Palm Pre teardown shows iPhone-inspired design - Page 3

If you only ever used the iPhone for phone calls, it can last for two or three days.

Many (if not most) of the iPhone's apps are just a front end UI to a web data base, so using the app is using the internet. On average iPhone users have around 100 apps loaded, people are using the apps, and that kills the battery quicker.

i agree for the most part.

but i also see how apple, being under constant scrutiny, has to protect it's reputation in the general public. the majority of people wouldn't use this feature judiciously, they would just max it out and then complain about battery life, and then the iphone would pick up a poor reputation due to nothing more than user misuse.

case in point:


Full brightness is ridiculously unnecessary, unless you have significant vision problems, in which case, apple cannot cater exclusively to such an extreme minority.

Apple has a patent for predictive text UI that lists words that look like the word you are attempting to type. That allows you to more easily select the exact word. This UI is used in Google's iPhone app. I wonder why Apple does not use it system wide.

I'd wager his point was that most users have many apps that they are constantly aceessing --not that the additonal apps are draining the battery just from being installed-- whereas other phones aren't are excessively used.

I use the GPS app very frequently and it does drain the battery rather quickly. I hope that improves with the next model but I still expect it be the weakest point in battery duration.

Even on the Mac, if you mistakenly add a word to the "ignore spelling" list you have to go through some funky steps to fix it. Perhaps someone has made an app for it, but Apple surely doesn't have an easy way to add and remove words.

Oh yes, I am saying the battery is drained from frequent use of the apps, not from the apps existence on the phone.

Well of course this is true... that's what you get when you have 128mb RAM.

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Plus I did it myself when I first got the phone. You can open everything that's in the main menu, and in folders within the main menu, at once, without running out of RAM or slowing the device down. I find it amusing that you can't believe a 2 year old device is capable of doing this

I was thinking the same thing, but it's another chance to view a competing product in an Apple-light, no? It's still a bizarre comparison, as all these devices are pretty compact, full of radios, RAM, a CPU, etc, there's only so much that can different.

As as the Pre, I'm pretty interested, but like with the iPhone, neither are on Verizon, so I really don't care at this point, that and most everyone I know is on Verizon, and that saves me minutes.

I love teckstud logic!

You don't like the iPhone because it's too thick so you like the Pre better because it's thicker than the iPhone!

The iPhone has 128MB of RAM. The Pre has 256MB.



I do believe you can open every application, I don't believe you can open every application with no detriment to the phone's performance. This isn't possible on a computer, as by definition every open app takes away from the over all performance of every other app.

I didnt like the pre at all, I dont like the iphone either.
In fact, its plain pitiful that NO American carrier lets you do simultaneous
voice and DATA.

I can't be in my browser looking for a restaurant in google maps or in a
'search near me' GPS type emulation *AND* tell the people waiting on the line
YES IM COMING.

Whats the point?

The pre multitasks but cant do voice and data and the iphone cant EVEN multitask...

Tell the carriers to build REAL networks. Its really sad how far behind we are.

Probably not, as it would have at least tried to autocorrect the spelling.

I thought you were just happy to see me.

Do you have anything to back that up? Have you ever used a cell phone abroad? I would never say ATT is great but then again I live in manhattan and don't get Verizon reception in my apartment.

The iphone on 3G allows simultaneous voice and data.

Its technology standards issue. Any UMTS 3G phone can do both voice and data at the same time. EV-DO phones cannot, which is what the Pre is.

Welcome! And by all means, please keep posting....

Just out of curiosity... Have you ever tried doing that on an iPhone???!!! You can be on the phone and on the browser or on Goggle maps at the same time!

How can you say such a ridiculous thing when it is absolutely not true???!!!

I think calling it "very dangerous" is a little extreme, don't you?

Clearly there is a master list of apps that can run in the background. That's how the phone, the iPod, email, etc can run in the background. So what would be so dangerous about allowing the user, through a setting buried in the Settings app, add ONE SINGLE app to that list?

If battery life suffered, the user could change the selected app or disable the function entirely. 90% of users would never know the function was even there and their use of the phone would be unchanged. But for the 10% who want it, why not give them this very safe method of trying it out?

I'd love to be able to have Palringo running in the background about once a month when I am at an airport and want to chat, but also want to browse the web. I'd also love to let Pandora run in the background on the rare instance when I listen to it. As it is I hardly ever use it because when I do, my phone is cut down to be only an iPod.

You really think not allowing it at all is a better solution than what I describe above?

Make that reservation at Nobu 702/693 5090

You're arguing with the guy who wrote:

"To a certain extend your comment..."

Seriously, does the OP really not know that you can do voice and data on the iphone simultaneously on 3G?

how many apps actually "run" in the background? i know the ipod app does. but email works by the badge system...just using alerts, not fully running. is that correct?

Not just banned, they appear to have nuked his account from orbit, which, of course, was the only way to be sure.

I don't know about email, but certainly the Phone runs in the background. And then of course there are all the hidden functions that run in the background too. So adding one more app would not be doubling the number of apps running in the background, it would only add a small percentage more activity. Plus, of course, the selected app would not always be running in the background, only when you actually used it and didn't exit it (which is a function Apple would have to enable somehow - maybe a special X that appears on the "blessed" app).

Actually, banter isn't a synonym for "talk", it specifically means "light hearted back-and-forth" or "a teasing exchange."

In the context of your original usage the better choice would have been something like "carry on" or "hold forth", with some connotation of tendentiousness.

I don't understand the complaints about the battery life and I use my phone fairly heavily for browsing, mail, and internet.

