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Hoping to spur take up of smartphones at a time when subscribers are very sensitive to price, AT&T has signaled that it's willing to give these devices, including the iPhone, lower data rates in exchange for limits on usage.

The carrier's wireless chief, Ralph de la Vega, remarked this week at the Reuters Global Technology Summit that he could see AT&T setting a cap on the amount of data used in a given month in return for a lower fee. One example, though not necessarily what AT&T would use, is the company's netbook strategy: while the mini notebooks still have access to the usual 5GB monthly data plan, subscribers can pay $20 less per month if they're willing to put the cap at 200MB before overage fees kick in.

iPhones were mentioned by the executive as possibly affected by any switch in strategy but that it wasn't Apple's device alone that would prompt demand. Instead, smartphone adoption in a difficult climate was the important concern.

"Right now we continue to study what is the best thing that is available, not just from an iPhone point of view, but what you can do to stimulate additional demand," de la Vega said.

The news echoes rumors that, among other things, AT&T may offer a $20 iPhone data plan that would save customers $10 a month but put a ceiling on data access.

De la Vega ruled out simply cutting the price without restrictions on Internet use, however. AT&T recently declared itself the leader in smartphones and has steadily become more reliant on data as a source of income. The provider's goal is to make money on services, he said, and with the iPhone's price already being heavily subsidized, dropping the price would only hurt AT&T's bottom line.

Such a strategy would be unique in the United States but isn't uncharacteristic of carriers in other nations such as Belgium or Canada, where more bandwidth is used as a lure to step up to more expensive plans.
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That is quite a spread. $30 for unlimited (5GB) --OR-- $20 for 200MB (+ overage fees)

My guess is that the vast majority of people would fall somewhere inbetween meaning that this option is (a) useless or (b) going to cause people to be paranoid about using data and therefore have a more negative smartphone experience or (c) end up paying more with overage charges.
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AT&T needs to build a much faster network to begin with, instead of nickle and dime upgrades.

We were just at Edge (2.5G), then 3G and now 4G is coming.

Despite how much I love Apple, I'm not buying a new iPhone every year, sorry.

Just build a 100G network and sell the extra bandwidth.

Done.
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What about cutting down the minutes of the call plans? I barely use 100 minutes a months, there is more than 4000 minutes rolled over from my last year and they expire as I really don't use them. I would welcome 200 minute voice plan plus unlimited data. With family plan for 2 phones I just pay for the service not needed. I wait until my 2 years are over and switch to prepaid if nothing changes.
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I would like to know how much a webpage data (filesize) the average iphone/smartphone uses and does it cache or reload on a refresh. Size DOES matter.
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What about cutting down the minutes of the call plans? I barely use 100 minutes a months, there is more than 4000 minutes rolled over from my last year and they expire as I really don't use them. I would welcome 200 minute voice plan plus unlimited data. With family plan for 2 phones I just pay for the service not needed. I wait until my 2 years are over and switch to prepaid if nothing changes.

I'm similar in my usage patterns. I would prefer that there was no distinction between voice data messaging etc, it is all just bandwidth. They should charge just like ISPs.

edit: I mean ISP like in commercial broadband I pay x per meg of data used

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i'm getting really close to not continuing my iPhone in June ($100/month)...I have the first gen. iPhone but am considering going back to my ATT free regular phone and only checking my email on my desktop once in the AM and once in the PM and saving $40-$50/month!

Or replace my iMac with next gen. MBA and a 24" monitor to have the MBA for travel.
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screw AT&T, Apple should give them a little competition and sell the iPhone through Sprint or Verizon.

AT&T claimed to not provide tethering on the iPhone because a computer should have a different 3G plan. Yet they claim that they didn't want SlingPlayer on their 3G network because they consider the iPhone as a computer even though, the SlingPlayer app is available on other AT&T phones.

Which one is it now? Is the iPhone a cell-phone or a computer? AT&T seems to be constantly re-categorizing the iPhone to fill their pockets.

