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post #41 of 87
5/14/09 at 10:52am
Methinks Munster really knows better but has gotten caught up in the desktop OS wars. There's alot of hype behind Windows 7 and alot of fanboys(both Windows and OSX) have tried to make too much out of it and forget that Apple has another market now that means more to them than the desktop OS market. This is of course the iphone.

And in case you didn't pick up on it, yes, I labeled Munster as a fanboy.
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post #42 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:00am
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I fully expect Jobs will come out on stage looking like this...

By the time Jobs is no longer able to stand on stage for Apple they will have created an OS (codenamed InfiniteLoop) advanced enough to imitate Steve Jobs.
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post #43 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:01am
I don't think a compass API would be very complicated...
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post #44 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I fully expect Jobs will come out on stage looking like this...

More of that good ole gallows humor... oy!

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post #45 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by FastLaneJB View Post

I think the new iPhone needs to be available for sale the day that all those 2G first day buyers contracts expire. Sure they can roll on for a month but the point is those people are then entiled to upgrade.

If there is no new Apple iPhone to buy they might be tempted to get a new phone that isn't an iPhone. For instance they might get a Palm Pre and change networks.

If it comes out on that day then it's much more likely all those people that queued for the first iPhone will then queue for the 3rd iPhone on launch day. It would be highly in Apple's / AT&T's interests to tie these people up again for 2 more years plus the good publicity of huge launch queues again.

I agree but personally, due to apple tv, regardless of slow sales, the iPhone will never live up to it's potential. Instead of streaming video, hulu, slingbox, myspace, foxeports, MLB, flash, MPEG, xvid, and numerous others, apple fears it will lose sales to rentals.

I think whichever phone has the full on streaming will be the phone that wins. To sidetrack all the questions and lack of video steaming, apple will introduce some rather odd iPhone video ilfe sharing iMovie program. It will work at first, then become a novalty.

The Palm Pre is in the perfect position to take some marketshare. The are aging it well, waiting for the perfect window to launch. The ironic thing us that the iPhone is more than capable to be the media player and more, but like everything apple, a small minority, ie Apple TV, dictates the limits if the phone. Same thing with MacBook, small percent of Pro users would use MacBook for video audio, this no FireWire, low end GPU.

Apple really needs a change at the helm. Their resticted thinking is getting old, especially now in this world wide economy.
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post #46 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by hiimamac View Post

I agree but personally, due to apple tv, regardless of slow sales, the iPhone will never live up to it's potential. Instead of streaming video, hulu, slingbox, myspace, foxeports, MLB, flash, MPEG, xvid, and numerous others, apple fears it will lose sales to rentals.

I think whichever phone has the full on streaming will be the phone that wins. To sidetrack all the questions and lack of video steaming, apple will introduce some rather odd iPhone video ilfe sharing iMovie program. It will work at first, then become a novalty.

The Palm Pre is in the perfect position to take some marketshare. The are aging it well, waiting for the perfect window to launch. The ironic thing us that the iPhone is more than capable to be the media player and more, but like everything apple, a small minority, ie Apple TV, dictates the limits if the phone. Same thing with MacBook, small percent of Pro users would use MacBook for video audio, this no FireWire, low end GPU.

Apple really needs a change at the helm. Their resticted thinking is getting old, especially now in this world wide economy.

Edit. It should read. Thus no FireWire and dedicated GPU. iPhone impossible to edit on forums.
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post #47 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:24am
Oh God I want an announcement at WWDC SO BADLY.

ok, done now. Thanks for letting me get that out there.
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post #48 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:25am
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Edit. It should read. Thus no FireWire and dedicated GPU. iPhone impossible to edit on forums.

You can edit on the iPhone but it could use some refining. The magnifier for selecting text in a large text windows with lots of text is slow, but this may be due to the low RAM. The only real problem I had, which is resolved in v3.0, was quickly removing parts of quoted text I didn't want to add in my reply.
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post #49 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:26am
how about the fact that apple is said they are moving away form these big event type product announcements and doing announcement base on when it make sense and not wait until these predetermine dates.

I person think we will see more and more product specific announcement like we have been seeing on Apple's campus then doing these big hurrays.
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post #50 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by sausage&Onion View Post

Oh God I want an announcement at WWDC SO BADLY.

ok, done now. Thanks for letting me get that out there.