For multitasking, about the only app I can see any use to keep running in the background would be IM, and it's not necessary that it keep running. I use AIM for instance and I just set it to forward to my phone as an SMS when I'm not logged in. Problem solved. If I get an SMS IM, I can reply to as a normal IM. It doesn't need to be running 24x7. E-mail checks at intervals, so that's a no brainer, and web page states are automatically saved when you switch to something else. The simple fact is that the iPhone can multitask, but only for those system apps that apple allows. The apps that they do allow make sense and serve my needs. I feel no need to have 4 apps running at once, especially on a phone of all things. About the limit of what I do need to multitask works very well. iPod music while at the gym, with sms, and possibly web browsing to look up some odd fact or whatnot. Email, web, and sms pretty much sums up most of my activity.

With my typical use, I get about 3 days standby, and about 3 hours of actual 'on' usage. I've turned off push notifications as I have about 4 email accounts defined. I don't turn of 3G however. I use WiFi almost all the time with occasional 3g. I also occasionally use a game or an app. I would think my usage is pretty typical.I should note that I'm using 3.0 software which seems to turn off or minimize 3g usage when it's not needed (I don't know that for a fact, but I do notice a small delay before it 'connects' when I open a browser for instance.

Considering a typical laptop gets about 5-6 hours usage with a MUCH larger battery, IMO, it does very well considering it's not even as big as a laptop battery. On top of that, it has GPS, camera, touch screen interface, 480x320 full color screen, etc.

As to dropped calls, I actually had that issue. It turned out to be my sim card, not the phone. The Apple folks referred me to an AT&T store, who promptly replaced it after a few questions and my dropped call issues went away.

I guess I must be uniquely lucky everytime I am in NYC (which is at least once a month): I get superb signals just about everywhere that I am (typicaly midtown all the way down to Battery Park).

I recall that there were a lot of complaints about the Edge version when first introduced, but is it really still true that the city gets lousy reception even with iPhone 3G? Can anyone who actually lives there confirm? (I.e., the question is not for teckstud).

Even when the iPhone gets the same (or similar) CPU, GPU and 256MB RAM, the Pre and other smartphones with lighter OSes should still be able to have more open apps than the iPhone. There seems to be some people who dont realize that the iPhone OS X is pretty large in comparison to other mobile OSes despite how light it is in comparison with the desktop version. The previous poster who states that Apple was just being lazy by not making Mac OS X even lighter than it is for mobile use simply has no clue.

PS: I wouldnt be surprised to have one new SW feature of the next iPhone be a background app or two now that there is double the RAM and more CPU at hand.



If he did he wouldnt be our beloved resident troll boy.



Just to be clear, any 3G network can do both voice and data. One of the downfalls of GSM over CDMA is that while on a CDMA2000 network you can make a call in CDMA which uses considerably less power than a WCDMA connection which will make a call in 3G.

This guy's demon's had demon's.
I feel sorry for these lost trolls who carry around so much pain.
Everyone here tried to reason with him .

peace

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'Mac' address? Wow, I did not know only Macs had MACs!

Welcome back.

Yea you get that ole 4am large empty supermarket blues with those errie lights.

ENJOY.


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In computer networking, a Media Access Control address (MAC address) is a unique identifier assigned to most network adapters or network interface cards (NICs) by the manufacturer for identification, and used in the Media Access Control protocol sublayer. If assigned by the manufacturer, a MAC address usually encodes the manufacturer's registered identification number. It may also be known as an Ethernet Hardware Address (EHA), hardware address, adapter address, or physical address.

Nokia uses QtWebKit and it's not a full WebKit port.

Its not just apps, but a lot of frameworks that are running. The Mail app does run in the background to check and load mail, even if you have it setup manually and then leave the app it still completes its task, unlike other apps. I could be wrong, but I think that mobile Safari in 3.0 is finishing loading after I leave the app. At the very least, its not reloading every page when you jump back into the app like it started doing in v2.0.

Besides the phone, iPod, clock (timer/alarm), springboard, Mail process and MobileMe sync processes I dont know of exactly what else is running but the iPhone seems to use more than half the RAM at any one time for the system. If you have a jailbroken iPhone you can install SysInfo to see all the processes running.



That is interesting. I havent heard about the SIM card being the cause for dropped calls unless your phone is losing the SIM card connection, but Id figure that would result in the device saying No SIM card detected.

Welcome to AI, glad to see some rational new posters on these forums.



I ate there last night for the first time. I had a great time and the food was good too.



What was that yesterday about people like you dont get banned.

And youll get banned again in 3 2 1...

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Yeah, and the acronym is MAC, not Mac. I guess I should have added a "mild sarcasm" tag.....

I walk around with a wad a cash at least twice as thick as my iPhone and it doesn't bother me a bit.

He was goofing on you.

As for you suggestion for AI to ban by MAC address that seems a little extreme. Post banned trolls either go away or come back with a better attitude, not by making their first post a caustic statement calling people shitheads and thinking that they have found some previously unknown loophole.

BTW, MAC addresses can be changed. They are merely the digital representation of the BIA.



Nokia and Mozilla have been using Qt to port Firefox 3 to the mobile platform as Fennec, a small fox, for over a year now. I hope they get this done quickly because Mozilla has really dropped the ball on the mobile platform at this point. With the growth of smartphones and internet capable PMPs its possible that WebKit could beat Gecko (Firefox) by installed base within a relatively short time.

Pre - 600 MHz ARM Cortex A8 and 256MB of Ram

If the iphone has the same specs or better we better get multitasking apple..

That's cool -- I did not know that! How does a lay person do that?