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You don't manufacture in America anymore (on the flipside of the argument) because paying unionized workers is getting to be too expensive (and has been too expensive for years.) Everyone wants benefits, coverage for everything, etc., better hours, better pay. You name it. Unions are fine, but the attitude of the American worker in this climate of I-want-it-now purchases, credit abuse, and an unwillngness to wait until one can afford said luxury item has all contributed to shipping jobs overseas.

It's almost unheard of to drive an older car, or not have that top-end LCD or Plasma in the superstore Window. Coddling and more-pay-for-less-effort is the game in North America. Just look at what Auto Workers' Unions have done to the industry.

In Japan, for instance, it's all about a rice-bowl. And most of them have learned to live with it, accept it, and value other things besides collecting as many material things as possible. You get twice, three times the productivity with a fraction of the expectation. And they seem to actually give a damn about what they produce. And they're by far the healthiest nation on the planet, to boot. And for wahtever reasons, Asian cultures in general are far better at saving than their North American counterparts. The average Canadian and American family has virtually no savings, most of their lives are leased and mortgaged out. The debt collection business in North America is booming, and has been for some time now. I've been a part of that biz for years, and there's no shortage of work in that area.

There is this colossal sense of entitlement that seems to have pervaded the American workforce over the last 25 years: "i want benefits, I want dental, I want maternity leave, personal days, I want x amount of vacation hours, I want etc., etc!!"

Now we're all paying for it.

The problem really comes down to North American values and mentality when it comes to work and posessions. They stink.

The PS3 is made in china.
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Just research the Japanese diet (most of it still isn't Westernized) and the cancer rates in Japan. In Okinawa, for example, there is no such thing as a mammogram. Hardly any cancer.

The traditional Japanese kitchen is unsurpassed in terms of the healthful foods used.

Barring certain cultures and tribes in remote areas, the Japanese are the longest-lived industrialized people on Earth.

Most medical conditions aren't reported in japan.

People are afraid to go to the doctor because for the most part the doctors won't tell you if something is really wrong.

Nothing life threatening such as cancer, anyway.

Don't get me wrong, Japan is our favorite country and we would move there as soon as the opportunity presented itself. I was there in the Navy, on Honshu, and loved it. The people are very real and honest. Only in Japan can you leave your wallet in a phone booth and have someone come 3 hours all the way to my navy base to return it, with no cash missing, but your statement is uninformed, I must point out.
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They sell a lot of cigarettes in Japan. Tribes in remote area don't usually have a very long life expectancy.

From WHO
http://www.wpro.who.int/media_centre...s_20020528.htm

About 51% of men smoke in Japan - this figure has dropped from the 1980s, but it is still very high for a developed nation.
Prevalence of smoking among women, once considered almost taboo, has risen dramatically in the last decade to nearly 10%.
Japan's Finance Ministry is a major shareholder in Japan Tobacco, a multinational.
A survey in the early 1990s found that 44% of male physicians smoke in Japan.
With 500,000 cigarette vending machines, the young can easily buy cigarettes.
It's estimated that about one in eight deaths is due to smoking, (about 100,000 deaths a year). Smoking may also contribute to four of the five leading causes of death.
Lung cancer is the leading cancer, with more than 50,000 deaths a year.
More Japanese men die of lung cancer than suicide. The rate of lung cancer deaths is 46 per 100,000 people while the suicide rate is 30 per 100,000.
Japan has some of the weakest anti-tobacco laws for a developed nation, with few smoke-free public areas.

The cigarettes they sell have charcoal filters about a half inch thick. It's like smoking paper and they all taste the same. The only thing with flavor is Gudang Garum's commonly known as clove cigarettes. They are also the only thing without those filters.
post #44 of 87
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If I just witnessed a large percentage of coworkers laid off, yet I was still employed by the same company, I would work extra hard out of gratitude for even having a job still.

"Oh, thank you for hitting me on the head with a hammer most honorable boss! Please hit me again! I am so grateful that you continue to employ me that these blows to my body are completely forgivable and acceptable!"

post #45 of 87
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Here's the most recent fromt the WHO. Japan and San Marino are tops.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...8xWBwD98AOR2O5


http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm

Japan ranks near the highest. I guuss you were looking at a similar list.

http://web-japan.org/trends/lifestyle/lif031121.html

And again.

I don't pull random things out of the air around here.

