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post #41 of 122
For me, the iPhone just has to be unlocked for international roaming. I have paid twice the "estimated" cost of the phone with excessive roaming charges when I am out of the country.

My old Blackberry was expensive to roam with, but there was still an unlimited international plan available. Now, I'm not even willing to go for that-- I'll go back to what I used to do with my Nokia 770 and tether with bluetooth to a cheap phone before paying for another smart-phone that isn't (economically) functional outside the US!
post #42 of 122
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Originally Posted by dblanch369 View Post

Well, if the rumor is true, then I have a few observations. #1, I already have a $20 iPhone plan, on the original plan. The $30 data plan introduced with the iPhone 3G is *precisely* why I did not buy a 3G. (Apple, AT&T, ya better be paying attention - I'm guessing I'm not the only one) #2 If AT&T continues to be greedy in this regard, and issues a new $20 data plan that is crippled, then I can assure both AT&T and Apple that I will not be buying the next iPhone that comes out in June either. If Apple wants to sell more iPhones, they need to "reign" AT&T in again, and pressure them to quit being so greedy. Don't get me wrong, I think all cell companies are greedy, but sadly we're stuck with AT&T for the moment.

What I'm also curious about is what happens when those of us with 1st gen iPhones' 2-yr contract is up (June 30th +/-), aren't we free to switch carriers, and isn't Apple then forced to allow this?

You're allowed to leave AT&T without paying a contract cancellation penalty, but that doesn't mean you can take your iphone to another cell phone provider.
post #43 of 122
I may be an exception or maybe I'm just older than most iPhone owners but I never make a dent in my monthly minutes, I'm talking 6-8 mins per month. I know you may be asking why do i have an iPhone? It occasionally comes in handy as a phone for me but it is email, safari and several of the included anded apps that keep me satisfied. I could really use a plan with 100 mins per month unlimited data combined for $40 per month. Otherwise my iPhone may become an iPod touch when my contract expires.
post #44 of 122
If Apple wants to increase market share, end the exclusive with AT&T and open up the iPhone to other carriers.
post #45 of 122
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Originally Posted by johnmcboston View Post

And I'm opposite. I'd buy an iphone without a voice plan just to get net access when no wifi is available...

Like the Novatel Mifi device paired with an iPod touch (or any wi-fi capable device).

Verizon's plan for the Mifi is relatively expensive though. Did Sprint announce their subscription pricing for it yet?

And when will the GSM/HSPA version arrive for AT&T?
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post #46 of 122
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Your phone ownership, bill, plan, and views seem to exactly mirror mine!

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With two iPhones (a 2G and a 3G), and a Nokia, our monthly AT&T bill is $165.00 for a 700 minutes plan. I've come to realize that is a lot of money. Reason why we will not have another iPhone in our family.

The high price that one pays for the "luxury" of a having smart phone (I believe it is across the board, Verizon or Sprint may not be much cheaper than AT&T) is driving people away. The once hungry market for these products is rapidly disappearing. I hope and believe that Apple is in a better position than its competitors to address this issue.

ATT like any service provider benefits from economies of scale both in network expansion and decreasing cost per subscriber. ATT needs to bring the cost of ownership down and expand their own market share.

Personally I am getting tired of too many fixed bills: Electricity, gas, water, sewage, cable, phone, internet, cell phones, health insurance, auto insurance, home owner insurance, life/disability, hi property taxes and lousy school system, school fees, etc. At least I do not have car and house loans. Still it is a huge burden. I would like to get an iPhone, but I do not want to add to my bills.

I would like to ditch telephone line, cable and cellphone. Just have internet and use VoIP. Rabbit ears and Youtube for TV. Trying to reduce all those insurance costs.
post #47 of 122
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Originally Posted by crossuab View Post

I thought you could do voice only with the iPhone.

Nope.
post #48 of 122
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Originally Posted by algalli View Post

I would prefer for AT&T to offer a voice only plan for the IPhone. I want a Touch and I need a cell phone and I don't want to carry to devices. I would pay $100 more for the IPhone if I did not have to get the data plan. Think how many Touch buyers AT&T could have signed up if they had such a plan.

Yup. Am am with you on that algalli!! Basically I'd love to have an iPod that I can answer a call on. One device. Exactly. Internet everywhere is nice, but I have no desire to pay $30 for it. I'd be happy to have access if there was wifi around. No data plan would be awesome!
post #49 of 122
If there's going to be a limited data plan, I hope there's a way to turn the data radio off (if there isn't already).

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Originally Posted by iStink View Post

"To attract lower income consumers" - doesn't sound like Apple.

