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In truth any apple user in there right mind would never buy a mac without fire wire.

WTF are you on? Seriously?

In the few years I've had my Mac I've never used, nor had to use, firewire. I couldn't even point to the port.

I am happy for all the people that do use it and do want it and have got it back, but let's not delude ourselves here - firewire is a non-issue for a ridiculous amount of people. There is no need to call people crazy or insane because they couldn't care less about a they don't use.
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Im just saying that the old Macbook 13" with the 9400M was one of the most powerful 13" laptops out there. It outperformed the Sony SR, the Sony Z and the Lenovo models.

Now the Sony SR is twice as fast as the macbook. (because of the 4570)

It is just a fact. The Macbook 13" went from being Top-of-the-line to being half as fast.

And at the same time they added the "pro" name.


This is not for gaming only, but for "pro" 3D applications, and i guess all the Open CL stuff.

Why do we give a shit about the Sony?
We want a Mac that runs OS X, not a Windoze machine.

Go away and buy your Sony, troll.
post #203 of 225
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"Wrote this on another forum"

Having bought my non Firewire non SD slot non Macbook "Pro" ...13" Macbook (aluminium) in March I now have a Laptop thats worthless.

Ok update the RAM, Hard Drive, Processor but giving it a new name "Pro" after 6 months and put in Firewire after saying its dead for so long Djeeesssssss

You could have at least given something to the poor sods that trusted you and bought the aluminium Macbook when it came out

Thanks Apple

What an idiot!

Does the computer you bought not do all things it did when you bought it?
Have Apple magically removed some functions without you noticing?
Has it stopped working?
Do you thing that computers will never get updated / improved / cheaper?
Does the name really make a difference? Or are we just talking about your bragging rights?
Grow up and try living in the real world!
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Originally Posted by iPoster View Post

Having to disassemble the case isn't exactly user friendly for most people. Personally I keep my machines until they are beyond the point of being upgradeable to remain useful; my iMac is from 2003, the PC is from 2005 and my last laptop was a K6 HP Pavilion that I had long enough that I went through 3 batteries (older technology of course) and just passed it on to a friend recently.

It is just a minor quibble that wouldn't stop me from buying one. My understanding is that this battery type is relatively new technology and there is no telling how long they will actually last. That is what I was concerned about. Obviously if there is a defect or recall it should be covered under warranty.

You may never need a battery in the new machines.
They give 1000 charges before they start to decrease their capacity.
They are not dead after 1000 charges, so even after 5 years you can still be getting 80% battery capacity. If you want to replace it then it will still cost you less than the 3 batteries you would buy with the old technology!
post #205 of 225
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Originally Posted by greglo View Post

WTF are you on? Seriously?

In the few years I've had my Mac I've never used, nor had to use, firewire. I couldn't even point to the port.

I am happy for all the people that do use it and do want it and have got it back, but let's not delude ourselves here - firewire is a non-issue for a ridiculous amount of people. There is no need to call people crazy or insane because they couldn't care less about a they don't use.

I never said crazy or insane. Even if you never used fire wire before just being there affords you great power. Many of us here remember 4 hr DATA TRANSFERS with usb. And with firewire its 17 minutes. And god forbid your mac dies. I would swoop in with my mac and my firewire wire and turn your mac on from my mac under slave control.> target disc mode>. TRY that with usb.

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I wish there were published specs from Apple that actually stated what TFT LCD display type is used in the different MacBooks/MacBookPros. And similarly, what display type the iMac uses in its different models, for that matter.

Good background info from your link.Thx.
Also see: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles...chnologies.htm
and: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD

I know the Apple build philosophy seems to be: never tell 'em what hardware is really inside -- re. HD, CD/DVD, LCD kind/manufacturers. Though they make an exception for the big interest items of CPU and GPU, obviously.

But I keep hoping for some way to find out the truth of what LCD panels are in the various Macs.
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post #207 of 225
Upgradeable to 8G? Lots of resource there, for me. I think I may see a 13-inch MBP in my future, like SOON!
post #208 of 225
Just saw and played with these 13" babies. I need one now- I am salivating.
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Originally Posted by rnb2 View Post

JFC, people, we're talking about computers! They're obsolete when you buy them!

Computers perhaps, but not necessarily technologies.

With the Unibody MacBooks Apple effectively pulled the rug out from under many people's feet.

The decision was a massive mistake on Apple's part. Judging from some posts on Apple's mailing lists even manufacturers were not made aware of the decision to remove FW on those Macs and as a result some products were jeopardised. What made things worse was Apple's failure to explain the logic behind the decision (barring Steve Jobs supposed email two liner, which if authentic, is a kick in the teeth to the people that use firewire).