Actually I was basing my remarks on this web page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

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post #46 of 87
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Originally Posted by lightstriker View Post

Yeah,when china does what Japand did, Lee Iaccoca will raise from his grave and tell everyone to Buy American. Maybe American should never have started globalization.

At least Apple hasnt moved to the Cayman Islands.

Lee! Hey, Lee! What are you doing, taking a snooze in that grave? Reports of your passing are being greatly exaggerated.

Tomorrow, we'll have Congress pass a law banning globalization. The day after, we'll get them to repeal gravity.

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post #47 of 87
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It started with "Most Favored Nation" trading status given to China back in the 70's and continued through the Bush Administration. This despite the blatant failure of the Chinese government to enforce copyright and patin protections as well as their human rights abuses, currency manipulation, and closed markets.

The problem for China, and they are paying for it now, is that when the US consumer market dwindles they do not have enough of a native consumer market to keep their economy stabilized. To solve this they are going to have to make more of an effort to increase their middle class, which means increasing pay. This in turn means losing jobs to other countries as their labor costs rise.

well i do wish for a level playing field for american workers
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post #48 of 87
gudang garams are Indonesian.

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The cigarettes they sell have charcoal filters about a half inch thick. It's like smoking paper and they all taste the same. The only thing with flavor is Gudang Garum's commonly known as clove cigarettes. They are also the only thing without those filters.

Nokia and other phone makers make a lot more phones in China than Apple does, so why are Apple singled out?
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post #49 of 87
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Yeah,when china does what Japand did, Lee Iaccoca will raise from his grave and tell everyone to Buy American. Maybe American should never have started globalization.

At least Apple hasnt moved to the Cayman Islands.

Lee! Hey, Lee! What are you doing, taking a snooze in that grave? Reports of your passing are being greatly exaggerated.

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post #50 of 87
explains the poor quality of the iPhone 3G
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post #51 of 87
This is another issue I would like to have Apple focus on:

- - - The "conflict minerals" tin (cassiterite), tantalum (coltan or columbite-tantalite), and tungsten (wolframite) are moved from Congo to East Asia where they are processed into valuable metals needed for electronics products. This link between armed groups and the illicit mineral trade was also documented by a United Nations panel of experts in December 2008. - - -

Maybe Apple could make history in yet another field and start producing the world's first Fair Trade computer. I would pay more to have a better conscience.

There are kids being raped and all at the moment as they fight for the resources that are put into our pockets and desktops to provide us with fresh geekgasms.
post #52 of 87
For every phone Apple made last year Nokia made forty...

...again, why single out Apple?

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This is another issue I would like to have Apple focus on:

- - - The "conflict minerals" tin (cassiterite), tantalum (coltan or columbite-tantalite), and tungsten (wolframite) are moved from Congo to East Asia where they are processed into valuable metals needed for electronics products. This link between armed groups and the illicit mineral trade was also documented by a United Nations panel of experts in December 2008. - - -

Maybe Apple could make history in yet another field and start producing the world's first Fair Trade computer. I would pay more to have a better conscience.

There are kids being raped and all at the moment as they fight for the resources that are put into our pockets and desktops to provide us with fresh geekgasms.
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post #53 of 87
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Apple appears to be reacting in similar fashion to the newest charges. Although the iPhone maker said it doesn't comment on its internal supplier relationships, spokeswoman Jill Tan made clear that Apple regularly audits all of its suppliers and that it would force any contractor to take "corrective actions" if they were found breaching Apple's code of conduct.


We want a copy of Apple's code of conduct. Given the high price of iPhones, and Apple's unusual profit margins, are we paying for the billion dollar stock options or decent work conditions for Chinese workers?

Apple is a decent company, is it not???


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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

For every phone Apple made last year Nokia made forty...

...again, why single out Apple?

Not singling anyone out. But I would enjoy seeing Apple take the first step. As they are good at taking first steps.
post #55 of 87
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Here's the most recent fromt the WHO. Japan and San Marino are tops.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...8xWBwD98AOR2O5


http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm

Japan ranks near the highest. I guuss you were looking at a similar list.

http://web-japan.org/trends/lifestyle/lif031121.html

And again.

I don't pull random things out of the air around here.

