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I thought the heads up transport controls on QT X did the DVD player thing-- that is, fade from view after a few seconds of inactivity?

You are correct. In addition to the playback controls, which closely resemble those of DVD Player, the title bar (with window controls) is translucent; it too fades away when the mouse is not over the video window.
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post #42 of 112
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When I try to look at the videos on the You Tube page I only get the Finder search refinement one no matter which I click on, so I'm not seeing what you're seeing, but:

I thought the heads up transport controls on QT X did the DVD player thing-- that is, fade from view after a few seconds of inactivity?

In the vid the guy watches the clip of the size 420 by something... The controls overlap a good half of the view and don't fade out, he probably keeps the mouse pointer over them...

They might have found better solution. Why to throw drawers away, for example?

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post #43 of 112
I must really be out of the information loop here but I just installed 10.7 but we are supposed to be awaiting the release of 10.6? What am I missing here?

Ok just ignore me I AM AN IDIOT!!! Just went back and realized I installed 10.5.7 DOH!!!!! I really need to pay more attention.
post #44 of 112
I really like where Snow Leopard is going. The new substitutions is very pleasing.
post #45 of 112
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When I try to look at the videos on the You Tube page I only get the Finder search refinement one no matter which I click on, so I'm not seeing what you're seeing, but:

I thought the heads up transport controls on QT X did the DVD player thing-- that is, fade from view after a few seconds of inactivity?


Ah, I hadn't realized the click-through on the main article still worked, so I can see them all.

And yes, QT X has the transport controls that fade as soon as you move the cursor off, so is having them onscreen really such a distraction?

Or by "pitiable" maybe you meant that small video= small transport controls?
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post #46 of 112
My first ever post on any fanatic site:

Watching these videos gave me pleasure.

One thing I'd like to see in an OS. Example. You click the little red ball to close, say, a Pages window. What happens? Pages prompts you with a question "Do you want to save...?". And then you have to move your mouse pointer all the way to that little prompt window to click on the offered buttons.

What I'd like is to have this little prompt window pop up right where your mouse pointer happens be at the moment! You get that?

I have a 24" iMac (just had to mention it, fanatically) and it's long distance going from that red ball to the center of the screen just to meet those buttons.
post #47 of 112
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Ah, I hadn't realized the click-through on the main article still worked, so I can see them all.

And yes, QT X has the transport controls that fade as soon as you move the cursor off, so is having them onscreen really such a distraction?

Or by "pitiable" maybe you meant that small video= small transport controls?

IMO these in-view controls make QT look absurdly.

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post #48 of 112
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My first ever post on any fanatic site:

Watching these videos gave me pleasure.

One thing I'd like to see in an OS. Example. You click the little red ball to close, say, a Pages window. What happens? Pages prompts you with a question "Do you want to save...?". And then you have to move your mouse pointer all the way to that little prompt window to click on the offered buttons.

What I'd like is to have this little prompt window pop up right where your mouse pointer happens be at the moment! You get that?

I have a 24" iMac (just had to mention it, fanatically) and it's long distance going from that red ball to the center of the screen just to meet those buttons.

Welcome to AI, interesting first post.

One draw back I could see with this idea is that the close button is most likely going to be in the extreme upper left corner, so that any dialogue-- especially one that didn't require you to move your mouse at all-- would be crammed up into very limited space.

I could see putting it somewhere in the vicinity, however, although I imagine that Apple figures that as long as you're going to have to move the cursor some anyway, it's better to go with the standardized, centered on the app window modal dialogue box.
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post #49 of 112
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IMO these in-view controls make QT look absurdly.

How come?

Also, "look absurdly" would mean that the controls cause QT to gaze about in a silly fashion, which I admit is a pleasing thought.
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post #50 of 112
The first two videos are old.
Snow Leopard build 10A261

Then QuickTime Player 10 and Quick Look Videos:
Snow Leopard build 10A286

These videos are old.

OS X 10.6 API freeze comes on the heels of:
Snow Leopard build 10A354
post #51 of 112
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I must really be out of the information loop here but I just installed 10.7 but we are supposed to be awaiting the release of 10.6? What am I missing here?

