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If Apple sold that much iPhone the news media would call it a massive failure. It's obvious that Palm shorted the supply to try and generate a perceived illusion of a sellout. The sugar coating of the media for the Palm Pre is on borderline ridiculous.

As I recall, they did do exactly that. Many pundits and analysts made up a 1 million unit figure for the first weekend. When this wasn't achieved they lambasted Apple for not making their goal.
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post #242 of 262
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Originally Posted by rishio View Post

And I'm not trying to defend the PRE.

But you seem to be trying to promote the PRE. Some of your posts sound a little like the Palm Pre/Sprint manual.
post #243 of 262
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

As I recall, they did do exactly that. Many pundits and analysts made up a 1 million unit figure for the first weekend. When this wasn't achieved they lambasted Apple for not making their goal.

No, your way off. More like 500,000 - 700,000 weekend sales.

Note: First generation iPhone.
post #244 of 262
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No, your way off. More like 500,000 - 700,000 weekend sales.

Note: First generation iPhone.

Regardless of the amount predicted, it was still lower than the sales which led to claiming that The iPhone was a flop.
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post #245 of 262
AND RETURNED IT YESTERDAY
why
battery dismal--he says he can watch as the battery goes down.
if battery has less than 20% life, even if plugged in (car, home etc) PHONE WONT WORK (that has to be some design flaw, or software mess, but why, your phone is useless at low battery)
he told me "i'm not spending 50 bucks on a second battery, when i change it, all data lost"
no video
no voice dialing

rut-row, palm has a big problem.
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post #246 of 262
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Constantly turning on an off a radio isn't an elegant solution. That's five taps on each startup and shut down that shouldn't be necessary in my opinion. Shouldn't the device do that kind of power management on its own?



It helps to "know your enemy", and a few of your statements show that you don't. Nokia uses Webkit. It only took me a minute to find that and to find that it has a compass. They do offer touch capability now, though that probably depends on the model.

I don't know how iPhone's applications are necessarily desktop class, they're nifty, but desktop class is overselling it. Maybe better than most other portable platforms. Maybe some iPhone apps are on the level of a relatively simple desktop applet, but most are of the complexity of a Dashboard widget. For example, there are a few very simple word processors, but nothing on the scale of Pages that I've seen, more like TextEdit at best.

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post #247 of 262
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claiming that The iPhone was a flop.

Hehe, and how things changed, eh?
post #248 of 262
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Regardless of the amount predicted, it was still lower than the sales which led to claiming that The iPhone was a flop.

Okay then if the Pre sold (predicted number) of 50k and the iPhone 1st generation sold 150k, and you claim that its a flop. Then the 50K predicted sales of the Pre is a "MASSIVE FAILURE".
post #249 of 262
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Originally Posted by piot View Post

But you seem to be trying to promote the PRE. Some of your posts sound a little like the Palm Pre/Sprint manual.

Perhaps - I like it a lot but am aware of it's current issues: questionable battery life being on the top of the list...
post #250 of 262
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Okay then if the Pre sold (predicted number) of 50k and the iPhone 1st generation sold 150k, and you claim that its a flop. Then the 50K predicted sales of the Pre is a "MASSIVE FAILURE".

I dont claim it was a flop, I am saying that other claimed it was a flop for not meeting their own expectations. I am quite certain that they will claim the Pre was an all around success.
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post #251 of 262
Considering the pre is about a year newer than the latest shipping iPhone, shouldn't it be expected that the design would be more advanced and optimized? Seems like a comparison to the new iPhone expected to be announced today and shipping soon would be a more meaningful comparison?
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Considering the pre is about a year newer than the latest shipping iPhone, shouldn't it be expected that the design would be more advanced and optimized? Seems like a comparison to the new iPhone expected to be announced today and shipping soon would be a more meaningful comparison?

The CPU and RAM have remained the same for 2 years now.
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post #253 of 262
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AND RETURNED IT YESTERDAY
why
battery dismal--he says he can watch as the battery goes down.
if battery has less than 20% life, even if plugged in (car, home etc) PHONE WONT WORK (that has to be some design flaw, or software mess, but why, your phone is useless at low battery)
he told me "i'm not spending 50 bucks on a second battery, when i change it, all data lost"
no video
no voice dialing

rut-row, palm has a big problem.

I think you are jumping to conclusions. I've heard good reports of battery life as well as bad. I also heard there is a bug that kills the battery life.. I think we'll find out the truth in the coming weeks...
post #254 of 262
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Considering the pre is about a year newer than the latest shipping iPhone, shouldn't it be expected that the design would be more advanced and optimized? Seems like a comparison to the new iPhone expected to be announced today and shipping soon would be a more meaningful comparison?

yes. agreed.
post #255 of 262
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Originally Posted by slapppy View Post

Okay then if the Pre sold (predicted number) of 50k and the iPhone 1st generation sold 150k, and you claim that its a flop. Then the 50K predicted sales of the Pre is a "MASSIVE FAILURE".

First gen iphone --- massive hype, Steve Jobs, AT&T (then) US' largest carrier, and a relatively good economy.

Pre --- Palm (a company that is permanently in trouble), Sprint (a carrier that is permanently in touble) and a bad economy.
post #256 of 262
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First gen iphone --- massive hype, Steve Jobs, AT&T (then) US' largest carrier, and a relatively good economy.

