html

You can't even watch the tv commercials with that kind of data allowance, let alone tv programs.

It isn't that scary, as it may seem. True, in Europe when you sign the 'unlimited' data plan they announce you, that your "connection speed may be decreased until next payment date after you outspend 'reasonable' amount of exchanged data". In France 'reasonable amount' seems to be 500MB. I used to get the warning message from Orange after the first week of each contract month. But this doesn't bother me anyhow... They may or may not decrease my connection speed... Dunno exactly what they gonna do with my connection... Duncare.... I watch soccer and wrestling (catch) on my breaks, I browse YouTube, I read books, I write emails...

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post #74 of 80
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Originally Posted by iLad View Post

The only way to strike back is to boycott the iPhone, App store and iTunes until it hurts Apple and AT&T so much financially that they do something about it. Also if you don't buy a new ipohne this Summer, you strike a blow to both AT&T and Apple. It is time they learn that we the customers are in power not them. They must give us what we want. So let's start up a grass roots effort and boycott both companies. If we can elect our first African-American president via grass roots i'm sure we can teach these 2 fat, greedy companies that they can not get away with this.
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Good luck with that self-righteous, air-guitar, blunt-force if done, but isn't gonna happen over an app anyway activism.

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Good luck with that self-righteous, air-guitar, blunt-force if done, but isn't gonna happen over an app anyway activism.

I too doubt that the handling of this app would have a noticeable effect on sales of the iPhone and AT&T service.
post #76 of 80
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

I am currently from Planet: Living in Helsinki, Finland. What planet are you from? Planet I don't know what the EFF I am talking about because someone wrote, it must be try?

Hey Einstein here is a clue for you. The rates that Sonera uses comes from the parent company in Sweden. The Finnish operator, Sonera does not enforce any rates they send because Sonera thinks they are stupid. You must be Swedish. Anyway, I consistently go over a gig a month. That's more than 100 mb right? How about this. Get a passport, hope on a plane and come to Finland (that's the country in between Sweden (your ancestors I assume) and Russia) and see for yourself. Most Finns (and non Finns such as me) who get the iPhone get the My Sonera plan with (are you ready for this?) UNLIMITED data. Considering Sonera and all the other operators are pushing mobile data as a viable option (many, many netbooks being sold here with unlimited data plans) to home based DSL. So your "article" holds no water.

Want to get banned again, Mr. Diplomat.

Carriers don't enforce their policies currently --- doesn't mean that those policies aren't there (legally) in the first place. That's the whole point of the worldwide launch of the iphone --- 300-400 million Europeans thought INCORRECTLY that their government forbid those policies (i.e. rude awakening for the Brits to find out that they have absolutely no legal right to demand an unlocking code, even at the end of contract).

You can do whatever you want --- with your SO CALLED UNLIMITED data, until your operator gives you a rude awakening and enforce those rules.
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Want to get banned again, Mr. Diplomat.

Carriers don't enforce their policies currently --- doesn't mean that those policies aren't there (legally) in the first place. That's the whole point of the worldwide launch of the iphone --- 300-400 million Europeans thought INCORRECTLY that their government forbid those policies (i.e. rude awakening for the Brits to find out that they have absolutely no legal right to demand an unlocking code, even at the end of contract).

You can do whatever you want --- with your SO CALLED UNLIMITED data, until your operator gives you a rude awakening and enforce those rules.

Hey Mr. Wrong as usual, I was not banned in the first place. Being you has to be a drag..

Anyway, so explain what unlimited means to you in your myopic world because in mine and on my contract it means, all the data I want for the price I paid. If I want QoS, I can pay more and get this as well. Quite simple, you do not know what you are talking about. Now please go annoy someone else. Go pedal crazy somewhere else.
post #78 of 80
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Anyway, so explain what unlimited means to you in your myopic world because in mine and on my contract it means, all the data I want for the price I paid. If I want QoS, I can pay more and get this as well. Quite simple, you do not know what you are talking about. Now please go annoy someone else. Go pedal crazy somewhere else.

In your world, you use a data plan that is not supposed to be used for the iphone. Your carrier turned a blind eye on it --- doesn't mean anything. Plenty of people tether their cell phones in the US with a $7 T-Mobile WAP plan or on Sprint's cell phone plans.

If your world is so good, then show me any sort of proof that the Fins actually use their mobile phones on mobile data plans. The reality is that 92% of all mobile data traffic in Finland came from pc data cards, not mobile phones.

http://disruptivewireless.blogspot.c...a-traffic.html
post #79 of 80
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

In your world, you use a data plan that is not supposed to be used for the iphone. Your carrier turned a blind eye on it --- doesn't mean anything. Plenty of people tether their cell phones in the US with a $7 T-Mobile WAP plan or on Sprint's cell phone plans.

If your world is so good, then show me any sort of proof that the Fins actually use their mobile phones on mobile data plans. The reality is that 92% of all mobile data traffic in Finland came from pc data cards, not mobile phones.

http://disruptivewireless.blogspot.c...a-traffic.html

In my world, we have this thing called actual experience, and the ability to go to the phone dealer and speak to them directly. Is your world somewhere in Sweden? Never mind, please prove your statement: "you use a data plan that is not supposed to be used for the iphone." Please site actual facts. Not planet I don't know what I am talking about theories but a fact. Hint: being that you believe everything that you read, look up the words: Minon Sonera under iPhone plans and then come back and embarass yourself with the results. I'll wait.

Your statement about Finns using mobile data via PC Card (which is what I said) pretty much what I have been saying. The operators are pushing data services as an alternative to fixed line data services. Did I go too fast for you. I thought it was pretty easy to understand. But here is the real news flash for you. Why buy a PC Card when most of the phones here 3G capable and have the ability to tether. So can you prove that these very same people aren't using their cell phones for data. By the way, no one in our embassy has a PC Card but they all have phones that are 3G and tethered to their laptops but then again in your world out on Blargon 5 they shouldn't be doing this.

So prove your points if you can. Oh how is that thing about me being banned going? Got that wrong too I see.
post #80 of 80
In Australia we don't even have slingbox, I use Orb Live to stream music, video and live TV from a tuner card over 3G and wireless, the only thing is my ADSL is restricted to 256k uplink and the PC Orb server runs on has to have some pretty serious grunt to convert files on the fly.

It cost less than $30 as well.

I've got 1GB of data on my phone plan then it's 10c a MB, plain and simple.
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