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post #41 of 262
6/7/09 at 6:27am
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I usually put them in different pockets.

See. True multi-tasking in trousers (or pants).
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6/7/09 at 6:28am
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I wouldnt call iPhone OS X a problem with the iPhone.

No- just making a phone call is (AT&T).
In the next reviews of the iPhone, if call consistency is still an issue I would expect a lot of bad publicity.
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post #43 of 262
6/7/09 at 6:35am
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No- just making a phone call is (AT&T).
In the next reviews of the iPhone, if call consistency is still an issue I would expect a lot of bad publicity.

As weve discuss ad nauseam the differences in call quality are mainly do to the radio technology used. GSM is not better than CDMA and the 700MHz WCDMA is not better than 850MHz WCDMA for penetrating objects.

Why you keep ignoring that all carriers in the US have bad spots is beyond me. Your personal issues with AT&T in your neck of the woods does not necessarily coincide with other people in other places.
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post #44 of 262
6/7/09 at 6:35am
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Something tells me that those applications weren't actually open at once... they just seemed to be.





Here you let yourself down. As an iPhone developer, I can totally disagree with you here.

iPhone is as capable as it can be in all areas due to its foundation of the OSX core. Nevertheless, Apple also DID create a whole new OS in the project. They created a whole new ultra-efficient movie system (Now ported back as QuickTime X) as well as Layer Kit, a low level, fundamental animation system that can work perfectly on very very low powered devices, which is now on both platforms as Core Animation. They also did heavy modification to the OS, in significant places, like Core Audio, etc.

The Apple APIs from Mac OS X that are cross platform existed and ran multiple applications when computers had a 10th the resources of an iPhone. The issue is NOT with OS X on the iPhone.

The issue for battery life is device-level features, especially the cellular radio and GPS. This has nothing to do with Mac OS X and the cross-ported API stack. The cellular radio is the issue with background applications. Internet access (which is the main reason an application wants to run in the background) will create major drains in battery life. Constant polling, open sockets, etc, are always going to be the iPhone's let down.

You need to think for a second about what you're talking about. Mac OS X ran perfectly on MACS with iPhone level capabilities. The issue is not the OS! The issue is device features.




Perhaps you should investigate 1) turning off 3G 2) lowering your lighting level 3) checking how much you're using your device, and how much you expect of it.

The iPhone is pretty average in battery life specs for 3G. The difference, however, is the way you use it that causes faster battery drain, not the device itself.

And yet another fine post with no silly retorts or insults. Simply put all this high flutting stuff we do drains the battery. I wonder is there something<ext battery?> I can plug in to the iphone to extend the battery life when running low ??
Something like the add on's to the ipods that allow us to voice record or play fm music.


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post #45 of 262
6/7/09 at 6:41am
the iPhone is really the first phone that maked me really happy!

People have always accepted that mobile phones where crappy and couldn't find the need to complain about it.. it just wasn't worth it!
Just like surfing on a nokia, it just wasn't worth it. the experience was more than crappy!

Yeah.. you could check you pop/imap email in plain text, just to get you updated. but replying wasn't very easy/efficient to do..

But now!

Even with Apple not adding all the futures other phones have, many where delighted with such a great experience. The user interface was of desktop class and many where stunned by all the effects and usability the device had..

As with standard pc manufactures and m$, they don't innovate for the user, they only apply standard components and copy!
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post #46 of 262
6/7/09 at 6:54am
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And yet another fine post with no silly retorts or insults. Simply put all this high flutting stuff we do drains the battery. I wonder is there something<ext battery?> I can plug in to the iphone to extend the battery life when running low ??
Something like the add on's to the ipods that allow us to voice record or play fm music.


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There are actually. Quite a few add-ons, etc. All 3rd party but they do a great job.

I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic, but its not so much what we do with it, its how often. We use the device every two minutes, unlike other mobile phones that we use once every hour or two. Then we wonder why it only has 1/10th the battery time.