Even with a really cool Snow Leopard demo I still want hardware and I want it to be the next iPhone. I think there will be a lot disappointed people if they don't announce it.
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post #51 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by coasterswim View Post

I don't see any reason they can't announce the new iPhone and have it available the same day. With the original phone, they had to get all the FCC approval and whatnot. Then when they added the 3G capability, they had to do the same thing. If you're just boosting the processor, ram, camera, and storage, I can't imagine that would require a new stamp of approval from the FCC, so they could instantly roll it out.

If they are using HSUPA, which I think is likey, or simply a different radio chip they will still need to get FCC approval. As these radios get smaller and use less power I would expect Apple to use better chips with each revision, even if they offer the same throughput as the previous model.

On top of that, having the devices shipped to the stores the morning of or the day before the announcement could offer too many opportunities for product leaks. Part of Apple's marketing genius is their control of how and when products get announced. It's annoying as hell, but if it wasn't working we wouldn't be here chatting it up.
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post #52 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Even with a really cool Snow Leopard demo I still want hardware and I want it to be the next iPhone. I think there will be a lot disappointed people if they don't announce it.

And of course the stock will plummet briefly. But seriously, how long have we been waiting for a 32GB iPhone? Just let me know its on the way.
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post #53 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:43am
I generally agree with Gruber, but I don't see why Jobs would stop doing keynotes if his health recovers and he returns to Apple. He's great at it, why stop?

So far as WWDC & the iPhone 3.0, yeah, I expect Phil Schiller to make that announcement.
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post #54 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:45am
I think they are both right. iPhone 3.0 will be announced at WWDC and launched at the end of June / early July.
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post #55 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by sausage&Onion View Post

And of course the stock will plummet briefly. But seriously, how long have we been waiting for a 32GB iPhone? Just let me know its on the way.

Of course, yet MS has a major loss for the first time in 23 year and jumps up over 10% the next day. I don't understand the market.

I think 32GB is probably coming. I figured Apple would want to keep the iPod Touch at a higher capacity to make it more appealing when the sales were lower, but now that the Touch will likely be overtaking the iPhone I think that Apple will offer 32GB. Plus, it's been a long time since the devices have gotten a capacity increase.

Will they offer the 8GB model or just the 16GB and 32GB models? Will the 8GB be offered in an "iPhone Lite"-type device?

PS: Apple is getting to an issue with their falsh capacity. The next jump up in typical NAND fashion is 64GB and then 128GB. We can't expect this to happen quickly with such large jumps. I would much prefer for Apple to concatenate to smaller chips, like a 16GB and 32GB into a 48GB model instead of waiting for 64GB chips to get small enough and cheap enough for the device to be viable.
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post #56 of 87
5/14/09 at 11:54am
The expectations are, as usual, getting out of control. 9to5Mac is now suggesting there will be upgrades to the MacBook family. That's in addition to the release of iPhone OS 3.0, a major new version of Snow Leopard and new iPhone/iPod touch with OS 3.0 installed. No way all that is going to happen.

I'm expecting iPhone/touch hardware and the Snow Leopard Developer Preview at WWDC.

We won't see new MacBooks until August/September, the same time frame as Snow Leopard release. Then in October we'll get new iMacs with LED backlighting.
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post #57 of 87
5/14/09 at 12:29pm
Are Wall Street's anal.ysts still allowed to speak ? Why ???
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post #58 of 87
5/14/09 at 12:53pm
Are these guys trying to drive the market with what they "think". That is a suckers bet.

Bloggers are people with opinions of what other people do, and produce nothing physical or tangible but opinions. And you can't eat opinions.

Give me facts. I can work out the rest myself. And I would never trust my money to anyone who is not dealing in facts. This is why I lost almost nothing in the last year.

Ugh.
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post #59 of 87
5/14/09 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Of course, yet MS has a major loss for the first time in 23 year and jumps up over 10% the next day. I don't understand the market.

PS: Apple is getting to an issue with their falsh capacity. The next jump up in typical NAND fashion is 64GB and then 128GB. We can't expect this to happen quickly with such large jumps. I would much prefer for Apple to concatenate to smaller chips, like a 16GB and 32GB into a 48GB model instead of waiting for 64GB chips to get small enough and cheap enough for the device to be viable.

Hardly anyone understands the market. Good news often causes drops and bad news can spur gains and stocks are manipulated with rumors and misinformation.

Does anyone know whether Apple is using two chips or just one in the current models? If it's only one then I doubt we'll ever see a 48GB model.

