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Poll Results: When is the United States going to recover from Democratic Rule?

Poll expired: Jun 8, 2009  
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    2010
  • 16% (1)
    2012
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    2016
  • 33% (2)
    Never
  • 50% (3)
    When the Chinese cut up our credit card
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post #241 of 261
The liberal, big government, government can do anything, never met a government program we didn't like model city?
post #242 of 261
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Obama goes from post-partisan to most polarizing president in the first year.

Obama and Democratic leaders have not legislated from the middle. They have attempted to enact or have enacted measures after measure with no bipartisan support, no even bipartisan input. When rebuked, but it by the public at the ballot box, the polls in terms of support or by the Supreme Court in terms of rulings, instead of examining what they are doing for being inclusive, they become more determined than ever to pass extremist agenda.

President Obama reacted to the loss in Mass. by proposing massive reregulation of the markets and the announcement of those intention sent the dow down 5.2% in three days.


The more the pushback occurs with these Democrats, the more extreme their agenda becomes.

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post #243 of 261
A. It is!

Job losses have gone progressively down to now were there are almost none and GDP growth for the fourth quarter was 5.7%, as iPoster points out.

All this tallies up nicely that Dems are better for the economy than repubs and will guarantee Obama's second term.
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post #244 of 261
This recession is not over until we start consistently adding jobs.

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post #245 of 261
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This recession is not over until we start consistently adding jobs.

You have to stop the bleeding first. Job gains are next.
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post #246 of 261
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Speaking about something we could do that would add jobs, add a valuable market commodity back into our economy, would improve our trade balance and lastly might stop us from having to borrow a couple more trillion dollars, there is that lack of action with regard to taking advantage of our own oil reserves.

Bloomberg


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Restrictions on oil and gas drilling will cost the U.S. economy $2.36 trillion through 2029, according to a study requested by state utility regulators and paid for in part by industry-sponsored groups.

Drilling restrictions in Alaskas Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and off the U.S. coastline are blocking access to about nine years worth of U.S. oil and gas consumption, according to the report. Among sponsors are the National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners and the industry-funded Gas Technology Institute, of Des Plaines, Illinois.

Former President George W. Bush and Congress ended bans in 2008 on drilling along the U.S. coastline. The Interior Department hasnt acted to open the newly available areas, including offshore Alaska and on the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Congress has kept the Arctic refuge off limits.

It is crazy utopian thought processes that are keeping these resources and jobs unavailable. Borrowing from China to pay for extended unemployment insurance won't change that fact. In fact most of the green jobs supposedly being created by Obama are, as is par for the course under Democratic administrations, going overseas.

When will it stop? Hopefully 2010.

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post #247 of 261
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Remember when Democrats were going to "drain that swamp" of Congressional corruption?

Turns out what they really meant is that they would ignore and not demand Rangel quit for an array of problems.

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The committee has yet to rule on charges that Rangel failed to pay taxes on a Dominican villa, hid $500,000 in income and had a sweetheart deal on four rent-controlled apartments.

I guess we can chin up and say at least he didn't hide it in his freezer.

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post #248 of 261
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Remember when that Patriot Act was a terrible, terrible thing that President Bush was using to rip up that piece of paper called the Constitution.

I don't either because it is all good now that a D is signing the paper.

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Obama's signature comes after the House voted 315 to 97 Thursday to extend the measure.

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post #249 of 261
Well, apparently that article was indeed poorly written. Way to link to one of those trumpet. I take it back. Obama is wrong to have signed the extension and congress was wrong to have passed it. What do you want Trumpet? The Patrioct Act sucks balls but if you are asking for liberals to call for Obama's impeachment, it wasn't just the Patriot act that made people want to impeach Bush. It was really over the illegal invasion of Iraq and for war crimes done under his watch.

If Obama ever illegally invades a country with some sort of "preemptive" strike after having lied to the nation repeatedly about the reasons for the invasion, I will call for his impeachment just as strongly as I called for Bush's.

But, it's not all good. Obama is still the much lesser of two evils. Though if he continues down this path, that margin will diminish.

 

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post #250 of 261
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Well, apparently that article was indeed poorly written. Way to link to one of those trumpet. I take it back. Obama is wrong to have signed the extension and congress was wrong to have passed it. What do you want Trumpet? The Patrioct Act sucks balls but if you are asking for liberals to call for Obama's impeachment, it wasn't just the Patriot act that made people want to impeach Bush. It was really over the illegal invasion of Iraq and for war crimes done under his watch.

If Obama ever illegally invades a country with some sort of "preemptive" strike after having lied to the nation repeatedly about the reasons for the invasion, I will call for his impeachment just as strongly as I called for Bush's.

But, it's not all good. Obama is still the much lesser of two evils. Though if he continues down this path, that margin will diminish.

Isn't it wonderful how in all these replies the goalposts keep moving.

How is doubling down in Afghanistan not the same thing? I forgot but he closed Guantanamo Bay, oh wait he didn't. Oh but he needs more time to fix the Bush mess, oh wait, he blew past his own timeline for it. But he's bringing the troops home someday..... soon.... and by bringing them home, we mean mostly leaving them in Iraq and sending the ones who leave off somewhere else.

When does the hypocrisy stop?!? The defense budget is bigger. The troop levels are higher. The man is extending the same provisions that had everyone screaming that Bush had declared the Constitution was just a goddamn piece of paper, and all is good and well.