If you look at the battery specs, they actually better many phones out there... but we just use it far more than them.
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6/7/09 at 6:58am
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AT&T has way too many weak spots and with all the data hungry wintel iphone users it will only get worse until the 4g is done or isit 7g now ??

Why teckspud hates AT&T? Well he seems to hate everyone and everything moment to moment of course.HEY Solipsism you 2 guys must be good friends because you keep feeding him day and night. Full well knowing that teckspud is here only to agitate and wise crack. He is very witty and funny. But by now he feels to me weak and tasteless sad old bearded fat man sitting alone in mom's basement. Playing with all his names. kid /seahawk /on and on. and yet you have endured much more than me . and still you feed him. StillYouFeedHim

Dude i fear you may be in that cold basement with him.

One of the reasons I don't consider touching teckstud is, in terms of personal attacks, most of the people that complain about him cross that line against him before he crosses that line against anyone else. If you have an argument to make, fine, if you have an ad-hominem, then you're hurting your cause.
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6/7/09 at 6:58am
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As we’ve discuss ad nauseam the differences in call quality are mainly do to the radio technology used. GSM is not better than CDMA and the 700MHz WCDMA is not better than 850MHz WCDMA for penetrating objects.

Why you keep ignoring that all carriers in the US have bad spots is beyond me. Your personal issues with AT&T in your neck of the woods does not necessarily coincide with other people in other places.


Again AT&T sucks. ANy other 3G network around the world doesn't have the problems this crappy network has in the US. But then you would probably accept the KoolAid carrier as long as it was attached to the iPhone. Dude- you are in denial- BIG TIME.
I don't write the review of AT&T or write the articles that rate it at the bottom of Consumer Reports. I'm not that omnipresent or as powerful as you all seem to think. And I don't morph into different profiles either.
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post #49 of 262
6/7/09 at 6:59am
"I have a business acquaintance that had the luxury of playing with the Pre for about a week. He's a BB user, and thinks the Pre will fade with user abandonment like the first gen Storm. Curiously he said the phone's quality and it's ability to keep your attention is LOW. We will see."

I pulled the above text from a post I made a couple days ago. I think other people are coming to the same realization as my friend did. Go Apple!
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post #50 of 262
6/7/09 at 7:07am
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AT&T has way too many weak spots and with all the data hungry wintel iphone users it will only get worse until the 4g is done or isit 7g now ??

Why teckspud hates AT&T? Well he seems to hate everyone and everything moment to moment of course.HEY Solipsism you 2 guys must be good friends because you keep feeding him day and night. Full well knowing that teckspud is here only to agitate and wise crack. He is very witty and funny. But by now he feels to me weak and tasteless sad old bearded fat man sitting alone in mom's basement. Playing with all his names. kid /seahawk /on and on. and yet you have endured much more than me . and still you feed him. StillYouFeedHim

Dude i fear you may be in that cold basement with him.

First of all, I’m optimistic that people can learn and grow. Secondly, Seahawk Fan has been banned, which is ironic considered one of his last posts, which you replied to, was “Have you ever wondered why Tech Stud, Italian Kid and People like me are allowed to stay in this room without being kicked out.”

As for the AT&T, GSM Is lacking but I find my calls on 3G (WCDMA) more prevalent each month. I have never had an issue with dropped calls, but I don’t doubt that it is an issue with people in certain areas. GSM just isn’t as robust as CDMA.

I hope that AT&T has planned well for the next iPhone launch but I have my doubts and think that we’ll get a similar congestion like last year. Hopefully the tech pundits, like David Pogue, will give us another test this year so we can compare two equivalent testing scenarios a year apart. Hopefully some will also use last year’s iPhone so we can get a feel for how well AT&T has improved their network.

