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post #41 of 239
anybody know why Apple can't use the integrated usb/esata all-in-one ports i'm seeing on PC's.
post #42 of 239
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Originally Posted by Graeme View Post

I can see that a lot of workflows don't use a card slot, but then there some that do and flexibility is the key, now we are down to one FW input and no express slot this makes the 15" not much use to any video workflow that that isn't memory card based.

The ability to plug in a video deck + external storage via fw or esata(via card slot) is still a regular need.

Are there really that many video editors working at the level that requires a deck plus external drives AND are working on a 13 or 15? Wouldn't most editors working at that level want the 17 anyway?

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Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

Customers want lots of things. Its impossible for Apple to fill every single niche people think they need.

Of course. But BD is a mainstream meda format, it's not like something wacky and exotic that nobody has heard of.
post #43 of 239
If I had a nickel every time Mac commentators or forum members ridiculed PC makers for including SD slots.....

Great to see Firewire back on all Macs (except Air). So much for the "but there's no room to include it!!!" argument. This is a pretty big deal for laptop using musicians (who are overwhelmingly Mac users) since all but the most basic audio interfaces use Firewire. Plus it frees up a USB port for MIDI devices which will negate the need for a hub for many.

On the other hand I'm pretty disappointed to see Express Card dropped from all but the 17" model. I plan on getting a MBP to replace my desktop PC once Snow Leopard and the whole 64 bit transition gets settled in a year or so. I require Express Card or PCIe for a special audio DSP card (UAD-2) for running plugins. I know I could get a used MBP with ExpressCard but this is a less than ideal solution, especially long term.

Also disappointed by the continuing lack of eSATA. eSATA drives are much faster than FW800 and also a lot cheaper. The only disadvantage is it requires a power adapter while 2.5" USB/FW can be powered from their cable. But for cheaper, faster, higher capacity 3.5" drives which require power no matter the connection, eSATA is by far the superior choice.

Overall though, very impressive updates for the laptop line.
post #44 of 239
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Originally Posted by rain View Post

Glossy screens and built-in batteries = Apple shares tanking $5 on the news.

Wonder if they are going to give the public what they want any time soon?

Watch the MS commercials: What the public want is a "cheap, fast notebook computer with a big screen." Nobody is advertising blu-ray drives, matte-finish screens and removeable batteries because the major portion of the profitable laptop-buying market wants a cheap portable computer to do email, facebook, twitter and YouTube on. No doubt 80-90% of the laptop owners in the world never bought a second battery unless the first one died. Not everyone is an IT or business person, and don't think like one.
post #45 of 239
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

No the two circumstances are entirely different. Its only BD supporters who are attempting to make them the same. When DVD was first introduced it was a revolutionary new product and had no real competition. BD is not revolutionary and has a lot of competition.

If BD has much more competition than DVD did at the same point in their lifetimes, shouldn't the BD numbers be worse compared to DVD instead of better? It makes no sense to counter numbers that make BD look like it's doing well with comments saying that BD has had bigger challenges to get to those numbers.

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Originally Posted by rain View Post

Glossy screens and built-in batteries = Apple shares tanking $5 on the news.

Wonder if they are going to give the public what they want any time soon?

AAPL always drops after keynotes no matter what Apple announces, it's a horrible measure of the response to the announcements. And if laptops with more features AND price drops aren't what the public wants, I'm not sure what is. You REALLY think the stock dropped because of "Glossy screens and built-in batteries"?
post #46 of 239
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Originally Posted by Evertype View Post

Built-in batteries is very disappointing.

With external magsafe battery packs, you don't need to switch out batteries like other laptops, you just plug in the external battery and keep on trucking - no shutdown/restart required.

These new batteries last a lot longer as well, and have greater power capacity, but the side effect is that they're non-replaceable.

The Macbook Pro updates were an unexpected surprise, and I think Apple did the right thing in dropping prices as well as increasing specifications. Moving the Macbook 13" to Macbook Pro status, with SD card and FW800 is sensible, and fixes the flaws in this product - as well as making it cheaper.
post #47 of 239
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Are there really that many video editors working at the level that requires a deck plus external drives AND are working on a 13 or 15? Wouldn't most editors working at that level want the 17 anyway?.