The one problem with that is that Japan has no fish left and it's boats have to go a long way to get any. If everyone in the world had the Japanese diet there'd be no fish left in the world.
post #56 of 87
Hey, things can't be that bad - they've got enough money to buy a MacBook Pro. <bada bump>

Thank you, folks! I'll be here all weekend. Shows at 9 and 11.
post #57 of 87
I have enjoyed this discussion. Article is about worker abuse in Taiwan and you guys are debating the Japanese Diet ( food diet, not national congress) and cigarette consumption. That's the American way guys, curve the debate into something that has nothing to do with the issue.
post #58 of 87
The biggest step anyone can take is recycling to get all their old phones out of drawers and cupboards and back into the system, Apple has a recycling program in place does it not?

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Not singling anyone out. But I would enjoy seeing Apple take the first step. As they are good at taking first steps.
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post #59 of 87
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I'm really sick of having everything made in China. Apple is a US company. I think their products should be made in the US. Let China develop their own brands and design their own products, like Japan does. China's contract industries have a really bad reputation for cheating and underhanded business practices. And I certainly don't trust their government.

I have several Chinese friends here in the US and many of them say the same thing about China.

But the blame isn't all theirs. The greed of many US corporations has forced everyone to send manufacturing jobs to China in order to stay competitive. It is a downward spiral that will be difficult to reverse.

Not really a matter of greed of the US corporations, more of a matter of greed of the US consumer and the greed of China, they keep their labor costs low in order to bring the jobs to them. If they were to move the jobs to the US to manufacture these computers, we will once again see the days of $10,000 computers. US corporations are taxed in this country at a rate of 43%, the US government, by mandate of the voters has essentially taxed the corporations out of this country, the government and citizens seem to think that large corporations are just Giant piggybanks for everyone to hold their hands out to. US corporations have to move offshore in order to survive, not to get rich. This global economy is dependant upon ALL parties involved, there is plenty of blame to go on EVERYONE for situations such as this.
post #60 of 87
>> But we, as consumers are also at fault, since we voraciously consume these products, which in turn makes them feel justified in these practices in order to sate our appetites and their own slave labour subsidized pockets.

As consumers, our job is to consume products that give us the best value. Luckily, most consumers do not specifically value products that have the same national origin as themselves, and thus globalism works.

Now, economics is a science of big picture thinking. So we need to ask: are those employees better off than they were without those jobs? Since those jobs are optional (and aren't subsidized by the public), we can say yes.

Win-win-win for all people involved.
post #61 of 87
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The biggest step anyone can take is recycling to get all their old phones out of drawers and cupboards and back into the system, Apple has a recycling program in place does it not?

But are these conflict minerals recyclable? What is Apple actually recycling? I suppose aluminum if nothing else.
post #62 of 87
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The PS3 is made in china.

Ok. What were you trying to say with this?
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Ok. What were you trying to say with this?

My point is that no one is immune to the promise of cheap labour to increase profit margins.

Before they sent their manufacturing to China, their products used to be made in Malaysia. The first run, such as my 60GB (Just updated to 500GB) is made in Japan, by Japanese workers, and then they send it out to the slave labour camps of other countries with more lax labour laws.

This is not new and Japan as a business model is not a good example.

That is my point.
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"Oh, thank you for hitting me on the head with a hammer most honorable boss! Please hit me again! I am so grateful that you continue to employ me that these blows to my body are completely forgivable and acceptable!"


Haven't we learned anything from Kathy Lee Gifford?
Al Gore on the Board of Directors should have some clout stopping this. Human rights should be the top priority in manufacturing Apple products even more so than delivering environmental friendly products.
post #65 of 87
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Originally Posted by 801 View Post

I have enjoyed this discussion. Article is about worker abuse in Taiwan and you guys are debating the Japanese Diet ( food diet, not national congress) and cigarette consumption. That's the American way guys, curve the debate into something that has nothing to do with the issue.

Look, these workers aren't being treated fairly, but if Nero went back in time and changed Captain Kirk's life so dramatically, then is every star trek movie previously made just suddenly meaningless!? I'm pretty sure there was a movie with Spok and his mom. I mean, CMON!
post #66 of 87
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My point is that no one is immune to the promise of cheap labour to increase profit margins.

Before they sent their manufacturing to China, their products used to be made in Malaysia. The first run, such as my 60GB (Just updated to 500GB) is made in Japan, by Japanese workers, and then they send it out to the slave labour camps of other countries with more lax labour laws.

This is not new and Japan as a business model is not a good example.

That is my point.