4G (LTE) is a long way off, even for Verizon. AT&T still has plenty of growth in 3G with better HSUPA/HSDPA and then HSPA+ before they’ll need to move to 4G. I’m in Las Vegas this weekend and my internet speed isn’t a good as usual, but still more than adequate and at only 2 bars in my hotel room, which may mean that they are still on 700MHz spectrum.

edit: Weird, it has my server being ~1000 miles away from my location. It lists my closest server as being in Kansas.
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post #51 of 262
6/7/09 at 7:26am
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I think I speak for everyone when I say we have never thought you omnipresent or powerful in any way.

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post #52 of 262
6/7/09 at 7:44am
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There are actually. Quite a few add-ons, etc. All 3rd party but they do a great job.

I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic, but its not so much what we do with it, its how often. We use the device every two minutes, unlike other mobile phones that we use once every hour or two. Then we wonder why it only has 1/10th the battery time.

If you look at the battery specs, they actually better many phones out there... but we just use it far more than them.

No sarcastic. at all. I would use a add-on battery for my iphone and keep a re-charger in my pocket at all times. Being a new yorker you never know when you find your self in an extended adventure. My disaster kit would include >> My iphone with an add-on battery, an add-on voicer recorder, a sci-fi paperback in my back pocket and 3 fifty dollar bills and i am good for days, or day's and a half. I could stream HULU./ABC all night .



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post #53 of 262
6/7/09 at 7:50am
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One of the reasons I don't consider touching teckstud is, in terms of personal attacks, most of the people that complain about him cross that line against him before he crosses that line against anyone else. If you have an argument to make, fine, if you have an ad-hominem, then you're hurting your cause.

Jeff I Iagree with you 100 percent. teckstud gets nailed first words out. So jeff I feel that both offended parties feed off each other.

What does ad-hominem mean? In the context you use it in?

Jeff, the real crime here is people who post here under more than one name. Those people are scum buckets .

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post #54 of 262
6/7/09 at 7:51am
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I think I speak for everyone when I say we have never thought you omnipresent or powerful in any way.

WTF0-Then why must you constantly challenge me with your idiotic "Whine" or "Complain" posts?
You really fatter yourself if you think you speak for everyone. AS if?
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post #55 of 262
6/7/09 at 7:53am
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How many times do you use "WHINE" or 'COMPLAIN" ad nauseam whenever anyone differs from your opinion?
Speak about yourself- everyone on here knows you're like a broken record.

I differed with Melgross opinion all day yesterday, yet would have described him as whining or complaining. If you cant see that making a post simply to state how much the iPhone and/or AT&T sucks is whining and complaining then there doesnt seems to be much hope for you. There are pros and cons with everything, as most posters here point out, but you think if they like the iPhone or are satisfied with AT&T then they are drinking Kool-Aid®. A little balance and forethought in your posts would go a long way to removing your troll eke-name.
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post #56 of 262
6/7/09 at 7:57am
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which may mean that they are still on 700MHz spectrum.

edit: Weird, it has my server being ~1000 miles away from my location. It lists my closest server as being in Kansas.

Seahawk banned ?? lol

Dude your speed is so low. Damn i feel bad for you. Anyway enjoy Las Vegas !!!! PLAY 12 and 18 for me on the roulette wheel !!

Get up right now and walk away from your computer.Go find some daylight !!



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post #57 of 262
6/7/09 at 8:06am
I would be a bit happier if the iPhone didn't lag all the time. You all know what I mean. Launch an app and wait. Click app what's around me then search, bit sure if you hit and are not sure it was hit so you do it again only to watch it open and close very quickly twice. Or how about deleting text in a post like this, you backspace for a few seconds and it doesn't stop deleting forcing you to re type. These are thing we put up with all the time. Wonder if ore solved any of theses glitches?????

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Try an S60 Nokia for instance, and you'll see what I mean. On my old N95-8GB I could have *every* application on the phone open at once without any noticable difference in performance. That's true multitasking working elegantly and efficiently.