In software, when Apple decides to phase out an API it normally gives programmers ample time to work around the future removal of the API. They should do the same with manufacturers when it comes to technological change. Firewire as a technology should be phased out when firewire accessories become scarce and then wait a couple of years at that before removing it from macs. A lot of people have invested heavily in the technology, buying into Apple's own support of the bus. Given the support shown by users and manufacturers alike, Apple should declare its roadmap for firewire. It has nothing to lose by doing this.

As it is, a lot of damage has already been done by its refusal to make things clear over the last seven months. There is absolutely no justification for that silence and we don't know how many boardroom decisions were made during those seven months on possible future firewire products by third parties.

In the past Apple had a clear stance. They wanted us to use firewire and for manufacturers to pay the licence fees (that last point was a huge mistake). Now, it's anybody's guess. Is support for FW3200 planned, for example.

We can put this episode alongside others that demonstrate that Apple has the unique ability of constantly shooting itself in the foot with negative results for users - just look at the unnecessary frustration caused by the move to USB. Now, that's IRONIC.
post #210 of 225
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Originally Posted by Avon B7 View Post

Computers perhaps, but not necessarily technologies.

With the Unibody MacBooks Apple effectively pulled the rug out from under many people's feet.

The decision was a massive mistake on Apple's part. Judging from some posts on Apple's mailing lists even manufacturers were not made aware of the decision to remove FW on those Macs and as a result some products were jeopardised. What made things worse was Apple's failure to explain the logic behind the decision (barring Steve Jobs supposed email two liner, which if authentic, is a kick in the teeth to the people that use firewire).

In software, when Apple decides to phase out an API it normally gives programmers ample time to work around the future removal of the API. They should do the same with manufacturers when it comes to technological change. Firewire as a technology should be phased out when firewire accessories become scarce and then wait a couple of years at that before removing it from macs. A lot of people have invested heavily in the technology, buying into Apple's own support of the bus. Given the support shown by users and manufacturers alike, Apple should declare its roadmap for firewire. It has nothing to lose by doing this.

As it is, a lot of damage has already been done by its refusal to make things clear over the last seven months. There is absolutely no justification for that silence and we don't know how many boardroom decisions were made during those seven months on possible future firewire products by third parties.

In the past Apple had a clear stance. They wanted us to use firewire and for manufacturers to pay the licence fees (that last point was a huge mistake). Now, it's anybody's guess. Is support for FW3200 planned, for example.

We can put this episode alongside others that demonstrate that Apple has the unique ability of constantly shooting itself in the foot with negative results for users - just look at the unnecessary frustration caused by the move to USB. Now, that's IRONIC.

Good news you company is saved. APPLE INC. will put fire wire on every computer as of this past monday. yay
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post #211 of 225
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In the past Apple had a clear stance. They wanted us to use firewire and for manufacturers to pay the licence fees (that last point was a huge mistake). Now, it's anybody's guess. Is support for FW3200 planned, for example.

Agreed. Apple could still turn this around. As I have stated elsewhere on the board, Apple only need look at their policy of licensing and either drastically reduce licensing fees for the FW800 standard or get rid of such fees altogether. In doing so they could encourage peripheral/PC manufacturers to include the port while making the average consumer aware of the benefits of FireWire over USB thus giving momentum to further FireWire standards development. In simple terms... give the masses a free taster, advertise the benefits and reap the rewards further down the line.
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Anyone have a quick suggestion on firewire 400 to 800 link (cable or otherwise)? I have some Macs and external HDs with one and not the other.
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Anyone have a quick suggestion on firewire 400 to 800 link (cable or otherwise)? I have some Macs and external HDs with one and not the other.

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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

$4.96 6ft

IVE often wondered about that too
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Just saw and played with these 13" babies. I need one now- I am salivating.

me too!!!!
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IVE often wondered about that too


What the hell happened with that? Let me retry

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post #217 of 225
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Anyone have a quick suggestion on firewire 400 to 800 link (cable or otherwise)? I have some Macs and external HDs with one and not the other.

The cable link posted is for a mini-FW400 to FW800 cable.
(edit: ) here is one from same vendor for 6-pin FW400 to 9-pin FW800 cable. http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Other options, and which work better for me, for external FW400 (6-pin) devices to plug into new FW800 ports (9-pin) on the various new MacBooks, Minis, iMacs:

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/fw_adapter.html - Adapter $15 from Sonnett, $12 or so from Amazon and others. Because it is an FW800 male plug/FW400 female socket adapter device , it allows you to use your existing FW400 device cables.

http://www.cwol.com/firewire/firewir...94b-cables.htm - Cable with FW800 (male) one end, FW400 (male) other end. $10.