Well yes i think so, i prefer the 15' to lug about and spend 50% of my time working on one 50% on a tower- it's not the price that really worries me. but the 15" is ideal in the field.

my point is that if you need variety in your expansion- with the new line up- your limited to one model of pro laptop. and in my books what has made mac laptops good work horses has been robustness, good video cards and great expansion that will enable you to plug just about anything into them as long as the drivers exist.

Being able to capture from live or tape onto external disks/raid sets (USB if useless for this) is kind the basic stuff you need to be able to do.
post #48 of 239
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Because Blu-ray has been such a runaway hit?

Actually, yeah.

Considering the recession, BD is doing quite well.
post #49 of 239
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Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

I bet if Apple offered a blu-ray drive it would be pretty damn expensive. It would have to be an ultra-thin slot loading drive. Those aren't cheap by any means. You better want to watch movies on your laptop pretty bad! Other than watching movies, blu-ray is practically useless. If they also had a blu-ray burner in the same drive it may be useful for people using video/DVD editing apps.



Exactly!

PC laptops manage to have them. It's even mentioned in one of MS's new Ads. It's a selling point.
post #50 of 239
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

That's party line, but doesn't mean much when BD is still a fraction of DVD and DVD sales are plunging.

BD sales are way up, as are the sales of movies.
post #51 of 239
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Only if the inclusion of BD would help increase sales of Apple computers, there is no evidence this would be the case.

How can you cite evidence for something that doesn't exist?
post #52 of 239
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Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

Got a link to that?

Sure, here you go an easy one to TIGERDIRECT.com
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...=4354126&csid=

a BD reading CD/DVD burning drive at retail is only $89, the wholesale price has got to be closer to $40 for a company like apple.
post #53 of 239
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Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

Well it all comes down to licensing. Perhaps Apple doesn't want to pay for a license when they already offer an HD solution. And I'm sure the fact that Apple sells a thing called AppleTV with the iTunes Movie store has nothing to do with the lack of blu-ray.

You don't see any 3rd party developers making an OS X player either do you?

They can't do that until the OS supports it. You didn't see apps for Windows either until MS added support.

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$500-$700 option? I doubt many will take it up! Not enough to make up for the cost of having it.

It would be more like $300 at most. You can get thin players for $150.
post #54 of 239
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Originally Posted by mitchelljd View Post

Sure, here you go an easy one to TIGERDIRECT.com
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...=4354126&csid=

a BD reading CD/DVD burning drive at retail is only $89, the wholesale price has got to be closer to $40 for a company like apple.

I thought this was talking about a laptop BD drive, specifically one thin enough to fit in these laptops?
post #55 of 239
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

No the two circumstances are entirely different. Its only BD supporters who are attempting to make them the same. When DVD was first introduced it was a revolutionary new product and had no real competition. BD is not revolutionary and has a lot of competition.

But it's still doing very well.

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BD may help Apple sell a few hundred more computers, but I don't believe it would help sell hundreds of thousands.

Thousands, at least.
post #56 of 239
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Originally Posted by rain View Post

Glossy screens and built-in batteries = Apple shares tanking $5 on the news.

Wonder if they are going to give the public what they want any time soon?

The entire market is down today. It's not just Apple. When the market goes down, Apple almost goes down more. When it goes up the same thing happens. I wouldn't worry about it.

I would doubt that Apple is down because of the popular glossy screens.
post #57 of 239
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Originally Posted by rune66 View Post

while matte was still available.

I think the old glossy was the best of both worlds because it had a Rayleigh coating or some other kind of reflection diffraction coating. Not a terrifically strong one like the old high end CRTs had (including Apple's) but it was there, and it does help and does work. Look at the patterns of a bright object reflected in the screen and you'll probably see what I mean. The new glass glossy doesn't seem to have this, looks like plain polished glass to me.

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Originally Posted by stonefree View Post

If I had a nickel every time Mac commentators or forum members ridiculed PC makers for including SD slots.....