Until there's a 64GB model I won't be able to load my entire iTunes library so 8GB is enough.
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post #60 of 87
5/14/09 at 1:27pm
No one seems to be thinking there is the following possibility: if they want to pre-empt Palm, get developers ready and get a good release date Apple COULD have a special event ahead of the WWDC to announce the new iPhone and related product.
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post #61 of 87
5/14/09 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

Hardly anyone understands the market. Good news often causes drops and bad news can spur gains and stocks are manipulated with rumors and misinformation.

I certainly don't understand it. Historically, I've done very well at making money from it, but I can't say I understand it, just the companies i invest in.

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Does anyone know whether Apple is using two chips or just one in the current models? If it's only one then I doubt we'll ever see a 48GB model.

One chip, as of now.
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post #62 of 87
5/14/09 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by Marvin42 View Post

No one seems to be thinking there is the following possibility: if they want to pre-empt Palm, get developers ready and get a good release date Apple COULD have a special event ahead of the WWDC to announce the new iPhone and related product.

That's because Apple does not NEED to preempt the Pre. The iPhone already has the dominant position and if Apple starts to react to competitors as if they are scared, people will see this and lose confidence.

Apple knows what they are doing...
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post #63 of 87
5/14/09 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I fully expect Jobs will come out on stage looking like this...

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post #64 of 87
5/14/09 at 1:43pm
How can this guy be so sure.. how can he argue something so offensively with no facts. Lets just wait and see shall we. I don't know who's right... neither do they. That's why smart people are agnostic!
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post #65 of 87
5/14/09 at 1:53pm
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That's because Apple does not NEED to preempt the Pre. The iPhone already has the dominant position and if Apple starts to react to competitors as if they are scared, people will see this and lose confidence.

Apple knows what they are doing...

Its a valid point, but this is not about that. If they did do such a thing and it blew away the Pre before it even left it would be stunningly damaging.

Part of being dominant is what you do to stay that way.
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post #66 of 87
5/14/09 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by iandean View Post

I don't know who's right... neither do they. That's why smart people are agnostic!

And why wise people are monotheistic. But I digress.
iPhone 3.0 will be here in June. I think the wisest perspective is the one that makes note of contracts ending in June, allowing for immediate renewals with 3.0. Too much risk of revenue loss for Apple and AT$T if people defect to other platforms/devices.
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post #67 of 87
5/14/09 at 2:14pm
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How can this guy be so sure.. how can he argue something so offensively with no facts. Lets just wait and see shall we. I don't know who's right... neither do they. That's why smart people are agnostic!

Munster has been wrong more often than he has been right in the past.

He seems like a nice family guy, but a bit on the dumb side and kind of klutzy tho ....

In Windows, a window can be a document, it can be an application, or it can be a window that contains other documents or applications. Theres just no consistency. Its just a big grab bag of monkey...
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post #68 of 87
5/14/09 at 2:18pm
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And why wise people are monotheistic. ...

Dude, you just dissed like a billion people in India, (not to mention the Catholics).
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post #69 of 87
5/14/09 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by Gyokuro View Post

And why wise people are monotheistic

Wise, they may be. But ignorant? Possibly. Note, it certainly doesn't work in the reverse.

Why do people think that people who have owned an iPhone since the day it came out, have received multiple free updates, no doubt have access, at least, to as many apps as touch owners, would not want a better version this year, with all the features they missed out on at 3G?

Never mind that, why would they "jump ship" to another, un-proven platform such as palm (or a traditionally crappy one like winmob) on a different network, just to give it a try?

I think people are misunderestimating the customer satisfaction ratings. Apple's lock-in, if not slightly nefarious, is certainly effective. Once you go iPhone, you don't go back. We'll see.
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post #70 of 87
5/14/09 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Dude, you just dissed like a billion people in India, (not to mention the Catholics).

Deleted post. Completely misread your response..... (embarrass).
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post #71 of 87
5/14/09 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Ok- fine. iPhone -whenever.
Can we please get the iPad announcement by the end of June? Netbooks are flying off shelves and Apple's new iPad would be great now. The iPhone has been getting a lot of negative publicity lately - jailbreaking for restricted Apps, AT&T's choke hold on 3G performance. An iPad, even if not available until 3rd or 4th quarter, would be a great announcement- cause a lot of buzz.

You didn't do your homework Teckstud. Apple will never release the iPad because they would get sued by MadTV. They already did their product release for the Apple iPad, and I am sure they filed a patent for it.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/131515/ipad/
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post #72 of 87
5/14/09 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

I don't believe a GD thing Munster says. In 3 weeks he's going to look like a fool.