A little competition will surely set that straight.
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screw AT&T, Apple should give them a little competition and sell the iPhone through Sprint or Verizon.


at this point they can't. contract and all that. not to mention the issue of not all carriers use GSM and Apple's not likely to waste the time and money on making a CDMA supporting model of the phone.

however, if ATT has any smarts they are going to do something with the rates or risk losing folks when they can legally move companies. I actually like the idea of a low use data plan for those that are more often on wifi for checking email and such. Toss in the old free 200 messages text plan from iphone1 and knock unlimited down to $10-15 and they could have something worth sticking with while they deal with coverage and such
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That is quite a spread. $30 for unlimited (5GB) --OR-- $20 for 200MB (+ overage fees)

My guess is that the vast majority of people would fall somewhere inbetween meaning that this option is (a) useless or (b) going to cause people to be paranoid about using data and therefore have a more negative smartphone experience or (c) end up paying more with overage charges.

That's because the incremental data do not cost ATT hardly anything. Thus, ATT is only willing to give up a tiny bit of the profit when the data usage goes way down. Allowing a lower usage plan only loses ATT revenue, it doesn't reduce costs at all.
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What about cutting down the minutes of the call plans? I barely use 100 minutes a months, there is more than 4000 minutes rolled over from my last year and they expire as I really don't use them. I would welcome 200 minute voice plan plus unlimited data. With family plan for 2 phones I just pay for the service not needed. I wait until my 2 years are over and switch to prepaid if nothing changes.

Would you be willing to take 75% less minutes for 25% less price? Because that's the only way ATT would do it.
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Bad for AT&T and pretty good for me. My phone sits on WiFi 80% of the time, At work and at home, not to mention how terrible and slow AT&T 3G service is and am in a great coverage area, but if it goes like 200MB for $20 & $30 ill stick with the unlimited. $20 for 500MB of super slow AT&T 3G seems fair though.
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If 5 GB is $40, then $20 should buy 2.5 GB or at least 1GB...I am just jealous as I use about 250 MB/Mo...I need the cap to be higher than 200
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screw AT&T, Apple should give them a little competition and sell the iPhone through Sprint or Verizon.

AT&T claimed to not provide tethering on the iPhone because a computer should have a different 3G plan. Yet they claim that they didn't want SlingPlayer on their 3G network because they consider the iPhone as a computer even though, the SlingPlayer app is available on other AT&T phones.

Which one is it now? Is the iPhone a cell-phone or a computer? AT&T seems to be constantly re-categorizing the iPhone to fill their pockets.

A little competition will surely set that straight.

You are mixing some stuff here. AT&T has partnered with Apple so you cant just buy a cellphone anymore and tether it to your PC without the carriers knowledge. There was no software built into the iPhone to allow it the earlier and current versions of iPhone OS X. With version 3.0 there will be the ability to tether your iPhone, I do it all the time but it will surely be locked up before launch and will require you to pay extra for tethering. Id guess about $30/month more to equal the current $60/month unlimited data plan AT&T sells for PC connections. This will save me money eveery month.

The other thing about whether the iPhone is a phone or a computer is silly. Its both. And dont be daft and say that it cant be both. Cellphones have not evolved very quickly since the release of the iPhone and their new wording (which is still poorly worded) covers the iPhone and every other smartphone they sell and will sell in the future. The networks are much faster, the phone HW much more powerful and the software more capable that they are using a lot more data than every before. Now that the iPhone has made it mandatory that a smartphone cant just be business or geek gadget, but must have media capabilities, streaming video is a must. Before I had tethering I used 3-10GB a month on my iPhone, now Im used over 80GB last month.

You can say that you paid for unlimited data so you can do whatever the hell you want with it, but you also would have signed a contract stating that you wont do certain things. The alternative for AT&T is to actually use the 5GB soft cap (which theyve never enforced on me) or to simply charge a lot more for the data assuming you are going to use it out of contract anyway.
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I'm similar in my usage patterns. I would prefer that there was no distinction between voice data messaging etc, it is all just bandwidth. They should charge just like ISPs.

edit: I mean ISP like in commercial broadband I pay x per meg of data used

There is a strong case to justify voice as premium pricing...QoS If a packet or two drop when loading a web page, you spend a few microseconds waiting on a retransmit, if those packets are dropped on voice calls, you get some gargling at best, or a drop at worst, so you are paying for a much higher level of priority for voice data.
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If 5 GB is $40, then $20 should buy 2.5 GB or at least 1GB...I am just jealous as I use about 250 MB/Mo...I need the cap to be higher than 200

The total price to get you the data doesnt work that way, but the price-to-data is definitely off. They want to get you to buy the larger data packages.