Since I already have a ton of FW400 cables, I will probably get one or several of the Sonnet adapters... (I wonder if they discount for multiple... )
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Does anyone know which processor Apple uses in the new 13" MaBook Pros? The 25w P9500, or the 35w T9400? Or neither of them? Although the 9500 is more expensive it would seem to offer the advantages of less heat (imagine, a laptop you could actually use on your lap), and longer battery life.

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Does anyone know which processor Apple uses in the new 13" MaBook Pros? The 25w P9500, or the 35w T9400? Or neither of them? Although the 9500 is more expensive it would seem to offer the advantages of less heat (imagine, a laptop you could actually use on your lap), and longer battery life.

I cant be certain as its a new revision, but Apple was using the 35W CPUs even when the 25W counterparts were available. Id wager its still the same. If you go to an Apple Store and install Geekbench it will tell you the CPU model.
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Does anyone know which processor Apple uses in the new 13" MaBook Pros? The 25w P9500, or the 35w T9400? Or neither of them? Although the 9500 is more expensive it would seem to offer the advantages of less heat (imagine, a laptop you could actually use on your lap), and longer battery life.

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Apple uses P8400 and P8800 in 13" MBP
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Does anyone know which processor Apple uses in the new 13" MaBook Pros? The 25w P9500, or the 35w T9400? Or neither of them? Although the 9500 is more expensive it would seem to offer the advantages of less heat (imagine, a laptop you could actually use on your lap), and longer battery life.

According to the Everymac site http://www.everymac.com/systems/appl...acbookpro.html, they use :

MacBook Pro "Core 2 Duo" 2.26 13" (SD/FW) (MB990LL/A) - 2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo (P8400)

MacBook Pro "Core 2 Duo" 2.53 13" (SD/FW) (MB991LL/A) - 2.53 GHz Core 2 Duo (P8700)

BTW, I've been using and referring to the EveryMac site for years for good info and comparisons.
Also the MacTracker, which is an application program is another great ref (though I think MacTracker is not yet updated with the early June MBP models). http://mactracker.dreamhosters.com/

The Apple spec page of course does not tell you what CPU model number it uses. \ http://support.apple.com/kb/SP541
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According to the Everymac site http://www.everymac.com/systems/appl...acbookpro.html, they use :

MacBook Pro "Core 2 Duo" 2.26 13" (SD/FW) (MB990LL/A) - 2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo (P8400)

MacBook Pro "Core 2 Duo" 2.53 13" (SD/FW) (MB991LL/A) - 2.53 GHz Core 2 Duo (P8700)

BTW, I've been using and referring to the EveryMac site for years for good info and comparisons.
Also the MacTracker, which is an application program is another great ref (though I think MacTracker is not yet updated with the early June MBP models). http://mactracker.dreamhosters.com/

The Apple spec page of course does not tell you what CPU model number it uses. \ http://support.apple.com/kb/SP541

Apple will never tell you unless its a high-end machine like the Xserve or Mac Pro, and even then I wouldnt count on it.

I often refer to Intels price list, which is updated monthly, but it often doesnt show new processors that Apple and other use before they are made available to all.
http://www.intc.com/priceList.cfm If you have the current Mac or are at an Apple Store you can always install GeekBench, which will tell you the model number. Its what I often use in lieu of CPU-Z if I am running Windows, though CPU-Z offers a lot more info.

MacTracker is always well behind on their updates. Id think it would take no more than a day or two to get the updates in place, especially when they are just incremental.
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Thanks Bruce Young, and to you too hmurchison for the initial effort.
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I just bought a 2GHz MacBook in February, but I'm going to buy a new 13" MBP when 10.6 releases, if not sooner. The added features are worth it to me, and will allow me to gift the current machine to my sister and her family. My brother-in-law works for an auto supplier outside Detroit, so times are tough for them, and I bought the MB with money I inherited from my great aunt, so it seems like a good arrangement.

The new 13" MBP looks like a fantastic machine. My only quandary is whether to buy the 128GB SSD option, or spend a couple hundred extra on a 160GB Intel SSD aftermarket upgrade. I have an 80GB Intel SSD in my MB now, but was going to buy the Intel 160 for more space and move the 80GB to my Mac Pro as a system drive. Hmmmm...........

Try this guys http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...300&name=160GB I got my self a 128GB G.SKILL Falcon.
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