Banter means to talk, so it makes sense



They certainly worked hard on it, but perhaps not hard enough. This is one of the problems of taking a full blown computer OS and shoehorning it onto a device with very limited resources. I think Apple would have been better off starting from the ground up when designing its mobile OS, rather than starting with OSX and trying to work backwards. That way they would have been able to have all of the great features currently available, and fully multitasking!



And the iPhone has good battery life?! Don't make me laugh! The iPhone has the worst battery life on any device I've used in the last 3 years for mobile internet browsing. From taking if off charge just before 7am, my iPhone can be at 20% or less, easily, by 11am. Battery life is one of the biggest flaws of the iPhone!
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6/7/09 at 8:06am
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That was a joke and he fell for it. He will make any post just to add up his posting numbers.

Teckstudian logic would say that despite my numerous multi-quoted posts that actually make a statement beyond your canned anti-Apple, anti-AT&T rhetoric.


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Seahawk banned ?? lol

Dude your speed is so low. Damn i feel bad for you. Anyway enjoy Las Vegas !!!! PLAY 12 and 18 for me on the roulette wheel !!

Get up right now and walk away from your computer.Go find some daylight !!

That is about half of my AT&T max and about 70% of my norm.

I am out in the daylight. I have been given a cabana at Hard Rocks Rehab pool. The all day party starts at 10:30am. Its only 8am here, my friends are still sleeping or driving over from Cali, and its too early for mojitos, thought I did have a mimosa with breakfast.

Craps and blackjack are my games. Its too early to gamble, I dont care for a dead casino or the weirdos that gamble in the AM, its a lot like Wal-Mart in the middle of the night.
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6/7/09 at 8:09am
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As weve discuss ad nauseam the differences in call quality are mainly do to the radio technology used. GSM is not better than CDMA and the 700MHz WCDMA is not better than 850MHz WCDMA for penetrating objects.

Why you keep ignoring that all carriers in the US have bad spots is beyond me. Your personal issues with AT&T in your neck of the woods does not necessarily coincide with other people in other places.

Imlive near a college. Great reception. Wife works 2-3 miles away, we live in Pasadena ca now, she gets dropped calls all the time.
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6/7/09 at 8:13am
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I would be a bit happier if the iPhone didn't lag all the time. You all know what I mean. Launch an app and wait. Click app what's around me then search, bit sure if you hit and are not sure it was hit so you do it again only to watch it open and close very quickly twice. Or how about deleting text in a post like this, you backspace for a few seconds and it doesn't stop deleting forcing you to re type. These are thing we put up with all the time. Wonder if ore solved any of theses glitches?????

The only time I had the typing issue, including backspacing, was with v2.0 to some version of 2.1.x or so. It took several months for Apple to update but I havent had the issue since. Even with v3.0 the issue is gone, though other issues, especially with the Maps app, with speed have creeped up.

I see no reason why an iPhone running a newer, faster ARM , with a better GPU and double the RAM should have the lag we get from the current system. As we make the OS more powerful there will always be some lag with the larger apps and other mobile OSes should trounce Apple in the app opening arena for at least a couple generations of iPhone HW, if not much longer.
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6/7/09 at 8:14am
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That is about half of my AT&T max and about 70% of my norm.

I am out in the daylight. I have been given a cabana at Hard Rocks Rehab pool. The all day party starts at 10:30am. Its only 8am here, my friends are still sleeping or driving over from Cali, and its too early for mojitos, thought I did have a mimosa with breakfast.

Craps and blackjack are my games. Its too early to gamble, I dont care for a dead casino or the weirdos that gamble in the AM, its a lot like Wal-Mart in the middle of the night.

Dude can't sleep and must have checked out all the Pre lines on line- worked himself up into a tizzy. Don't worry - you'll make up for it by getting in line for your new Compass sometime soon. See he keeps positing as if this were his blog and we're actually interested in his mundane thoughts.
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6/7/09 at 8:15am
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Imlive near a college. Great reception. Wife works 2-3 miles away, we live in Pasadena ca now, she gets dropped calls all the time.

