Microsoft says Zune HD is real, will get multi-touch - Page 5

anyone seriously think HD radio is more important than apps??

if the Zilch HD had apps to offer, MS would be talking big about them now you can be sure. hype is their stock and trade. they're not. it don't. there are hacks to run some basic apps on the Zune now, but nothing anywhere near the same universe of what the 2008 Touch can do. Thanks to MS' great engineering, the Win CE Zune cannot run WinMobile apps, old or new, despite the common OS ancestry.

(btw, when i can't get wifi web radio - i like AOL's app which includes song info like HD radio and local news stations, but there are other services like Pandora too - i just play my own lists, like everyone else. local OTA radio music is garbage these days for anyone over 14 years old or who doesn't want to hear the same "classics" from whatever decade over and over and over.)

as to the 2009 Touch, it is very reasonable to anticipate significant upgrades already proven in the current iPhone, since they do share the same OS. which will go to 3.0 in a few week with all the new app capabilities already announced, none of which the Zilch can match. 720p file support for the upcoming 2009 iPhone is widely anticipated, we'll see in two weeks. adding the iPhone's GPS and upcoming compass to the Touch makes total sense. so would a camera. hardly a wild guess.

oh, and if you want to watch TV instead of just hear HD radio, can the Zilch HD do that? un-uh. but my Touch's SlingPlayer Mobile sure does - today.

sorry guys, the Zilch HD is already an obsolete dud months before it even goes on sale.

It had nothing to do with cost. Schools wanted the all-in-one design for durability. They didn't care for the pivoting LCD. The eMac was never intended for the public, hence the E in eMac. Apple later decided to offer it to the public.

ugh, you're still missing my point. Tech-dud made another retarded comment, this time about how Apple was among the last to drop CRT monitors. I corrected him by pointing out that Apple introduced standard LCD panels in their iMac lineup in Jan-2002 (over 7 years ago). What they continued to sell on the side to the education market is irrelevant. They adopted the LCD technology at an early enough stage.

Wikipedia is not a valid resource for any information, especially since they don't have any pricing history.

Download Mactracker or visit www.apple-history.com. The original iMac G3 was priced at $1,299, and the original iMac G4 was priced at $1,299. iMac (Bondi Blue) was released in 1998 for $1,299. The iMac G4 (Flat Panel) was released in 2002 for $1,299. There were three models available: $1,299, $1,499, and $1,799. The previous iMac G3 (Summer 2001) was priced at $999, $1,299, and $1,499. So your wiki reference was made by some guy that is talking out of his ass. The last iMac G4 (15" USB 2.0) was still priced at $1,299.

So you say the previous G3 sold for $999, while the new g4 sold for $1299? And i say "the LCD iMacs were unable to match the low price point of the previous iMac G3s, largely because of the higher cost of the LCD technology at the time."

Thanks for proving my point.

But you missed the point in which Apple brought the eMac to the masses, and then was made fun of after claiming the "death of the CRT." Apple continued to sell the eMac everywhere for three more years.

The base model was $999. Take a look at the other two models. I proved my point. The LCD did not increase the price above the prior iMac G3 since they both had two models at the same price. The $999 iMac had much lower specs and didn't match the iMac G4. The mid and upper iMac G3 were closer matches.

btw, the Touch's 3:2 3.5" touchscreen's area is about 25% larger than the Zilch HD's 16.9 3.3" touchscreen's area. almost the same width (in landscape mode), but that much taller. and for anything visual, but especially games, size matters.

In the CRT G3:
$999 for a 500MHz CPU
$1,299 for a 600MHz CPU
$1,499 for a 700MHZ CPU

In the LCD G4:
*$1,299 for a 700MHz CPU w/ CD burner
$1,499 for a 700MHZ CPU w/ combo drive
$1,799 for a 800MHz CPU w/ superdrive

The $999 model had the 500MHz G3, 128MB RAM and a 20GB HDD. The other two models came with double the RAM of the $999 model and had a 40GB and 60GB HDD, respectively.