What line does Obama have to cross before he stops being the anti-war candidate and starts to be the President extending the Patriot Act while running two wars (and growing the budgets and troop levels for them.) We know it's hard to feel outraged because the networks are no longer suing to show coffins because now they no longer want to show them, but still, at least pretend people cared before about these points.

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post #251 of 261
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And the hits just keep on coming....

The bluer the state, the worse the fiscal condition.

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post #252 of 261
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CBO: A decade of trillion dollar deficits...

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President Barack Obama's budget will lead to deficits averaging nearly $1 trillion over the next decade, the CBO estimated Friday.

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) said President Barack Obama's budget would lead to annual deficits averaging nearly $1 trillion for the next decade.

The estimates are for larger deficits than the budget shortfalls expected by the White House.

Annual deficits under Obama’s budget plan would be about $976 billion from 2011 through 2020, according to a CBO analysis of Obama's plan released Friday.

The Obama administration estimated its policies would lead to an average annual budget shortfall of $853 billion for the next 10 years.

The difference is that Obama’s estimate expects more tax revenue.

The independent CBO and Obama expect a similar amount of government spending over the next 10 years -- about $45 trillion. But the CBO expects Obama's policies to bring in $35.5 trillion in tax receipts, less than the $37.3 trillion expected by the White House.

CBO expects fewer tax revenues largely because it expects less economic growth than the White House over the next decade.

Don't worry though, clearly the CBO is just the party of no, hates your kids, doesn't like brown people, is full of bigots, has no good ideas, and doesn't understand that we have to do SOMETHING. Finally CBO is just a cold hearted meanie who hates it's fellow human beings.

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post #253 of 261
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Bloomberg

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Restrictions on oil and gas drilling will cost the U.S. economy $2.36 trillion through 2029, according to a study requested by state utility regulators and paid for in part by industry-sponsored groups.

Drilling restrictions in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and off the U.S. coastline are blocking access to about nine years’ worth of U.S. oil and gas consumption, according to the report. Among sponsors are the National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners and the industry-funded Gas Technology Institute, of Des Plaines, Illinois.

Whenever someone throws out the fact that there are people in countries that are "happier" than the United States due to more spending on social programs, just remind them that we are sending $200 billion a year abroad in wealth to buy oil and refusing to generate and retain $200 billion worth of wealth here via oil drilling. Countries like Denmark and Canada have no problem generating and spending their wealth on their own people and are not hostage to environmental concerns that harm their economies to the tune of almost half a trillion dollars a year.

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post #254 of 261
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2012 might not be the year the world ends after all.

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post #255 of 261
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2012 might not be the year the world ends after all.

Or it might be for some.
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post #256 of 261
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Bloomberg

Whenever someone throws out the fact that there are people in countries that are "happier" than the United States due to more spending on social programs, just remind them that we are sending $200 billion a year abroad in wealth to buy oil and refusing to generate and retain $200 billion worth of wealth here via oil drilling. Countries like Denmark and Canada have no problem generating and spending their wealth on their own people and are not hostage to environmental concerns that harm their economies to the tune of almost half a trillion dollars a year.

It is a ridiculous notion that the only reason other nations are happier than the United States is because of their comparative energy independence and lax environmental laws (Denmark has very strict environmental laws and anyway, it doesn't have oil reserves inside nature reserves, or indeed anywhere inside its borders, so that point's irrelevant and total shit.)

It is equally ridiculous that that United States could make $200 billion a year from its own oil reserves. Indeed, it is completely impossible.

It is just as ridiculous that the poster doesn't even contemplate energy efficiency laws and investment in green energy, has Denmark has, as a way of saving the money America supposedly needs in order to become so happy.

Likewise, energy independence or not, Denmarks Maoist social structures (read: 'generous benefits' and 'national health service') and its tax laws are far more pertinent to that nation's happiness since it pays for its social programmes through national insurance payments and really, really high taxes.
post #257 of 261
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That is quite the dismissal and rant. Please feel free to contact me when it has some links, numbers, hell anything worth addressing.

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post #258 of 261
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That is quite the dismissal and rant. Please feel free to contact me when it has some links, numbers, hell anything worth addressing.

Hey, look, everyone! Trumptman's just dismissed my post by characterising at as a "rant" instead of addressing the points I make!

I think that this is known as an "ad hominem" retort, which is something that's VERY BAD when anyone apart from trumptman does it!

post #259 of 261
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Yes well while you may think calling everything ridiculous might count as a proper retort I don't and in the bigger picture, I don't think many would.

Try again Hassan and by that I mean a better post, not getting banned again.

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post #260 of 261
The Land of the Free where....the government now owns the banks, and apparently, everybody's money.
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post #261 of 261
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The Democrats have no brand advantage.



I think the most interesting thing will be to see what happens when the media continues to stay off the sidelines and keeps advocating for their team. One of the reasons 1994 was such a "surprise" is because the media and their conventional wisdom at the time said it couldn't happen.

They say a little more than that now. They are spending their days labeling everyone in disagreement with their agenda as a racist, extremist hate-monger. The ratings show most people are turning them off rather than listening to their lies yet that is still quite a lot to overcome. Which good and positive Republican leader or group will break through the noise with a good plan going forward? That remains to be seen in my opinion. It would be so nice to watch someone give up on Pax Americana and just want to take care of home for a change. A strong America first domestic agenda would ring very strongly with the public. Likewise promising to push through more energy, revise and repeal on health care, and of course jobs, jobs, jobs by getting out of the way. It could happen and I hope it does.

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