True.
post #67 of 87
Like it or not, this is what Wintek has to say. I also provided the link to Wintek's official statement.

http://www.wintek.com.tw/News_Show.asp?no=0000615

Announce Date : 2009/05/22

Taichung, Taiwan, May 22, 2009-With regard to the recent labor issues concerning the Wintek Group, here is our statement.

Certain persons or groups have taken advantage of this situation to make unfounded allegations against the Company which has caused severe injury to our reputation, and also affected the efforts of a law¡Vabiding company to contribute to economy and to create jobs for labors. Wintek understands your concern about the circumstances behind these reports and would like to take this opportunity to explain the relevant facts, our position and how the situation was handled by Wintek.

During the year 2008, the financial tsunami and economic downturn had a serious effect on almost every industry. Due to the impact of the economy on our sales and profit, Wintek losses in year 2008 reached NT$ 2.406 billion. Therefore, Wintek took steps to lower costs and reduce cash outflow. Before implementing unpaid administrative leave in Taiwan, signed permission was obtained from individual personnel and salaries were kept at minimum wage or above levels. With regard to personnel reductions, the severance pay and advance pay were calculated in accordance with the Labor Standards Law so the process fully complied with legal requirements in Taiwan. As for Dongguan, orders in the first quarter were quite unstable, production assignments were out of balance and incoming materials were not arriving on time. Due to this situation, we submitted an application to the Dongguan City Labor Bureau according to the local regulations to shift to a general work time system. This application was approved by the government authority and the employee representative meeting, commenced from March 1, 2009 to July 31, 2009. Based on this approved work system, overtime pay at Dongguan Masstop for holidays was calculated at a rate of 1.5 times of the standard pay rate. Employees became concerned that the change affected their overtime income. Following negotiation, management recognized the contribution and effort of employees and decided to reinstate the 2 times overtime pay rate for holidays since March salaries.

Though these labor matters were handled by the Wintek Group in full accordance with the laws and regulations, certain labor groups in Taiwan not only ignored our efforts to streamline our organization to overcome the economic downturn but actively encouraged and called on dismissed workers to ask to be reinstated to the jobs or seek benefits outside of those provided under the laws and regulations. After conducting a series of negotiations, labors, management and the representative of the certain labor group all agreed to reinstate some of the dismissed personnel (pregnant women and personnel who were close to qualifying for retirement) on April 27. After that Wintek had fulfilled the agreement to process all the related steps, hoping to take our responsibility to end the dispute. But certain individuals and groups have been keeping on breaking the agreement after claiming for it. During the negotiation period, certain individuals and groups (not Wintek employees) had made unfounded accusations against the company to government authorities. After conducting on-site investigations into the allegations, the authorities including Taichung County Government, Taichung Branch of Export Processing Zone Administration, MOEA, Council Of Labor Affairs, Executive Yuan , Taoyuan County Government found there was no basis to these claims. These certain persons then attempted to work with other labor groups to make false allegations against Wintek to our valuable customers or suppliers to harm our reputation and affect the normal business activities of a law-abiding company. Even after reaching the agreement, certain individuals and groups kept releasing unfounded allegations on Internet and held a series of illegal protest attempting to confuse people. In order to defend the reputation and rights of Wintek, our company has sued the people in question for defamation and the case is currently being tried by the local judicatory.

The current rush orders have only helped to cushion the impact of the declining economy. The global economy has still yet to recover. In the first quarter of 2009, Wintek losses totaled NT$1.17 billion. However touch panel and new TFT products that we have jointly developed with major international firms are now entering the mass production phase. The administrative leave that was instituted in December of last year will end in June. As new products and new orders are introduced to the production lines that were originally shut down, there may be positions that needed to be filled. Because Wintek values their experience, those personnel who departed previously will be given priority consideration when there are future personnel requirements. Certain labor groups intentionally ignore the government authorities findings that Wintek has fully complied with the law, and continue to make false allegations to the government and major international firms that Wintek has engaged in unlawful behavior in order to damage Wintek¡¦s reputation and discourage multinational corporations from placing orders with Wintek. Certain labor groups have even claimed the profits of multinational corporations result from the exploitation of Asian labor. If there is any disruption to the business of Wintek or other Taiwanese companies, it will seriously affect the ability of law-abiding companies and the country to contribute to the economy, By further reducing the work opportunities that are available to people, certain labor groups are acting contrary to the interests of workers. These actions will do nothing to improve labor rights and only have an adverse effect on law -abiding companies and the overall economy.