I know. But SDHC is now the prevailing card standard. The kind of devices, including SLRs that usually had CF is now moving to SDHC, camcorders seem to be moving to SDHC in large numbers, and the nonsense Memory Stick and xD formats haven't taken hold.

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Originally Posted by Hattig View Post

With external magsafe battery packs, you don't need to switch out batteries like other laptops, you just plug in the external battery and keep on trucking - no shutdown/restart required.

I've not seen these things, do you have a link?

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Originally Posted by mitchelljd View Post

Sure, here you go an easy one to TIGERDIRECT.com
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...=4354126&csid=

a BD reading CD/DVD burning drive at retail is only $89, the wholesale price has got to be closer to $40 for a company like apple.

That thing doesn't apply to notebooks. Apple would need ~9mm thick notebook drives in order to put them into notebooks.
post #58 of 239
we just bought a new macbook pro on friday for my uncle and it's already being taken overseas. what should i do ???

this is bullsh/t
post #59 of 239
These updates come at a very surprising time. It should do wonders to help increase Mac portable sales.
post #60 of 239
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Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

we just bought a new macbook pro on friday for my uncle and it's already being taken overseas. what should i do ???

Not buy a machine just before a major mac conference next time?

Call apple, you can probably send it back or at least get a discount on it.
post #61 of 239
A "pro" laptop with integrated graphics?

post #62 of 239
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I know. But SDHC is now the prevailing card standard. The kind of devices, including SLRs that usually had CF is now moving to SDHC, camcorders seem to be moving to SDHC in large numbers, and the nonsense Memory Stick and xD formats haven't taken hold.

It's still just one standard. It's not likely that the better D-SLR's will go to SD of any type for years. As I mentioned, an SD adapter can go into a CF card slot, but not the other way around. A bad choice.
post #63 of 239
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Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

we just bought a new macbook pro on friday for my uncle and it's already being taken overseas. what should i do ???

this is bullsh/t

Your complaint is.

You buy something the day before a major Apple showcase, and then complain because newer machines are announced.

Give us a break!
post #64 of 239
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Originally Posted by rain View Post

Glossy screens and built-in batteries = Apple shares tanking $5 on the news.

Wonder if they are going to give the public what they want any time soon?

You must be new here. AAPL frequently dives right after announcements. I suspect what investors really wanted was to see a healthy Steve Jobs on stage more than any specific product.
post #65 of 239
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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

You must be new here. AAPL frequently dives right after announcements. I suspect what investors really wanted was to see a healthy Steve Jobs on stage more than any specific product.

And right now, AAPL is down less than one percent for the day. Nope, didn't "tank" at all, much less do it over glossy screens. Seriously, there are a few legitimate complaints to make about today's keynote, but that's one that not many care about.
post #66 of 239
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It's still just one standard. It's not likely that the better D-SLR's will go to SD of any type for years. As I mentioned, an SD adapter can go into a CF card slot, but not the other way around. A bad choice.

Not sure what you consider "better", as everyone has their preferences. Canon appears to be making the switch right now with their latest new SLR:
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=18385

Nikon's latest SLR, the D5000, also just went SD/SDHC:
http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Ni...452/D5000.html
post #67 of 239
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Originally Posted by Elixir View Post

we just bought a new macbook pro on friday for my uncle and it's already being taken overseas. what should i do ???

this is bullsh/t

Maybe try waiting until after a major Apple event (announced a long time ago) which is typically a forum for new product announcements? Or maybe scheduled the overseas trip or whatever after the event? If that's not possible what about emailing Steve Jobs and asking him to reschedule WWDC before the planned trip to give you ample time to buy the new model?
post #68 of 239
this is OVERWHELMING pretty good over all

iPhone OS 3.0 on time
iPhone 3Gs on time
Snow Leopard on time
Snow Leopard Cheaper - $29

$1699 15" MacBook Pro - it will be cheaper with edu and some discount sites
4GB standard on most of the machines

pretty good indeed ...

on the blu ray - i already given up on that so not a disappointment

NOW apple update the iMac come september with Snow Leopard - done deal.