I don't believe the other jackass either.
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post #73 of 87
5/14/09 at 3:37pm
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You didn't do your homework Teckstud. Apple will never release the iPad because they would get sued by MadTV. They already did their product release for the Apple iPad, and I am sure they filed a patent for it.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/131515/ipad/

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post #74 of 87
5/14/09 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by pairof9s View Post

All those original iPhones' 2-yr contracts expire at the end of June (at least those that didn't upgrade to 3G). Apple & AT&T would certainly not want these owners to wander over to Pre or whatever because there is no new iPhone hardware to entice them to renew.

I wager at least an announcement at WWDC of new iPhones rather than at a later date.

The phones don't explode when the contract expires. All you rumor mongers assume that you have to buy a new phone when a contract expires, or would for some reason go to another vendor and dump the iPhone (dumb move). I could care less about new iPhones. I have no interest in replacing my 1st gen phone. The phone is more durable than the cheap plastic 3G, and I pay less because I don't have 3G. Edge is fine for me, for the internet and mail usage that I do, and I will benefit from almost all the 3.0 improvements without having to waste money on new phone or higher priced contract. People usually upgraded their phones in the past because they were such pieces of shit, they didn't last two years.
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post #75 of 87
5/14/09 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by SirROM View Post

OTOH, large developers with a special relationship with Apple probably already have access to more complete versions of the beta software and test hardware (such as companies like Tom Tom perhaps?) and have likely already been testing their software on the new iron.

This was common practice on the hardware side in the past. I would tend to agree with you that it would make a lot of sense. Especially for those apps/hardware that Apple believes will push additional 3.0 sales.
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post #76 of 87
5/14/09 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Even with a really cool Snow Leopard demo I still want hardware and I want it to be the next iPhone. I think there will be a lot disappointed people if they don't announce it.

It doesn't matter what is announced at WWDC because most of the whiners here find a reason to bitch and complain and say how everything they announced sucked, even with new hardware announcements. So if they do announce new iPhones, everyone here will say the new phone sucks because Apple forgot to add the Flux Capacitor, or they changed the Home button from a circle to a square. They'll all say it was such a waste and a disappointment. So bring on the crybabies!
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post #77 of 87
5/14/09 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by golakers View Post

I think they are both right. iPhone 3.0 will be announced at WWDC and launched at the end of June / early July.

Where have you been? Living in a hole? iPhone 3.0 was already announced, long ago, with a preview of new features.
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post #78 of 87
5/14/09 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by slcossio View Post

I think it's time for Apple to show the world they can manage without Steve Jobs, to show people that Apple CAN work when Steve Jobs decides to leave, and I think this is a perfect opportunity to do that.

I don't think Jobs is leaving Apple anytime soon, but he's got to start backing up slowly so that the other big shots at Apple know how to run the company later on.

SADLY I THING WE ALL UN-FAIRLY built up steve to much in the past . We set him on such a high pedestal.
It took and takes an incredible well oiled tech team to create all of apple's past incredible devices like the ipod,iphone the mac' .Etc etc
yes steve has an incredible vision. And is he main driving force behind apple's success . but there ARE dozen's of behind the scene's wizards at apple who do the creating.

Steve jobs always wanted to have fun . Fun products that do amazing things . Look at pixar .. look at the shuffle .

If steve does leave for a while to get better . That fantastic team will still be there And any new products have already been lined up yrs in advance. And even at home Steve's input will still be there .

i love steve and he does bring magic to what apple makes . even when it's not so magical . but in truth the apple products right now are so great that a steve-less show would be ok too. i mean at the 15 in uni body pro mac !!!! Un fucking touchable . And my god that app store is a sleeping monster . And don't forget podcasts . There free . And there's a ton's of them. I could name so many more but we ll know them .

i hope and pray that steve gets well soon .
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post #79 of 87
5/14/09 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

Where have you been? Living in a hole? iPhone 3.0 was already announced, long ago, with a preview of new features.

Please let me clarify. iPhone hardware 3.0 will be announced at WWDC with an availability date in late June / early July.
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post #80 of 87
5/14/09 at 5:24pm
you know, i like John's blog and John's comments on RoughlyDrafted, but is AI shilling for John or is this a really really really slow news day that you would give a blogger front page. I dont read anything that indicates John is an expert in any field like DED of RoughlyDrafted is.

But than again, these "analyst" are guessing, anyways.
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