Neither did the affordable iMac and eMac, iBook, iPod, itunes store, video iPod, iPhone, and intel CPUs.

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Originally Posted by dhandler View Post

If Apple wants to increase market share, end the exclusive with AT&T and open up the iPhone to other carriers.

They'd be limited to T-Mobile and their affiliates. The rest of the top 5 is using CDMA.
post #50 of 122
How about them just concentrating on fixing the phone service? It currently sucks. Maybe a 3 out of 10.
post #51 of 122
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Originally Posted by algalli View Post

I would prefer for AT&T to offer a voice only plan for the IPhone. I want a Touch and I need a cell phone and I don't want to carry to devices. I would pay $100 more for the IPhone if I did not have to get the data plan. Think how many Touch buyers AT&T could have signed up if they had such a plan.

The iPhone best feature is the always available internet connection. If you don't require an always available connection then the iPhone is not for you and you are better off with an iPod Touch and a another phone (probably a less expensive choice too). You also have to remember that the iPhone is not competing with the iPod Touch. The iPod Touch is an alternative to the iPhone for people who don't want the data plan (your case).

I think that AT&T should offer lower price limited data plan. My wireless data usage since last August is still less than 1GB (Mainly because I have Wifi access at work and home and no 3G in my area). However, I still want to have data access to get my emails on time and to be able to use Maps and other applications when on the road.
post #52 of 122
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Originally Posted by Sabon View Post

How about them just concentrating on fixing the phone service? It currently sucks. Maybe a 3 out of 10.

That's why I won't leave T-Mobile. In my area I almost never get signal drops. Yet people with iPhones ALWAYS get them!
post #53 of 122
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

The iPhone best feature is the always available internet connection. If you don't require an always available connection then the iPhone is not for you...

Who are you to decide? Everyone's needs are different - hence the problem with the one size fits all plan AT&T offers.
post #54 of 122
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Originally Posted by crossuab View Post

I thought you could do voice only with the iPhone.

AppleInsider reported a week or so ago that you can buy an iPhone from an Apple store without the 2 years contract for the full price of $599 (I think). If this is true, then you can get the iPhone and use it with a voice only plan.
post #55 of 122
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Originally Posted by iStink View Post

"To attract lower income consumers" - doesn't sound like Apple.

I thought the article mischaracterized the appeal of less-pricy plans, as below:

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Originally Posted by davesmall View Post

I have a $70 per month iPhone plan. I was able to opt out of SMS texting which is good because I never use that. The 450 minutes are about 400 more than I need. The telephone is about twelfth or thirteenth on the list of what I use the iPhone for. I like the unlimited data plan but would like for the cost of the voice plan to be cut about 90 percent because I'm being charged for something that I don't need, want, or use much.

Exactly. The only reason I don't own an iPhone is because I'd be forced to buy service I'd never use. Apple and AT&T's untapped market may well be people who'd like to own a good phone but don't need a zillion minutes. The article makes it sound like they'd be going after people who live in trailer parks, and that seems wrong.
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post #56 of 122
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

AppleInsider reported a week or so ago that you can buy an iPhone from an Apple store without the 2 years contract for the full price of $599 (I think). If this is true, then you can get the iPhone and use it with a voice only plan.

I would imagine you could do the reverse and get data only as well for people who wanted that - unless AT&T or T-Mobile don't allow data only. I don't know. Choice is good.
post #57 of 122
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

If you don't require an always available connection then the iPhone is not for you and you are better off with an iPod Touch and a another phone (probably a less expensive choice too).

So what other iPhone feature do I not have to use to disqualify me from getting one? You're missing the point of priorities and compromise, and how some people are willing to forgo certain features to gain others. It's not an all-or-nothing proposition.
post #58 of 122
AT&T shouldn't get a larger market share this way. They should fix up their network. I drop calls every day. How does Apple expect to lead in the Enterprise with a network like this? My iPhone is a toy for me, but if I was some kind of salesman, I would have to get another phone. No one is going to put up with me hanging up on them in mid sentence every few minutes.
post #59 of 122
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Originally Posted by algalli View Post

I would prefer for AT&T to offer a voice only plan for the IPhone. I want a Touch and I need a cell phone and I don't want to carry to devices. I would pay $100 more for the IPhone if I did not have to get the data plan. Think how many Touch buyers AT&T could have signed up if they had such a plan.

So if they decreased their revenue by $700 over the course of the contract, you'd pay $100 more? I'm sure ATT is salivating to make you happy
post #60 of 122
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Originally Posted by skellener View Post

Who are you to decide? Everyone's needs are different - hence the problem with the one size fits all plan AT&T offers.