Ok just ignore me I AM AN IDIOT!!! Just went back and realized I installed 10.5.7 DOH!!!!! I really need to pay more attention.

Heh. I was just going to post that perhaps that was the case.
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post #52 of 112
finally - a decent feature that vista had that apple did well to nick!

the slider to scale the icons is much needed by anyone handling large quantities of image files
post #53 of 112
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finally - a decent feature that vista had that apple did well to nick!

the slider to scale the icons is much needed by anyone handling large quantities of image files

The current finder has had that for a while in the "view option", although I agree that putting the slider in the window is nice.

Does anyone know if SL is allowing for a larger range of size? The video makes it look like you can pump things up a fare bit past what Leopard will do.
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post #54 of 112
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Welcome to AI, interesting first post.

One draw back I could see with this idea is that the close button is most likely going to be in the extreme upper left corner, so that any dialogue-- especially one that didn't require you to move your mouse at all-- would be crammed up into very limited space.

I could see putting it somewhere in the vicinity, however, although I imagine that Apple figures that as long as you're going to have to move the cursor some anyway, it's better to go with the standardized, centered on the app window modal dialogue box.

True. But to me it's also a question of acceleration. When I start the move to meet the buttons in the centre of the screen I'm usually busy and anxious so I tend to miss. Or because of this I have to do it really slowly which might irritate me.

I'm just saying I would find it convenient to have the prompt window right where you are at the moment. This could be a feature that could be handled through settings.
post #55 of 112
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

How come?

Also, "look absurdly" would mean that the controls cause QT to gaze about in a silly fashion, which I admit is a pleasing thought.

Bah... Here you are... The player displays its fashionable controls rather that the content it is intended to... DVD player on the contrary may display the controller in windowed mode...

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post #56 of 112
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True. But to me it's also a question of acceleration. When I start the move to meet the buttons in the centre of the screen I'm usually busy and anxious so I tend to miss. Or because of this I have to do it really slowly which might irritate me.

I'm just saying I would find it convenient to have the prompt window right where you are at the moment. This could be a feature that could be handled through settings.

Well, again, "right where you are" is going to be jammed up into the upper left corner, but perhaps Apple could do something along the lines of the stacks dock item, with a kind of a "though ballon" emerging from the button into usable space.

But that's still going to necessitate at least some mouse movement, and I can't see any way to provide a single click save option without moving off the close button at all. Did you have anything in mind?
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post #57 of 112
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Bah... Here you are... The player displays its fashionable controls rather that the content it is intended to... DVD player on the contrary may display the controller in windowed mode...

1) It looks like you are replying to his joke about your incorrect use of absurdly, an adverb, at the end of a sentence.

2) QT X is not ready. It’s now just gotten stable but it’s missing many features one would expect from a player, including preferences, so it’s possible a seperate controller will come before it’s release for those who want it.
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post #58 of 112
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Bah... Here you are... The player displays its fashionable controls rather that the content it is intended to... DVD player on the contrary may display the controller in windowed mode...

True, but only briefly and exactly in the location where your attention is directed when you need them.

I wasn't sold on the idea at first, myself, but I think the borderless player is far less distracting than the brief appearance of transport controls.

After all, if you're doing a lot of starting and stopping, you're probably not just sitting back to enjoy the video unmolested, and if you are the new scheme actually gives you a more "content-centric" experience.

I guess a floating controller ala DVD Player might be useful, I'm not sure how, though.
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post #59 of 112
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The current finder has had that for a while in the "view option", although I agree that putting the slider in the window is nice.

Actually, Leopard has had the slider in the window since launch, but it's only visible when doing searches.

I'm pretty sure iPhoto had a slider before Vista ever came out and considering most people use iPhoto for viewing pictures, this isn't exactly new (not that you were necessarily implying that it was).
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post #60 of 112
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1) It looks like you are replaying to his joke about your incorrect use of absurdly, an adverb, at the end of a sentence.

I pay little attention to grammar, when I post in forums. There's nothing about it to be proud of, yet it smells a bit like one has nothing to say on the topic when trying to make counterparts be irreproachable English writers.