Count your blessings you don't live in NYC area and rely on AT&T.
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6/7/09 at 8:18am
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8GB NOT expandable.

I love that the ore hascwireless charger. Youbcan play, talk whatever while charging. Sweet.
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6/7/09 at 8:19am
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"We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone," Ed Colligan apparently laughed about with John Markoff last Thursday morning. "PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in."
Yep, so they hired EX PC guys that happens to be EX Apple guys. Since Palm can't even figure out how to make a decent phone on their own.

I remember that quote! Now look at them 2 years behind and still only came up with an also-ran device. I look at those teardown photos and I see an iPhone that is noticeably more elegant even with its guts spread out on a table.
I don't care how fancy it looks when it's closed - the Pre keypad is still a permanent inefficient waste of real-estate. Basic rule of mechanics, more moving parts = more chance of fatigue and failure. At the end of the day, the Pre is still the same 50/50 screen-keypad layout disaster that Steve Jobs appropriately mocked when he first announced the iPhone.

Funny thing, after playing with a Pre for over an hour - going back to my iPhone felt new and ahead of its time all over again.
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6/7/09 at 8:22am
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Multitasking
This feature is so overrated. Sure that are instances that you would like to have two processes run coincide with each other. But is that worth the battery drainage? Sure you can cary a spare battery with you. Then you must add that to the mass of the phone which eventually will make your phone thicker on average. When the hardware is ready Apple will introduce multitasking. But at this moment the batteries and processors are not efficient enough to make this feature an enjoyable one.

This monday the new iPhone will come out and will have the same amount RAM and probably a processor that matches the Pres'. Then the dock connector will be open for 3rd party development. Which will by itself attract and create a whole new market. If a lot of companies start making hardware for the iPhone and use the iPhones' interface. The iPhone will really take off as the next big platform. The Pre will have all its starters issues. Which the iPhone already had. But hey when the iPhone had all these issues there were no better alternatives. Now there are and if Palm slips up enough the consumer will think twice.

We will see but I obviously believe that this phone is absolutely not a game changer. It's just a me too phone.

I don't know if you have read as many as reviews out there, but I have read every one. The only time people have had problems with the battery power is when they are what they call "road warriors" and use their phone, every little feature, quite literally 24/7. If, however, you just make calls, check your calander, use the Data/watch some movies or listen to some music, then your phone will do fine -- in fact, just as fine as the iPhone. And if you do run out of battery, you can always switch it with a new one. Something the iPhone lacks. Oh, and at least I don't have to buy a new phone if my battery dies (or take it to Apple), all I have to do is go to Amazon and buy a new battery, and switch it.
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6/7/09 at 8:26am
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I'm not happy with the idea of constantly switching 3G on and off. I use my device sporadically throughout the day, maybe once every 5-10mins or so for 30seconds to 2 minutes at a time. I would be switching 3G on and off about 20 times a day at least - major hassle. Full screen brightness is the level I am comfortable with.

A battery that lasts to the end of the business day would be fine instead of needing to be charged midway through the day

Yes S60 renders pages with full desktop web browser engine - surely you know this already?. And if all of those other aspects were important to me, I could have them too (N97), but they aren't, so I'm not so fussed there.

Bro, I've had an iPhone since the day it came out and have never had a battery or performance problem. Because of my business, I use it regularly throughout the day and fairly heavily at times. You seem like you just want to complain and frankly I'm tired of reading your posts. If you don't like the iPhone or find yourself wanting the people here to keep defending it, go get a different frickin phone! You're a complainer, and nobody will ever be able to make you happy. As a matter of fact, we don't want you to own an iPhone anymore, your privileges have been revoked. Back AWAY from the iPhone sir...
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6/7/09 at 8:46am
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Repairing the very deepest components is expected to be very difficult, if not impossible.

I would be surprised if Palm has any repair process for any component. These electronics components are not like the cylinder head of your car.

Repair of any specific component within ANY cellphone almost never happens. Instead, manufacturers replace failed components with brand new components.