PS: Personally, I think it would be a good marketing tool to offer a sliding scale for data, SMS and phone packages which allow you to start with a lower package, but if you go over it, it merely bumps you up to the next tier pricing, not the outrageous overage fees that have parents being charged tens-of-thousands of dollars because they didnt get the $15 unlimited SMS package on their kids phone. However, if you go over you are automatically kept in that tier the following month and thy could charge you a small fee for having to bump your plan up. They could easily run the numbers to make the tiers divides as much in their favour a possible to see where people use the most. This kind of thing would certainly make me interested in a carrier knowing that the most Ill pay in a month is the unlimited everything plan.
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There is a strong case to justify voice as premium pricing...QoS If a packet or two drop when loading a web page, you spend a few microseconds waiting on a retransmit, if those packets are dropped on voice calls, you get some gargling at best, or a drop at worst, so you are paying for a much higher level of priority for voice data.

And the cost of data is different between a type of wired service and a type of wireless service. We certainly cant expect to pay less for cell data simply because its slower data than FIOS.
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There is a strong case to justify voice as premium pricing...QoS If a packet or two drop when loading a web page, you spend a few microseconds waiting on a retransmit, if those packets are dropped on voice calls, you get some gargling at best, or a drop at worst, so you are paying for a much higher level of priority for voice data.

I do a fair amount of international work where we use SKYPE so I know what is sounds like when the throughput is borderline but I can tolerate the voice drop out especially since cells connections drop all the time anyway and in that case you have to redial where on IP you just have to repeat what you said.

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This is a good step since it shows AT&T is willing to work something out with the ocassional data users such as myself. I might actually upgrade from 1st gen iPhone now. However, most sites have large images that's going to eat up a lot of this 200MB limit fast so they need to bump that up some. The popular sites will have something like 40-60 images piggybacked per page. If all they give is 200MB cap, then there better be provisions that stops accessing data once they reach that limit.
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If they could make a special plan for me I'd take about 200 minutes with about 1 GB of data per month for around $30-$40. But the world doesn't revolve around me so I guess it doesn't matter.

I don't really make a lot of phone calls because of AT&T's crappy coverage. I actually use mine more for the internet than anything else. And I mean internet where there isn't WiFi available so no, an iPod Touch wouldn't be a better solution.

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If they could make a special plan for me I'd take about 200 minutes with about 1 GB of data per month for around $30-$40. But the world doesn't revolve around me so I guess it doesn't matter.

I don't really make a lot of phone calls because of AT&T's crappy coverage. I actually use mine more for the internet than anything else. And I mean internet where there isn't WiFi available so no, an iPod Touch wouldn't be a better solution.

Sing me up for that low minute plan. I use so many minutes that If could pay for just a data plan and zero plan minutess with each one costing their max Id probably make out.
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Sing me up for that low minute plan. I use so many minutes that If could pay for just a data plan and zero plan minutess with each one costing their max Id probably make out.

Too bad I couldn't roll my minutes over to you. I only have 1920 minutes off a 200 minute plan. Gotta love the rollover feature!

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Too bad I couldn't roll my minutes over to you. I only have 1920 minutes off a 200 minute plan. Gotta love the rollover feature!

I think I have abotu 50% more than you, so Im fine, though when I got the iPhone 3G and signed up for the new plan they removed all my rollover minutes. I called and they gave me a whole bunch of minutes and a rebate off that month, which was nice.
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I just hoping for a low minute plan with a decent amount data. Or at least let people choose a low minute plan with the data plan they need and not lock them into a special data plan just because of the amount of minutes they chose. I think the more flexibility they give customers, the more apt current iPhone customers will be willing to stay and I think it will also help bring in new iPhone customers as well.

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post #25 of 54
I don't know about you guys, but I'm really tired of AT&T's lies...

One look at their March 09 quarter balance sheet tells me that reducing the price of their unlimited plan is NOT going to seriously impact their bottom line. They are not hurting for money. The capped plan is just more BS.

Someone needs to tell that f^&khead at AT&T he ain't foolin nobody.
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That is quite a spread. $30 for unlimited (5GB) --OR-- $20 for 200MB (+ overage fees)

My guess is that the vast majority of people would fall somewhere inbetween meaning that this option is (a) useless or (b) going to cause people to be paranoid about using data and therefore have a more negative smartphone experience or (c) end up paying more with overage charges.

For some unknown reason, my current stat clocks in at about 280MB total, and I don't remember what I did with that data. I'm not actually out of a WiFi zone (home or work) for very much of a given day, and the very short commutes are just playing audio. The 200MB figure might be good for someone that doesn't use any data at all.