The business activities of each company in the Wintek Group are conducted in accordance with local laws and regulations. Our commitments to our customers and suppliers are honored and various kinds of employee welfare are provided so both labor and management share in the benefits. The Wintek Group also takes care to fulfill its various social and environmental responsibilities. We expect people and related organizations can understand the fact rather than being confused by certain individuals who are trying to harm a law-abiding company with false allegations that pretends to be a protection of labor rights. We would like to thank you for your concern and understanding regarding this issue and hope that you can continue to support Wintek.

Spokesperson: Susie Lee
Tel¡G04-25318899 ext¡G21588
E-mail¡G ir@wintek.com.tw
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Haven't we learned anything from Kathy Lee Gifford?
Al Gore on the Board of Directors should have some clout stopping this. Human rights should be the top priority in manufacturing Apple products even more so than delivering environmental friendly products.

Agreed.

The counter argument would be that this is what allows the products we consume to be so inexpensive.

My argument has always been if people do not have the jobs created by making the products then they cannot afford to buy said products anyway, but that logic escapes most.

Then there is the tariffs charged for importing the products back into the United States that we elect to defer, something that is ironically not done when we import what few products we do manufacture into those respective countries.

There is also the tax break we provided the US companies sending business to other countries, that cuts into the tax revenue we would receive, which would greatly lessen our deficit (The Federal Reserve being a international group of robber barons not withstanding) and a corporation being a very large taxable entity.

And I fathom I should not even mention the quality, or lack thereof, of the products we receive from said countries (Wal-Mart's cheap products that last about one use before having to be replaced?)

All of this couples into the fact owners and executives are over compensated for what little they actually put into the running and well being of these companies, as we have seen in the last decade, and thus for them the aspect of a few heathens making a pittance and being mistreated so they can make a little more by over charging us for cheap garbage (any PC would solidify that outlook) and consumers being happy to be oblivious to these peoples suffering and you see this is not an easily solved issue.

And Al Gore is a grand hypocrite as well. His "Truth" lectures were just to prime us for the carbon credits one of his companies will be selling, which is still a long way from solving the actual issue or forcing us to actually create clean self sustaining energy.

Do not trust any politician. It is an in crowd that stopped listening to the populous long ago........
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Human rights should be the top priority in manufacturing Apple products even more so than delivering environmental friendly products.

It is really hard to push the western standard of "human rights" into other countries. What I mean is that working AT LEAST 60 hrs a week with very minimal overtime fees (if any) is perfectly normal over there, which unlike over here is considered as something abusive.

Why? The reality is that there are so many competitions in China and Taiwan that manufactures electronic products for those BIG NAMES (such as Apple, HP, etc). The suppliers and the manufacturers in China and Taiwan are willing to slash their price at the cost of profit margin just to win the contract from other competitors.
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It is really hard to push the western standard of "human rights" into other countries. What I mean is that working AT LEAST 60 hrs a week with very minimal overtime fees (if any) is perfectly normal over there, which unlike over here is considered as something abusive.

Why? The reality is that there are so many competitions in China and Taiwan that manufactures electronic products for those BIG NAMES (such as Apple, HP, etc). The suppliers and the manufacturers in China and Taiwan are willing to slash their price at the cost of profit margin just to win the contract from other competitors.

This is true.

Not everyone values what the Western world values. That's a very broad statement, but it's true.
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U.S. Corporations sought-out cheap labor to make more money for their investors. That's why the U.S. makes nothing.

The consumers (deaf, dumb, and blind) buy what's cheap and do not, for a moment, consider where "IT" was made, or how poor a life the assembler may have.

When "IT" breaks, or when the buyer has to deal with off-shored support, the tinker-toy structure of our economy begins to emerge.

Greedy at the top in every nation get rich. In the US, we get snazzy pablum with touch-screens. IN Taiwan and the PRC, they get screwed and pissed.

The United States is still the top manufacturer in the world, just because you can't buy it at Wal-Mart does not mean nothing is made here.

A lot of consumer products are made elsewhere, but most Durable Goods are manufactured in the US.

What is manufactured most in the US?

Automobiles (even the "foreign" ones)
Components for said Automobile manufacturing
Appliances (GE, Whirlpool, Maytag, KitchenAid....)
Aircraft
nearly all building supplies
Manufacturing Equipment (the machines that make the stuff in other countries)
Medicine
Medical Equipment
Household Chemicals (P&G, Johnson Wax)
Construction Equipment
Anything Military related (tons of this stuff)
just to name a few....