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post #69 of 239
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It's still just one standard. It's not likely that the better D-SLR's will go to SD of any type for years. As I mentioned, an SD adapter can go into a CF card slot, but not the other way around. A bad choice.

I would agree a bad choice for the high end, but not for the low end models.

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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

Not sure what you consider "better", as everyone has their preferences. Canon appears to be making the switch right now with their latest new SLR:
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=18385

Nikon's latest SLR, the D5000, also just went SD/SDHC:
http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Ni...452/D5000.html

He most likely means the pro ones, examples: Canon 5D Mk II & 1Ds III, Nikon D700 & D3, among others. Those that you mentioned are consumer models.
post #70 of 239
Well Apple manage to make me a happy owner of Macbook pro..
Of an OLD 2.66 Macbook pro..
First of all I require express card slot. Lots of stuff can go there like...let me think....hmm...
an 5-1 card reader maybe that also reads SD? And who require an SD reader anyway,my camera does that for me! And what about if you have an nice memory stick or any other memory card?

And second who has the bright idea to reduce the memory of the Graphic card from 512 to 256?
I love to play games and dont wont the louzy share memory. Ok It's Mac and DDR3 but that just means that is not that louzy as pc laptops.

Hope at least the improved display to worth the money...
post #71 of 239
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post


Adoption of new formats takes time, and is BD catching on any slower than DVD did? If DVD adoption was even slower, do you consider that format to be a failure?



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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

No the two circumstances are entirely different. Its only BD supporters who are attempting to make them the same. When DVD was first introduced it was a revolutionary new product and had no real competition. BD is not revolutionary and has a lot of competition.

I would have to agree with TB here. I don't see how you can compare the DVD uptake with that of BD. Unless you look at it in terms of computers. How long after DVD was introduced did players start to show up in computers and laptops... 10 years? 15? I don't know. But it certainly wasn't until the technology had matured greatly and been accepted by much of the public. I don't really care, I am not arguing against BD BTO options, but it has no interest for me and I think for most people. (unscientific opinion, I know)
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How can you cite evidence for something that doesn't exist?

Well, there could be surveys that show 0.5% of prospective laptop buyers consider BD BTO options important in making their decision. It is possible. Or you could even point to the fact that BD supporters have no evidence that masses of people care enough to pay exorbident fees...
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post #72 of 239
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this is OVERWHELMING pretty good over all

iPhone OS 3.0 on time
iPhone 3Gs on time
Snow Leopard on time
Snow Leopard Cheaper - $29

$1699 15" MacBook Pro - it will be cheaper with edu and some discount sites
4GB standard on most of the machines

pretty good indeed ...

on the blu ray - i already given up on that so not a disappointment

NOW apple update the iMac come september with Snow Leopard - done deal.

Agreed 100%. Good news, and solid execution, all around.

In addition, the stock remains flat (in a flat market) despite the fact that SJ did not make an appearance. Could the the curse of the SJ-put be finally over!?

All in all, I am both a pleased customer and pleased stockholder.
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...Good news, and solid execution, all around.
All in all, I am both a pleased customer and pleased stockholder.

AAPL gained nearly 72% from its $83 52-week low so far.

Share the wealth man.
post #74 of 239
Removing Expresscard from the 15" is a mistake but was probably necessary to fit the built in battery, which I don't mind at all.
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I bet if Apple offered a blu-ray drive it would be pretty damn expensive. It would have to be an ultra-thin slot loading drive. Those aren't cheap by any means. You better want to watch movies on your laptop pretty bad! Other than watching movies, blu-ray is practically useless. If they also had a blu-ray burner in the same drive it may be useful for people using video/DVD editing apps.



Exactly!

Does anyone really care about Blu-ray, I say this because the majority of blu-ray that I have purchased come with a digital copy which gives you the movie from itunes for free. So is it a big deal for movie watchers.