I was stating my opinion, which is what every iPhone review agree on (based on usability).

What problem are you talking about? The last time I checked, the iPhone sales are very strong.
post #61 of 122
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Originally Posted by Galley View Post

How about a cheaper voice plan? I only use about 100 minutes per month.

I'll give an 'amen' to that.
Give me an plan that lets me use 100/100 voice/data per month with rollover, an application that lets me see exactly where I stand on my minutes, and assurance that I'm always defaulting to wifi, and I'm there.
In fact, how about the ability to just 'charge up' my phone with minutes as I see the need approaching? Nah, that would be like asking the credit card companies to limit interest to 35%

Until then, I'll stick with my touch and a cheapo voice phone.
post #62 of 122
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Originally Posted by Dlux View Post

Yeah, 'cause the whole lower-priced iPod Mini/Nano idea was a complete failure.

Umm, what? Are those meant for low income consumers?
post #63 of 122
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

The iPhone best feature is the always available internet connection. If you don't require an always available connection then the iPhone is not for you and you are better off with an iPod Touch and a another phone (probably a less expensive choice too). You also have to remember that the iPhone is not competing with the iPod Touch. The iPod Touch is an alternative to the iPhone for people who don't want the data plan (your case).
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Nonsense...
The point is that I don't require an 'always on connection'. I need connectivity away from wifi about once a week. I'm almost always within wifi range. I do need voice more frequently and don't really like carrying 2 devices.
And the idea of touch competing with iPhone is also silly. The touch took even Apple by suprise and its on its way to becoming a peer. If it ultimately displaces the iPhone with VOIP, then all the better... no pain to Apple there.

Again, go to a gas tank model and let me decide how many minutes I want to keep charged for voice/data.
post #64 of 122
Well, for $20.00 a month for 3G service data service I wouldn't mind getting the iWunderTablet if it was under contract........for a year anyway.
post #65 of 122
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Originally Posted by Dlux View Post

So what other iPhone feature do I not have to use to disqualify me from getting one? You're missing the point of priorities and compromise, and how some people are willing to forgo certain features to gain others. It's not an all-or-nothing proposition.

Ok, What are the most attractive iPhone features the iPod Touch don't offer (other than the phone)? My point was why pay for something if you don't want/need it? If AT&T and Apple offer the iPhone without a data plan, then I am sure you will pay much more than $199. If money is a real problem for you and you don't want a data plan then why spend $599 for the iPhone while you can get the iPod Touch ($229) and free phone from any carrier?!
post #66 of 122
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Originally Posted by iStink View Post

Umm, what? Are those meant for low income consumers?

Lower cost does not mean catering to 'lower income', just catering to value.
You really think any company cares what the income is of its customers? My $200 is as valuable to Apple as is Warren Buffett's.
post #67 of 122
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Lower cost does not mean catering to 'lower income', just catering to value.
You really think any company cares what the income is of its customers? My $200 is as valuable to Apple as is Warren Buffett's.

You're actually proving my point. Look at the comments I'm replying to. I was saying that it didn't sound like Apple in the statement "to attract lower income consumers" and he mentioned the ipod mini/ nano like apple specifically made those for that very reason.
post #68 of 122
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Nonsense...
The point is that I don't require an 'always on connection'. I need connectivity away from wifi about once a week. I'm almost always within wifi range. I do need voice more frequently and don't really like carrying 2 devices.
And the idea of touch competing with iPhone is also silly. The touch took even Apple by suprise and its on its way to becoming a peer. If it ultimately displaces the iPhone with VOIP, then all the better... no pain to Apple there.

Again, go to a gas tank model and let me decide how many minutes I want to keep charged for voice/data.

You seem to miss the last point in my post where I said it is a good idea to have limited data plan. I don't know who told you that the Touch took Apple by surprise! Everyone knew the iPod touch was going to sell very well.
post #69 of 122
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

If money is a real problem for you and you don't want a data plan then why spend $599 for the iPhone while you can get the iPod Touch ($229) and free phone from any carrier?!

And if you hate AT&T enough and you're geeky enough, you can even setup a wifi access point using your phone so your ipod touch can have internet access
post #70 of 122
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Originally Posted by Sipadan View Post

Since every single one of your posts regarding the iPhone is like a twin to its predecessor, you might consider just copy&paste... never mind being off topic ofc

He would, but considering the iphone doesn't have cut copy paste yet, how would you propose he does that?
post #71 of 122
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Originally Posted by iStink View Post

And if you hate AT&T enough and you're geeky enough, you can even setup a wifi access point using your phone so your ipod touch can have internet access

Since the 3.0 upgrade will open the dock connector to developers, how long do you think before someone develop a dock connector extension to turn the iPod Touch into a phone?
post #72 of 122
The cost of the data plan is not what bothers me. I'd like an iPhone with no voice plan! If they offered that, I'd consider getting one.