Pre --- Palm (a company that is permanently in trouble), Sprint (a carrier that is permanently in touble) and a bad economy.

I like Sprint. It's cheaper than AT&T and Verizon and you can roam on verizon networks for free.
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No! Those words definitely do not describe my experiences with other multi-tasking smartphone OSes, such as Windows Mobile and S60. Running more than 1 app caused them to slow to a chuggy, unresponsive crawl.

The Pre apparently doesn't fair overly well with multiple apps running.

Not my experience at all. I had an old (6 years old) WM phone and the only thing good about it was multitasking, especially since it was even slower than the iPhone at launching apps. It would take 10+ seconds to run the SMS app, but once it was open, you could switch to it instantly. Think about it... on the iPhone, if you're doing something and you want to write an SMS, you have to close the current app (1-2 seconds), then run the SMS app (2-5+ seconds). So that's literally instantly vs. a guaranteed 3 second delay. Kind of an eye-opening difference if you've experienced it. I used to always run half a dozen apps on the WM phone--SMS, contacts, file browser, media player, etc. All those apps were usually completely idle when not in use so it didn't affect performance whatsoever.

The downfall of WM is that apps are left running by default. Most users are not aware of how to quit apps so they accumulate and after a day or two of heavy use the phone will likely crash due to an out-of-memory situation and shoddy OS programming. If you go to a store where they sell WM phones you will likely run into a salesman giving somebody a speech about how to run the Task Manager and kill apps to improve stability. But if the usability was improved, it'd be a slam dunk feature for everybody.

Why do you say the Pre doesn't fare well when multitasking? All the reviews I've read say it works surprisingly well. I was just reading the PhoneScoop review which says everything runs smoothly with a dozen apps open. Where are you getting your information?
post #258 of 262
Palm Pre has been already jailbroken. It suggests that a proper C-language-based SDK could happen and shows that WebOS could be very easily altered with the JS-based UI.

http://blog.steventroughtonsmith.com...ster-week.html
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post #259 of 262
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Not my experience at all. I had an old (6 years old) WM phone and the only thing good about it was multitasking, especially since it was even slower than the iPhone at launching apps. It would take 10+ seconds to run the SMS app, but once it was open, you could switch to it instantly. Think about it... on the iPhone, if you're doing something and you want to write an SMS, you have to close the current app (1-2 seconds), then run the SMS app (2-5+ seconds). So that's literally instantly vs. a guaranteed 3 second delay. Kind of an eye-opening difference if you've experienced it. I used to always run half a dozen apps on the WM phone--SMS, contacts, file browser, media player, etc. All those apps were usually completely idle when not in use so it didn't affect performance whatsoever.

The downfall of WM is that apps are left running by default. Most users are not aware of how to quit apps so they accumulate and after a day or two of heavy use the phone will likely crash due to an out-of-memory situation and shoddy OS programming. If you go to a store where they sell WM phones you will likely run into a salesman giving somebody a speech about how to run the Task Manager and kill apps to improve stability. But if the usability was improved, it'd be a slam dunk feature for everybody.

Why do you say the Pre doesn't fare well when multitasking? All the reviews I've read say it works surprisingly well. I was just reading the PhoneScoop review which says everything runs smoothly with a dozen apps open. Where are you getting your information?

Pretty good post. I saw a jailbroken iPhone running yesterday while multi-tasking and it was sad, sad, sad. It slowed to almost a crawl. Apple is correct that it is fast, but this is because only one app, minus Mail and maybe the iPod, have access to the memory. Open more than 5 or 6 apps and the iPhone crawls along on its belly. Symbian, WM (sort of) all multi-task equally if not better than the iPhone.
post #260 of 262
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Palm Pre has been already jailbroken. It suggests that a proper C-language-based SDK could happen and shows that WebOS could be very easily altered with the JS-based UI.
http://blog.steventroughtonsmith.com...ster-week.html

Great, and this is the road to hell.
post #261 of 262
How about this rumor?

Sluggish Palm Pre Sales Put Second webOs Project on Hold.
post #262 of 262
I'm bumping this thread to avoid starting a new one (and will note in passing that those people who thought Palm releasing the Pre right before the new iPhone might be a strategic mistake appear to have been vindicated; the new iPhone is sucking up all the handset buzz oxygen and the Pre went from "OMG next big thing" to "wonder how it's doin' at this point", it seems like).

Anywho, from Apple (via Gruber):

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Apple designs the hardware and software to provide seamless integration of the iPhone and iPod with iTunes, the iTunes Store, and tens of thousands of apps on the App Store. Apple is aware that some third-parties claim that their digital media players are able to sync with Apple software. However, Apple does not provide support for, or test for compatibility with, non-Apple digital media players and, because software changes over time, newer versions of Apple's iTunes software may no longer provide syncing functionality with non-Apple digital media players.

Don't know if that's Apple just fucking with potential Pre buyer's heads or if they're got a finger hovering over the kill switch. I know everyone thinks that it would be a terrible PR disaster for Apple to break iTunes syncing for the Pre, but Apple might be laying the groundwork for basically claiming that they just did some normal bit of housekeeping and it's not their fault if Palm chose to use an undocumented hack to get access to the iTunes database.

Prolly depends on how well the Pre actually does. If it looks like its cutting into iPhone sales, Apple might figure that breaking iTunes sync would be worth it, even if people screamed bloody murder. They do have a semi-plausible story to tell as far as that goes.
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