I can see for storage however there are not a ton of people storing data on blu-ray I am speaking for the people I have seen.
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The article lists the 15 inch MBP as having a Firewire 800 port, which is fine. It also says that the 17 inch has a Firewire 800 port that supports Firewire 400. There is another article announcing the 13" MacBook Pro (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...book_airs.html), which also apparently has a FW 800 port that supports FW 400. So, does the FW port in the 15 inch machine support FW 400?

-- 15.4-inch widescreen LED-backlit 1440 x 900 glossy display;
-- 2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 3MB shared L2 cache;
-- 1066 MHz front-side bus;
-- 4GB 1066 MHz DDR3 SDRAM, expandable to 8GB;
-- NVIDIA GeForce 9400M integrated graphics;
-- 250GB serial ATA hard drive running at 5400 rpm, with Sudden Motion Sensor;
-- a slot-load 8X SuperDrive with double-layer support (DVD+/-R DL/DVD+/-RW/CD-RW) optical drive;
-- Mini DisplayPort for video output (adapters sold separately);
-- built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11n wireless networking and Bluetooth 2.1+EDR;
-- Gigabit Ethernet port;
-- built-in iSight video camera;
-- two USB 2.0 ports;
-- one FireWire 800 port;
-- SD card slot;
-- one audio line in and one audio line out port, each supporting both optical digital and analog;
-- glass Multi-Touch trackpad and illuminated keyboard;
-- built-in, 73WHr lithium polymer battery; and
-- 60 Watt MagSafe Power Adapter.



-- 13.3-inch widescreen LED-backlit 1280 x 800 glossy display;
-- 2.26 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 3MB shared L2 cache;
-- 1066 MHz front-side bus;
-- 2GB 1066 MHz DDR3 SDRAM, expandable to 8GB;
-- NVIDIA GeForce 9400M integrated graphics;
-- 160GB serial ATA hard drive running at 5400 rpm, with Sudden Motion Sensor;
-- a slot-load 8X SuperDrive(R) with double-layer support (DVD+/-R DL/DVD+/-RW/CD-RW) optical drive;
-- Mini DisplayPort for video output (adapters sold separately);
-- built-in AirPort Extreme(R) 802.11n wireless networking and Bluetooth 2.1+EDR;
-- Gigabit Ethernet port;
-- built-in iSight(R) video camera;
-- two USB 2.0 ports;
-- one FireWire 800 port (FireWire 400 compatible);
-- SD card slot;
-- one audio line in/out port, supporting both optical digital and analog;
-- glass Multi-Touch trackpad and illuminated keyboard;
-- built-in, 58WHr lithium polymer battery; and
-- 60 Watt MagSafe(R) Power Adapter.
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post #77 of 239
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I would agree a bad choice for the high end, but not for the low end models.



He most likely means the pro ones, examples: Canon 5D Mk II & 1Ds III, Nikon D700 & D3, among others. Those that you mentioned are consumer models.

Okay... not sure where the cutoff is between "consumer" and "pro" anymore, but the most expensive camera that Canon makes ($8000) can take both CF and SD/SDHC:

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...elTechSpecsAct
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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

Not sure what you consider "better", as everyone has their preferences. Canon appears to be making the switch right now with their latest new SLR:
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=18385

Nikon's latest SLR, the D5000, also just went SD/SDHC:
http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Ni...452/D5000.html

By "better" I mean the models above the entry level models.
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Well, there could be surveys that show 0.5% of prospective laptop buyers consider BD BTO options important in making their decision. It is possible. Or you could even point to the fact that BD supporters have no evidence that masses of people care enough to pay exorbident fees...

Apple doesn't do surveys.

The only evidence for BD that I have for PC laptops is that I've read (I didn't save the pages though) that laptops with BD are selling well.
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I would have to agree with TB here. I don't see how you can compare the DVD uptake with that of BD. Unless you look at it in terms of computers. How long after DVD was introduced did players start to show up in computers and laptops... 10 years? 15? I don't know. But it certainly wasn't until the technology had matured greatly and been accepted by much of the public.

DVD's first shipped in 1997, and there were power macs with DVD in 1998 and iMacs with it in 1999.

The first BD shipped about 3 years ago, June 2006 meaning three years so far with no support from Apple.
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