More people every year are "replaced" by technology than by outsourcing.
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I have enjoyed this discussion. Article is about worker abuse in Taiwan and you guys are debating the Japanese Diet ( food diet, not national congress) and cigarette consumption. That's the American way guys, curve the debate into something that has nothing to do with the issue.

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I have enjoyed this discussion. Article is about worker abuse in Taiwan and you guys are debating the Japanese Diet ( food diet, not national congress) and cigarette consumption. That's the American way guys, curve the debate into something that has nothing to do with the issue.

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Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post

Not really a matter of greed of the US corporations, more of a matter of greed of the US consumer and the greed of China, they keep their labor costs low in order to bring the jobs to them. If they were to move the jobs to the US to manufacture these computers, we will once again see the days of $10,000 computers. US corporations are taxed in this country at a rate of 43%, the US government, by mandate of the voters has essentially taxed the corporations out of this country, the government and citizens seem to think that large corporations are just Giant piggybanks for everyone to hold their hands out to. US corporations have to move offshore in order to survive, not to get rich. This global economy is dependant upon ALL parties involved, there is plenty of blame to go on EVERYONE for situations such as this.

Excellent post.

I totally agree. I jokingly blame my brother for this whole economic recession since he was in the mortgage brokering business selling interest only financing to people who did not really qualify to purchase any house let alone the big houses they were buying. Hence the housing price bubble. Now days it requires a two income family to even afford to buy a house so the kids have to go off to day care where a minimum wage illiterate immigrant teaches them how to behave. The US is doomed.

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Excellent post.

I totally agree. I jokingly blame my brother for this whole economic recession since he was in the mortgage brokering business selling interest only financing to people who did not really qualify to purchase any house let alone the big houses they were buying. Hence the housing price bubble. Now days it requires a two income family to even afford to buy a house so the kids have to go off to day care where a minimum wage illiterate immigrant teaches them how to behave. The US is doomed.

I'm not to the point of Doom and gloom yet, the market will correct itself as long as the government lets it. What I'm afraid of now is the Knee jerk legislation being passed left and right currently, capping CEO salaries only guarantee's you will get a CEO with as much experience as the Pizza guy. In order to get the right people in charge they need be compensated for that, without competition there is no quality.

Cap and trade will most certainly put us into a depression, you do not artificailly put a stranglehold on companies struggling to sustain viability. Upping the MPG requirements on automakers struggling to survive will guarantee their demise. When will people realize CO2 is not a polutant, it is fertalizer. We cannot fight on two fronts right now, straighten out the economy, THEN worry about the Environment, both will get done quicker if not done at the same time. The vast majority of Greenhouse Gas in the atmosphere is in fact Water Vapor 70-80% due to the fact that 3/4 of the planet is covered in water.
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Give them all free iPods. Problem solved.*





















*In all seriousness, I'm quite sure Apple will do something about this, not jut for PR's sake but in terms of ethics and the general push to improve working conditions. Although the economy being what it is, Apple is only partially responsible here.


Right, right. Apple is in biz for humanitarian reason.
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"Oh, thank you for hitting me on the head with a hammer most honorable boss! Please hit me again! I am so grateful that you continue to employ me that these blows to my body are completely forgivable and acceptable!"


Interesting. I must have missed the part in the article that mentioned these employees where being physically abused. Or maybe you personally know someone who works within this factory?

I'm referring to this article, not your stereotypical beliefs of what it's like to work in a foreign country. I don't in any way condone verbal or physical abuse to employees, or anyone else for that matter. I do, however, have absolutely no sympathy for people who gripe and moan about their situation but do nothing to improve it and I hardly consider protesting in front of your employer with the crème de la crème of notebooks sympathetic either. Some you argue that if they quit they will starve. If that's the case, maybe they should be buying food instead of expensive computers.

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But staying with that employer is! Can't find better work? Educate/Better yourself to allow yourself better opportunities!

The ignorance is just... mind blowing.
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The ignorance is just... mind blowing.

I love how you back that up.
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I love how you back that up.

Why should I? You haven't. There are no facts in your comments, just right wing ignorant opinions. If you believe that everyone in the World has the same abilities and rights as you then you really need to pick up a good newspaper and read.
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