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2) QT X is not ready. Its now just gotten stable but its missing many features one would expect from a player, including preferences, so its possible a seperate controller will come before its release for those who want it.

I don't believe they would drop their shining idea of fading controls...

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post #61 of 112
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Well, again, "right where you are" is going to be jammed up into the upper left corner, but perhaps Apple could do something along the lines of the stacks dock item, with a kind of a "though ballon" emerging from the button into usable space.

But that's still going to necessitate at least some mouse movement, and I can't see any way to provide a single click save option without moving off the close button at all. Did you have anything in mind?

Hmm... Maybe like a genie effect that would allow the little red ball to "spurt" out the prompt window right next to it...?

Because... When I'm in the situation I can't use my keyboard arrow keys to, say, move from "Save" to "Don't save". Or is there like some trick to this?

But I get your thinking here. Messing around with prompt windows might easily make things worse.
post #62 of 112
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Bah... Here you are... The player displays its fashionable controls rather that the content it is intended to... DVD player on the contrary may display the controller in windowed mode...

If you're just viewing the video and adamant about controls (which fade away) not overlaying the playing video, why not use QuickLook instead?

Personally, I only ever open QuickTime when I need to export an iPod-compatible version of a downloaded video and now that QTX supports intuitive editing, I may use it for that too.
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post #63 of 112
"When performing a search..."

Finally. I don't understand why the default wasn't "This Folder" already, as intuition would lead you to believe.

I also wonder why they can't just add this to Leopard in a point release; it's not complicated.
post #64 of 112
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True, but only briefly and exactly in the location where your attention is directed when you need them.

I wasn't sold on the idea at first, myself, but I think the borderless player is far less distracting than the brief appearance of transport controls.

After all, if you're doing a lot of starting and stopping, you're probably not just sitting back to enjoy the video unmolested, and if you are the new scheme actually gives you a more "content-centric" experience.

I guess a floating controller ala DVD Player might be useful, I'm not sure how, though.

Drawer. And the small "i" in the view, if they want to fade something in and out "so bad".

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If you're just viewing the video and adamant about controls (which fade away) not overlaying the playing video, why not use QuickLook instead?

Personally, I only ever open QuickTime when I need to export an iPod-compatible version of a downloaded video and now that QTX supports intuitive editing, I may use it for that too.

Who are Apple's programmers to know better how I should watch my clips? I'm their client, a customer, you know.

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post #66 of 112
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Because... When I'm in the situation I can't use my keyboard arrow keys to, say, move from "Save" to "Don't save". Or is there like some trick to this?

There is a shortcut.

For starters, the Save button doesn't need to be highlighted. Just hit Enter and it will activate. Generally the Don't Save option is the one that's highlighted around its perimeter. To activate this without mousing over to the button itself, hit Spacebar. Finally, if you want to highlight the Cancel or Save or whatever, hit Tab and it will highlight the different buttons. As before, hit Spacebar to activate the highlighted button.

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post #67 of 112
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Who are Apple's programmers to know better how I should watch my clips? I'm their client, a customer, you know.

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post #68 of 112
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Hmm... Maybe like a genie effect that would allow the little red ball to "spurt" out the prompt window right next to it...?

Because... When I'm in the situation I can't use my keyboard arrow keys to, say, move from "Save" to "Don't save". Or is there like some trick to this?

But I get your thinking here. Messing around with prompt windows might easily make things worse.

Command d chooses "don't save" and closes the dialogue box, "return" does the same for save.

As far as UI changes go, I guess there's always a tradeoff between making things as obvious as possible for someone doing something for the first time, and not unnecessarily complicating things if the learning curve is pretty shallow.

So in the case of a "genie" dialogue box coming from the close button, that actually would make the relationship between closing and needing to save more immediately obvious (which is very Apple like), but at the expense of changing a single behavior in a single instance of modal dialogue boxes, which isn't.

Although, in support of your idea, Apple has as of late seemed more willing to come up with non-standard UI solutions to specific problems, as in the case of the sort of wonky floating help arrows.
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Who are Apple's programmers to know better how I should watch my clips? I'm their client, a customer, you know.