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at this point they can't. contract and all that. not to mention the issue of not all carriers use GSM and Apple's not likely to waste the time and money on making a CDMA supporting model of the phone.

Contracts, corporate politics and carriers notwithstanding, if they could get one out, I bet they would easily be able to sell over a million CDMA iPhones a year. Even if it's only a tenth that of GSM models by quantity, that has to be way more than high enough of a volume to make the development and production highly profitable. The reality is that global number of CDMA users are about 1/4th the number of global GSM users, so a tenth is just a low ball figure in my part to point out the potential volume.

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There is a strong case to justify voice as premium pricing...QoS If a packet or two drop when loading a web page, you spend a few microseconds waiting on a retransmit, if those packets are dropped on voice calls, you get some gargling at best, or a drop at worst, so you are paying for a much higher level of priority for voice data.

I don't know of that packet prioritization really costs much money as a percentage of the costs needed to serve a given user, but I can see it being a consideration. I think the problem is that cellular companies have so much of their business model riding on the money voice service brings, they can't afford to give it away as part of their data plan so people can just use 3G data for $30 and nothing else. If anything, you would probably get an option for a $100-something a month for unlimited everything for one device.
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i'm getting really close to not continuing my iPhone in June ($100/month)...I have the first gen. iPhone but am considering going back to my ATT free regular phone and only checking my email on my desktop once in the AM and once in the PM and saving $40-$50/month!

Or replace my iMac with next gen. MBA and a 24" monitor to have the MBA for travel.

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That is quite a spread. $30 for unlimited (5GB) --OR-- $20 for 200MB (+ overage fees)

My guess is that the vast majority of people would fall somewhere inbetween meaning that this option is (a) useless or (b) going to cause people to be paranoid about using data and therefore have a more negative smartphone experience or (c) end up paying more with overage charges.

Notice that there's no $10 option for text messages between 200 ($5) and 1500 ($15). AT&T is no stranger to stupid tiered pricing.
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i'm getting really close to not continuing my iPhone in June ($100/month)...I have the first gen. iPhone but am considering going back to my ATT free regular phone and only checking my email on my desktop once in the AM and once in the PM and saving $40-$50/month!

Or replace my iMac with next gen. MBA and a 24" monitor to have the MBA for travel.


I got a pay as I go phone, it uses AT&T networks for voice, the phone only cost $30, it's slim and fits comfortably in my pants pocket. Since I don't talk all that much on it, I only use $10-$20 a month. Lose the phone or it breaks, no big deal. Haven't yet in three years, *knocks on wood*

If I'm going to yack it up, I'll jump on VOIP on my home internet for $24 a month.

MacBook Pro for anything else. Kids PS3 for games if need be, first person shooter fix.

So I only spend $34-$44 a month for voice and near unlimited data/internet.

Top iPhone apps are games, silly small games. For $100 a month and no broadband, AT&T hobbled using 3G for Wifi.

Different strokes for different folks naturally.
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The honest thing to do is to charge customers for what they use and only what they use.

All else is just a gimmick to take advantage of people.

You should only be charged for the minutes you use and the data you use. Period!

Charging people an outrageous amount of money for going "over their" minutes is criminal. It's called entrapment.
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Apple is just taking the laid back approach to gaining market share. I never thought the exclusive deals made any sense. Advances is chip set design make it relatively simple to have iPhones with different radio technology... including CDMA. This tech is 20-25% of the 3G subs.

Verizon caters to hi end customers, including corporate plans and family plans. There is a hi switching cost for them to change carriers. It is a market that should not have been ignored.

Implementing CDMA with 1X and EVDO tech is not that complicated since entire chip sets come pre packaged. The tech actually more stable than UMTS. With EVDO separate a separate data channel (1.25 MHz) channel is used. So hi data transmission rates do not affect quality of voice which can be a problem for the 3G that ATT uses. The CDMA tech uses synch transmission and narrower bandwidth so the battery consumption tend to be lower than UMTS tech that ATT uses.

Again, Apple has never been about mass market.
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True but that's not what they are "really" setting out to do.

I can NOT believe this TRAP.

This is all a ploy to get the iPhone ready for teethering.
Why bother trying to police the usage and teethering of your iPhone when you can just add a cap to the all things Apple. First it's the cap in the phone, then out comes teethering followed by a new Apple DATA device.