If subassembly X fails, it is replaced with a new subassembly X. The failed component is then sold to a vendor where its raw materials are reclaimed.

Cell phone subcomponents are virtually NEVER repaired, except in the extremely rare case where an expensive subcomponent has a very common failure mode, and which can be permanently repaired very inexpensively.
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6/7/09 at 8:58am
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Try an S60 Nokia for instance, and you'll see what I mean. On my old N95-8GB I could have *every* application on the phone open at once without any noticable difference in performance. That's true multitasking working elegantly and efficiently.



Banter means to talk, so it makes sense



They certainly worked hard on it, but perhaps not hard enough. This is one of the problems of taking a full blown computer OS and shoehorning it onto a device with very limited resources. I think Apple would have been better off starting from the ground up when designing its mobile OS, rather than starting with OSX and trying to work backwards. That way they would have been able to have all of the great features currently available, and fully multitasking!



And the iPhone has good battery life?! Don't make me laugh! The iPhone has the worst battery life on any device I've used in the last 3 years for mobile internet browsing. From taking if off charge just before 7am, my iPhone can be at 20% or less, easily, by 11am. Battery life is one of the biggest flaws of the iPhone!

Well, as has already been stated. Not all applications must have been doing something at the same time. Just opening applications that do nothing is just filling up the RAM. No thats not TRUE multitasking!

To banter means to speak to or address in a witty manner. English is not my first language but I even know this. And I don't see how that word applied in that context.

I'm not even going to respond to your last paragraph. You really have no idea what you're talking about. Talking about Apple having little resources. Even palm used some of Apples resources by hiring ex Apple employees that were heavily involved into developing the iPhone. Believe what you want to believe. But I think you should reconsider arguing the negative in this thread.
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6/7/09 at 9:26am
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Why do you people always conveniently forget that Smartphone OSs have been multitasking for years, smoothly and elegantly? You banter on about it as if it was this new fangled feature that's in its infancy. Multitasking is incredibly useful for quickly and easily switching between applications instead of having to quit out of one, and start another from the launcher. Of course, it also means you can stay logged into IM clients, etc, and do other things at the same time. The iPhone doesn't have it simply because Apple didn't design the OS to be lean enough for the hardware it runs on. They could have quite easily done it if they had worked harder at it to reduce the footprint of the OS and apps, but they didn't, and that was their choice.

Not to mention that the iPhone DOES multitask, it just has a predetermined set of applications that multitask.

It'd be nice to somehow manually "award" one other app the ability to leave it running after closing. Let the user decide if the battery hit is worth it.

As for removable batteries, I've never understood why this is a big deal. I bought a battery for my iPhone - when I need to recharge I plug it in and it recharges as if I am plugged into a wall. I don't have to turn off the phone or take it apart. How is this solution inferior to having an internal replacement? The thing gives me TWO full charges, not just one.
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6/7/09 at 9:36am
What a stupid article. Of course they are similar in construction. They share the same characteristics and size. How else would you jam all that crap into handheld device?
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6/7/09 at 9:36am
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NO. but the Pre would be both - smaller and thinner. My point is Apple should have had a smaller form factor of the iPhone ( another version like all phones have). It could have been a slider , making it smaller, but Pre has beat them to the punch.

The Pre isn't thinner than the iPhone.
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6/7/09 at 9:40am
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I don't know if you have read as many as reviews out there, but I have read every one. The only time people have had problems with the battery power is when they are what they call "road warriors" and use their phone, every little feature, quite literally 24/7. If, however, you just make calls, check your calander, use the Data/watch some movies or listen to some music, then your phone will do fine -- in fact, just as fine as the iPhone. And if you do run out of battery, you can always switch it with a new one. Something the iPhone lacks. Oh, and at least I don't have to buy a new phone if my battery dies (or take it to Apple), all I have to do is go to Amazon and buy a new battery, and switch it.