And don't tell me that that would be same as a Touch... because it isn't!

Jim
post #73 of 122
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Originally Posted by iStink View Post

"To attract lower income consumers" - doesn't sound like Apple.


actually it's a good idea and a well recognized business strategy

Intel and MS both captured their markets by starting at the very bottom and working their way up. In each case their competitor ruled the high end and lost by not marketing to the bottom end of the market.

you need the bottom end to protect your high end high margin products. not for profit.

the iphone is a hit because it's actually cheaper than a lot of it's competition. not because people think it's worth it paying a premium. the EDGE iphone before the app store was a slow seller and didn't meet sales expectations because it was overpriced
post #74 of 122
A $20 limited data plan and a $99 iPhone would be sweet indeed for us poor folk.
post #75 of 122
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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

A $20 limited data plan and a $99 iPhone would be sweet indeed for us poor folk.

I have no doubt, knowing ATT, that the $20 plan is going to end up costing more than the current plan when all is said and done.
post #76 of 122
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

Intel and MS both captured their markets by starting at the very bottom and working their way up. In each case their competitor ruled the high end and lost by not marketing to the bottom end of the market.

They did? How do you figure?

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I have no doubt, knowing ATT, that the $20 plan is going to end up costing more than the current plan when all is said and done.

It would? How do you figure?
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post #77 of 122
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

actually it's a good idea and a well recognized business strategy

Intel and MS both captured their markets by starting at the very bottom and working their way up. In each case their competitor ruled the high end and lost by not marketing to the bottom end of the market.

you need the bottom end to protect your high end high margin products. not for profit.

the iphone is a hit because it's actually cheaper than a lot of it's competition. not because people think it's worth it paying a premium. the EDGE iphone before the app store was a slow seller and didn't meet sales expectations because it was overpriced

But see, everything you just said is countered with the exact opposite argument when this subject comes up regarding Apple's laptops. People insist if Apple released a main stream affordable macbook, it "wouldn't be a mac." But then again that's a bit more complicated. A 2gb iphone for 100 bucks doesn't sound out of this world I suppose.
post #78 of 122
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Originally Posted by dblanch369 View Post

Well, if the rumor is true, then I have a few observations. #1, I already have a $20 iPhone plan, on the original plan. The $30 data plan introduced with the iPhone 3G is *precisely* why I did not buy a 3G. (Apple, AT&T, ya better be paying attention - I'm guessing I'm not the only one) #2 If AT&T continues to be greedy in this regard, and issues a new $20 data plan that is crippled, then I can assure both AT&T and Apple that I will not be buying the next iPhone that comes out in June either. If Apple wants to sell more iPhones, they need to "reign" AT&T in again, and pressure them to quit being so greedy. Don't get me wrong, I think all cell companies are greedy, but sadly we're stuck with AT&T for the moment.

What I'm also curious about is what happens when those of us with 1st gen iPhones' 2-yr contract is up (June 30th +/-), aren't we free to switch carriers, and isn't Apple then forced to allow this?

I said it before and I'll say it again.

you paid $200 more for the phone. people with 3g pay 10 more a month, over a 2 year contract, so we only pay 40 more than you over the 2 years, but we don't have the up front costs you had. sure it's a little more over 2 years... but people with 1st gen phones who continue to complain about the higher monthly fees associated with the phone but didn't bat an eye when they were rung up for 200 more for the phone are beyond ridiculous.
post #79 of 122
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Originally Posted by Tauron View Post

I have no doubt, knowing ATT, that the $20 plan is going to end up costing more than the current plan when all is said and done.

Just like the cable companies, I'm sure that they'd structure it in such a way that you won't save nearly as much as you should by going to a lower tier. Their goal is always to push you to higher tiers, just as the 'per channel' cost on cable is lower for top end packages than it would be for 'ala carte'. A racket, but what can you do?
post #80 of 122
I think too many people are reading "lower Income" as "low income" - Lower than $100,000 annual income leaves a rather large gap between existing customer and the official poverty level.

In other words - if you target audience is folks who make $40k or more and your surveys indicate that no one making less than $75k is buying your product - then you need to make some kind of adjustment.
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