The LCD G4 had the newer, faster processor, the same amount of RAM as the higher-end CRT G3s, and similar sized HDDs. The LCDs brought more expensive optical drives and the option for an 800MHz model.

If you start with the CPU and then compare with as identical components from the 6 months prior there is a price drop for the increased performance and technology.

The discontinuing of a 500 and 600MHz iMac does not constitute a dramatic price increase or an increased price in LCD panels, merely a starting price hike which is not uncommon for Apple, though the outcries on the forum would make you think it was the first the time theyd ever done such a thing.

I would love to see new ipods come out a month after the zune hd with major upgrades.

just to watch the huge wave of buyer's remorse after realizing their month old technology just got outdated

just hypothetical, but still amusing

FM Radio was patented. Also, if I'm not mistaken, it required licensing to encourage broad adoption. Multitouch can thrive independently without such support.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Howard_Armstrong

And to say Apple has seen the reward and that they'll continue to do just fine even if others use it...sounds a little too socialist for my liking. Who's to say that they've seen enough reward and now it's time to share? I say let it be dictated by current patent regulations.

I know it's been covered before, but basically, if Microsoft uses a standard accounting method (reporting revenues up front as opposed to spread out over an extended period of time) they will be legally required to charge for their software updates as well (few and far between they may be)

I just got this from M$:

Exploring Windows: Special Beta Edition -- Correction

Because you signed up to test the Windows 7 Beta, we recently sent you mail about the expiration dates for the Beta and Release Candidate. Unfortunately, we made a mistake.

We said the Beta would start shutting down every two hours on June 1, 2009. The correct date is July 1, 2009.


The rest of the dates in the mail were correct. Heres a quick summary:
Version:
Starts shutting down every two hours:
Expires:
Beta
July 1, 2009
August 1, 2009
Release Candidate
March 1, 2010
June 1, 2010


We apologize for the error and any confusion it may have caused.

Thanks again for helping us test Windows 7.

Microsoft Development Team

....

ROFL, what are they thinking, Windoze shutting down every two hours, isn't that normal?

If Apple's iPhone/iPod Touch display was deficient or people complained, then indeed OLED would be needed. OLED is only appropriate if it's batter savings countered its expense.

Talking to my friends that are contrarian to the iPod/iPhone platform, the are all holding out to buy the Palm Pre when it comes out. I don't know where MS's Zune fits in the marketplace...

you may have heard of Apple's 'back to school' promotion announced yesterday. buy any Mac, get a $229 touch free - through Sept 8. which is almost the same as last year's, when Apple then rolled out the new 2008 touch later that month. so expect the same timing for the 2009 touch announcement, to come this September.

Nah. I think point is they would never swap Windows for Mac experience. Gamers being first obvious group, but one could probably scrap a few more categories.

Mac experience - nice as it is - is still not as widespread as Windows experience, and there are still much more people gaming than garage-banding, IMHO.

I like Pre features and screen looks decent - whatever it is. I don't need best screen on the market; I need good overall device. My final decision to buy (or not to buy) Pre/iPhone/... will be based on whole package, not just one cosmetic feature like OLED screen. In fact, multiple web apps (on very nice looking screen) still look very enticing, compared to single app on OLED screen.

And your point is..?

Since when is 27 people a "huge wave"?

You're right... The App-ability of the Touch is superior at this point. I'm sure MS will make a good run at it though.

However, after reading about the new Palm Pre... if they only offered a non-phone option, as the iPod Touch - that would be very enticing. Also being a Palm PDA owner, I think I would jump right on a non-phone Pre. There are many, many apps for the Palm, and what's nice, is they allow for some geeking (unlike Apple, which likes to lock down and control everything).

Aaah, a non-phone Pre.... now that would be sweet!

If I remember correctly, Windows CE was developed into Pocket PC, which was developed into Windows Mobile...

Oh no, it's not Windows Mobile.

It's an illegitimate child of the grand-daddy of Windows Mobile!

Windows CE is the foundation of several operating systems, including Windows Mobile.