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If, however, you just make calls, check your calander, use the Data/watch some movies or listen to some music, then your phone will do fine

No way you need multitasking for that now do you? David Pogue made a statement in his review about the battery being short of life. As I already stated. Multitasking isn't possible on a mobile device. What I said was that the hardware isn't efficient enough in order to really enjoy the option of multitasking.

Oh, and if you really are out of battery you can carry one of those third party external batteries. But road warriors are also a lot in cars etc. You can charge your phone in the car whilst you're on the road. I also charge my iPhone by just connecting it to my laptop. Can you do that with the pre? Real road warriors have at least a laptop with them.

When the iPhone came out the first time everybody was talking about the battery that was soldered to the circuit board. How that was inconvenient and that Apple will get into trouble for doing so. Because people had experienced before with previous phones that the battery was one of the elements that needed replacement often. The iPhone has been out for two years now. I haven't read any blog or partition that huge amounts of needed a battery replacement. Apple has a good quality battery in the iPhone. It charges fast and I haven't noticed that the charge cycles are getting shorter. I say, you don't need a replaceable battery when you don't need to replace your battery.
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post #73 of 262
6/7/09 at 9:44am
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The iPhone doesn't have it simply because Apple didn't design the OS to be lean enough for the hardware it runs on. They could have quite easily done it if they had worked harder at it to reduce the footprint of the OS and apps, but they didn't, and that was their choice.

This is true in the sense that Apple chose to use Objective-C as the iPhone's development platform. It is much more powerful and robust than the development tools for every other mobile phone but also uses more system resources.

Your statements are not true in the sense that Apple could develop software that is both equally powerful and significantly more efficient.

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Try an S60 Nokia for instance, and you'll see what I mean. On my old N95-8GB I could have *every* application on the phone open at once without any noticable difference in performance. That's true multitasking working elegantly and efficiently.

I don't believe this at all. If it were true Nokia would be using this fact in its marketing. At the very least if it were true it would have been mentioned in the last two years of debate about the iPhone multi-tasking.


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And the iPhone has good battery life?! Don't make me laugh! The iPhone has the worst battery life on any device I've used in the last 3 years for mobile internet browsing. From taking if off charge just before 7am, my iPhone can be at 20% or less, easily, by 11am. Battery life is one of the biggest flaws of the iPhone!

The iPhone's battery life is dependent on how you use it. If you rarely used the internet or played games, the battery can last for a couple of days.
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6/7/09 at 9:48am
The reason for this is because on average they have 100 apps loaded on their phone and they are constantly using it. This is not the case for other phones.

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These fanboys make me laugh so hard. Every iPhone user I know in NYC:

1.) Has to constantly (daily) recharge their iPhone or leave it plugged in while using it. CONSTANTLY.
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6/7/09 at 9:49am
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I love that the ore hascwireless charger. Youbcan play, talk whatever while charging. Sweet.

Posting from your iPhone I see....
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6/7/09 at 9:50am
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What a stupid article. Of course they are similar in construction. They share the same characteristics and size. How else would you jam all that crap into handheld device?

There will always be similiarity between handhelds, the comparisons are with the more Apple-like design. If you look at the breakdown of other smartphones you see that the Pre innards look a lot more like the iPhone than other devices.

If Apple has Been able to utilize the PA Semi staff for the next iPhone the Pre may look very archaic in comparison.


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The Pre isn't thinner than the iPhone.

It's simply astounding how completely wrong is always is. Why thinks adding a keyboard and the HW mechanism for a slider would make it thinner is too absurd to be a real post. Could this be some professor doing a experiement on how much idiacy one can take before they reach their limit? It's harder and harder to think him a real life human being.


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Posting from your iPhone I see....

HAHA It is often obvious when typing on an iPhone. I'd love an app for the iPhone and Mac that let me edit the corrected word list.
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6/7/09 at 9:51am
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That Missing Sync for the Pre looks pretty good. It does help make the Pre more marketable.