For better or for worse, Apple's motto is not "the customer is always right." Usually it's for the better.
post #70 of 112
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Command d chooses "don't save" and closes the dialogue box, "return" does the same for save.

As far as UI changes go, I guess there's always a tradeoff between making things as obvious as possible for someone doing something for the first time, and not unnecessarily complicating things if the learning curve is pretty shallow.

So in the case of a "genie" dialogue box coming from the close button, that actually would make the relationship between closing and needing to save more immediately obvious (which is very Apple like), but at the expense of changing a single behavior in a single instance of modal dialogue boxes, which isn't.

Although, in support of your idea, Apple has as of late seemed more willing to come up with non-standard UI solutions to specific problems, as in the case of the sort of wonky floating help arrows.

I hear you. Thanks for the "Command d". Now I can forget the whole thing! Though a genie would be sweet!
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If only people who post stuff like this could still be publicly horsewhipped.

I guess this guy really needed to be taught something about right and wrong as a child though and it's probably far too late now.

Edit: at least they appear to have been taken down already.

He's not too bright. If one pays attention, when he shares/save the video from Quicktime, he saves it to his desktop at /Users/canedazan/Desktop/
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I pay little attention to grammar, when I post in forums. There's nothing about it to be proud of, yet it smells a bit like one has nothing to say on the topic when trying to make counterparts be irreproachable English writers.

I noticed it, but I dont care unless about grammar on a tech forum unless it gets made into an issue (usually by someone who is incorrect with their assumption) or it changes the meaning of the post, but it looks like he was simply making a joke about it, not making fun of you for making it.

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I don't believe they would drop their shining idea of fading controls...

My comment was meant to imply dropping the inlaid controls, just adding a different controller for those so inclined. They do with DVD Player.
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post #73 of 112
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Uh, what's with the tampon icon (third down on left)? What does that do?


That's Apple's new iPad

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post #74 of 112
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For better or for worse, Apple's motto is not "the customer is always right." Usually it's for the better.

I saw someone promised Apple new breed of customers today. Brave PC overclockers. We're not scared by discharged batteries anymore.

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I noticed it, but I dont care unless about grammar on a tech forum unless it gets made into an issue (usually by someone who is incorrect with their assumption) or it changes the meaning of the post, but it looks like he was simply making a joke about it, not making fun of you for making it.

Big deal! Glad to entertain. NP.

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My comment was meant to imply dropping the inlaid controls, just adding a different controller for those so inclined. They do with DVD Player.

Would appreciate.

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post #76 of 112
Looks good enough for prime time. Wouldn't be surprised if it is released at WWDC.
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I noticed it, but I don’t care unless about grammar on a tech forum unless it gets made into an issue (usually by someone who is incorrect with their assumption) or it changes the meaning of the post, but it looks like he was simply making a joke about it, not making fun of you for making it.

Yes, of course! That's why I added the "although that would be pleasing", on account of the joking!
Please to not be taking offense!


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My comment was meant to imply dropping the inlaid controls, just adding a different controller for those so inclined. They do with DVD Player.

A preference for either "old school" controllers (unlikely; Apple usually doesn't hang back on this kind of UI change) or a floating controller ala DVD Player are possibilities, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Just seems like a lot of complexity just to keep transport controls off the screen for a second. Although, if they did do it, it might be cool to do "tear off" controls that could be dragged from the video window to wherever.

As far as Apple dictating my viewing options, they already do that by obliging me to watch non-full screen video in a heavy little player frame-- or, if I use Quick Look, with persistent transport controls.

I guess it would be nice if Apple offered every possible UI choice at every junction, but we know that's not going to happen.
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I've enjoyed these.

Yes ..it breaks a potential NDA but these are just small touches that won't even be covered at WWDC most likely.

Doesn't this guy open himself up to legal consequences for posting these videos?

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Doesn't this guy open himself up to legal consequences for posting these videos?

I would have thought.
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Doesn't this guy open himself up to legal consequences for posting these videos?

Probably not. I doubt he has a ADC membership. He's probably downloaded SL illegally.
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