If anyone thinks AT&T is doing us a favor, THINK again.

This is nothing but a ploy to get more if your money, not less. No favors here.

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The honest thing to do is to charge customers for what they use and only what they use.

All else is just a gimmick to take advantage of people.

You should only be charged for the minutes you use and the data you use. Period!

Charging people an outrageous amount of money for going "over their" minutes is criminal. It's called entrapment.
post #33 of 54
here is the SIMPLE way to do it. which of course they won't


set your lower caped data point be it 200MB or 5GB

and when that is went over, you get charged the $20 (or whatever it is) but you then become an unlimited user for the month, a text or email is sent to you and you are made aware of that fact.

One caveat would be that if the overage is 5, 3, 2 days before the end of the month, the unlimited use rolls over for that one single month.

the user wins, if they start using their device more than they thought.

the company wins because they are far more likely to get MORE users to use MORE data, because its pretty fair.

they can ADVERTISE their monthly data plans at the lower price, because THAT IS what it costs, but they can sell those unlimited months on the side.

its a gateways system the telcos should love it, but they are too blind to see the simplicity of it

although, if Jobs has AT&Ts ear, don't be surprised to see something as simple as this popping up!



I don't know every last detail of every telco, so maybe, just maybe, its possible that this system is already run somewhere, but i doubt it.
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There is a strong case to justify voice as premium pricing...QoS If a packet or two drop when loading a web page, you spend a few microseconds waiting on a retransmit, if those packets are dropped on voice calls, you get some gargling at best, or a drop at worst, so you are paying for a much higher level of priority for voice data.

This is a new one on me. Normally, at least in Europe, QoS is in regards to the data speed not packet lose. I to not think any operator in their right mind would offer this kind of QoS as so many unforseen things can affect the quality of the data while a properly built and managed network and for the most part assure a reasonable data speed.
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The reality is that global number of CDMA users are about 1/4th the number of global GSM users, so a tenth is just a low ball figure in my part to point out the potential volume.

Source?
Wikipedia says 13% market share for CDMA.

The exclusivity agreement with AT&T reduces the number of possible CDMA customers even further for some years to come.
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Voice is another form of data. The problem is we the customer don't mind being fleeced by the carriers. Why are we paying so much for data? I read somewhere that it works out to be something like $1000 per MB for text messaging.
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Wikipedia says 13% market share for CDMA.

The exclusivity agreement with AT&T reduces the number of possible CDMA customers even further for some years to come.

It would help if you left in the user name and post info when quoting so people know who you are responding to.

The referenced document that was the source of that stat is no longer available.

My information was a little bit older than I thought, the numbers do fluctuate a lot every year.

Supposedly there are 450 million CDMA subscribers:
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/31509.php

Supposedly 2.5 Billion GSM subscribers:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/2-5-B...rs-56848.shtml

So we're still talking roughly one in five. So I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think that more than 1 in 10 iPhones might be sold as CDMA if available. It might seem a small proportion, but it still computes to a staggering number of devices, more plenty enough to make development and mass production worthwhile, assuming the other hurdles that I mentioned weren't a problem. Apple made a statement of targeting 1% of the total phone market, 1% of CDMA subscribers is 4.5 million.

The US doesn't account for half the CDMA market either. The biggest at something like 45% last I saw, but far from the only one.
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Originally Posted by jocknerd View Post

Voice is another form of data. The problem is we the customer don't mind being fleeced by the carriers. Why are we paying so much for data?

Of course its data, but its a different kind of data. Its like saying that the $15 you spend for 700MB of data on a CD should be a lot less because you an buy a DVD with 8500MB for under $10 in bin at Walmart. When you get an email QoS is not important because a momentary pause in the data stream is not going to affect the content once its DLed, but voice is realtime and needs to be sent so that both parties can get be heard as quickly as possible and in the right order to move the conversation along. An email or a website can receive a packet out of order and simply just request a missed or corrupted packet again. You can even set up home routers with basic QoS and port forwarding so realtime apps work a little better, like WoW or Skype.
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Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

i'm getting really close to not continuing my iPhone in June ($100/month)...I have the first gen. iPhone but am considering going back to my ATT free regular phone and only checking my email on my desktop once in the AM and once in the PM and saving $40-$50/month!

Or replace my iMac with next gen. MBA and a 24" monitor to have the MBA for travel.

Just curious, if you close out the AT&T account are you able to still use the device like an iPod Touch?
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