I can see the Pre as being a good phone for a goodly number of people?

Is it as good as or equal to or better than the iPhone? That's the user's perception. For a lot of people, the G1 with Android is great. A million people bought it. So, the Pre might just be what a lot of people are looking for.

Is Apple's iPhone perfect? Far from it. But is it the best one for you? Again, that's for you to decide. Thank goodness we have choices.

I, for one, am glad the Pre is out, and I hope it does reasonably well. Competition is great, even if only a few features are better than the iPhone, it will hopefully push Apple to include those features in future upgrades.

So, is the Pre for you? Software like Missing Sync go a long way toward making the Pre a more viable option.

For me, I'm going to get the next generation iPhone, even though there are things I don't like about it. The sum of its parts, for me, make it the phone/micro-computer I want to own. Others will enjoy the Pre, or some other smartphone, and for them, it is better than the iPhone.

Choice is good.

Greg

Very well said.

i sold my iPhone 3G because i could not live with all of the dropped calls and service drops (reception was horrible on the phone, apparently they fixed it with a software update after i sold the phone)

either way other than that it was the most perfect device for me, sure it would get a little choppy and slow down if it had been on for a few weeks, but a simple re-boot always cured that, i also had to charge the battery every single day, however its easy enough to plug in by my bedside at night...

personally the palm pre, after holding it and examining it, just isnt the right *feel*. i thought that before i even saw it, by watching videos on the nets, and sure enough when i picked it up, i felt the same way.

one device that i think (were it a phone) would do well, is the ZuneHD. ive watched every video and read every review of the damn thing, its simple just a great looking device.

and the software looks simple and straight forward. but i dont see it being a phone anymore... i think they would have mentioned that already if it was the case.
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6/7/09 at 9:52am
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Not to mention that the iPhone DOES multitask, it just has a predetermined set of applications that multitask.

It'd be nice to somehow manually "award" one other app the ability to leave it running after closing. Let the user decide if the battery hit is worth it.

As for removable batteries, I've never understood why this is a big deal. I bought a battery for my iPhone - when I need to recharge I plug it in and it recharges as if I am plugged into a wall. I don't have to turn off the phone or take it apart. How is this solution inferior to having an internal replacement? The thing gives me TWO full charges, not just one.

I know the iPhone has multitasking. Multitasking isn't the problem. But letting the user or the program choose how or when to multitask is a very dangerous thing. On a desk- or laptop you don't have this problem very quickly. But on a phone with limited resources in processor power, RAM and battery life. I do believe that at this point Apple is using the best solution for these challenges.
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post #79 of 262
6/7/09 at 9:54am
Lag can come from a number of different sources, not necessarily from bugs in the OS. Lag can depend on the quality of the app you are attempting to launch, it can depend on the amount of available RAM at the moment, it can depend on the last time you've turned off the phone and allowed the system to reset. These are the same issues that cause lag in full desktop computers.

I have seen the deleting text bug you are talking about. But it only happens for me on AI. I've never had it happen in any other situation. So is the problem with the OS or is their some problem with how it interacts with AI.


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I would be a bit happier if the iPhone didn't lag all the time. You all know what I mean. Launch an app and wait. Click app what's around me then search, bit sure if you hit and are not sure it was hit so you do it again only to watch it open and close very quickly twice. Or how about deleting text in a post like this, you backspace for a few seconds and it doesn't stop deleting forcing you to re type. These are thing we put up with all the time. Wonder if ore solved any of theses glitches?????
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6/7/09 at 9:56am
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The reason for this is because on average they have 100 apps loaded on their phone and they are constantly using it. This is not the case for other phones.

Actually, I would suspect roaming from site to site in a city would be a more likely candidate. Not the amount of apps loaded.

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Considering you can only use one app at a time (we are talking 3rd party apps) I highly doubt that a battery drains that quick. I use apps like pandora and ootunes for ~4-5 hrs before they kill the battery. The GPS I noticed is a real drain though.
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