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post #201 of 264
6/8/09 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by bigpics View Post

Stunning? Remains to be seen in the real world.

Pixel count = Quality? A vast oversimplification of the factors involved in taking high quality

You could have saved a lot of writing, that wasn't what was meant. "=/=" is a keyboard-friendly and cross text encoding standard symbol that means not equal to: ≠.
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post #202 of 264
6/8/09 at 4:58pm
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Stunning? Remains to be seen in the real world.

Pixel count = Quality? A vast oversimplification of the factors involved in taking high quality pictures. While it is true that all other factors being equal, more pixels = more resolution, all other factors are seldom equal. For example, the great majority of compact 12 Megapixel point and shoots don't take nearly as good pics as 8 Megapixel DSLR's.

Lens quality is telling. The materials used, the size of the lens itself (light gathering capacity) and much more. E.g., for one thing, you inherently have much less control of "depth of field" in any compact P&S.

And then there's the metering/exposure systems, the recording software, the sensor itself (not all pixel-recording surfaces are created equal) and more. Pixel count, therefore, while not entirely irrelevant, is really only this year's CPU GHz marketing tool for those who don't know a great deal about what makes a good camera and a good picture-taking system.

Meanwhile, I have what I think is an interesting tech question about the camera feature.....

...iPhone OS 3 allows interfacing other hardware to the phone. Having had a number of flashless cellphone cameras which are nearly useless (inside because they're not sensitive enough for regular indoor lighting, and outside because the viewfinder washes out so much you can't see what you're photographing), I'm wondering if someone could offer a flash (not Flash) peripheral for indoor photography, i.e., a tiny little clip on flash attachment.

That alone would lead to much better photographs all around, especially with good software allowing control over fill flash, degree of flash, diffusion, etc. And I think push me over the edge to buy.

Heh, that was a LOT of writing to repeat what the OP had said. He didn't say pixel count = quality, he said "PIXEL COUNT=/=QUALITY"

Which is to say - "pixel count does not equal quality"
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post #203 of 264
6/8/09 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by Lukeskymac View Post

Just jump off a cliff and die already... We don't need ultra-whiners and thieves on this forum.

Why don't you wait until you've been here for more than two months before telling anyone what to do? And, hacking your phone makes you a thief?

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And there is more, THE 3GS HAS A FASTER PROCESSOR, MORE RAM

What are you basing this on, a dream you had? Apple hasn't mentioned either upgrade.

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There, I hope this makes you less of a troll, or at least convinces you to get your ass outta here.

Maybe he can take you with him.

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post #204 of 264
6/8/09 at 5:07pm
Man with the uproar the AT&T upgrade pricing, imagine the chaos when they announce the Rogers version.

Rogers / Fido is ten times worse than AT&T. Then again they are the only HSPA provider in Canada...but not for long
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post #205 of 264
6/8/09 at 5:14pm
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I would love for AI and all the other big Mac sites out there to hold AT&T's feet to the fire re: delays in MMS (until "late summer") and tethering (assuming they will offer that at all). It's really obnoxious.

No, I will hold Apple's feet to the fire. They need to roll out the iPhone on Verizon. This will give more customers access to the phone and force AT&T to offer these features. We all win accept AT&T. Damnit I want my iPhone and I want it on Verizon. They screwed up by passing on the iPhone the first time but they have better service and customer service and more users.
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post #206 of 264
6/8/09 at 5:16pm
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Man with the uproar the AT&T upgrade pricing, imagine the chaos when they announce the Rogers version.

Rogers / Fido is ten times worse than AT&T. Then again they are the only HSPA provider in Canada...but not for long

Could you elaborate?
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post #207 of 264
6/8/09 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Contact Apple for your answers. If you can't grasp that OpenCL on a second GPU will benefit the entire OS and its applications base then please seriously contact Apple.

Are both chips on at the same time ?
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post #208 of 264
6/8/09 at 5:29pm
Overall it is a solid upgrade. I cannot wait till someone tears it apart and determines whether there's an upgraded CPU/GPU in there.

Some things that would have be nice to have:

1) Front-facing camera under the glass for iChat AV.
2) A flash/light for the dark places we all visit
3) A higher megapixel camera
4) An OLED display

Some kudos to Apple:

1) cut, copy, and paste
2) video and editing capabilities
3) voice navigation
4) $99 iPhone (now if AT&T would make good on a cheaper data plan)
5) iPhone OS in general
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post #209 of 264
6/8/09 at 5:34pm
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Are both chips on at the same time ?

Currently, no. There is a toggle switch in System Preferences that you can choose one or the other, but the you have to restart to make the change. Hopefully they make it so you can change them dynamically and use both in conjunction for more performance.
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post #210 of 264
6/8/09 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by majortom1981 View Post

Heck couldn't they offer a small clip on camera with little zoom lens that clips onto the back of the iphone and connects to the 30pin connector?

After watching the keynote - and learning the remote device/embedded software combo also works across bluetooth, you could go nuts actually.

one example: remotely triggered self-powered strobe or even multiple strobe slave lighting setups would let you place the flash (or accessory camera or....??) anywhere within 30 feet.

control of light - which is the real essence of photography - is the most powerful part of the picture-making process and will help extract whatever quality the iPhone camera is capable of.

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You could have saved a lot of writing, that wasn't what was meant. "=/=" is a keyboard-friendly and cross text encoding standard symbol that means not equal to: ≠.

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Heh, that was a LOT of writing to repeat what the OP had said. He didn't say pixel count = quality, he said "PIXEL COUNT=/=QUALITY"

Which is to say - "pixel count does not equal quality"

Well 'scuse me for not knowing that symbol, but I assure you lots of people on this thread have little idea of what goes into making a good camera. So as a photographer, just trying to empower people a little beyond the megapixel myth.

Since his post was meant to be sarcastic with lots of caps and flourishes I figured that was another. I don't even know if he actually meant the camera was 'stunning' either, but some will believe it's Hasselblad quality if it's announced from the mothership. It's probably a nice to very nice cell phone cam. But it's only a cell phone cam and subject to the limitations of the tech and the laws of physics, and folks should temper their expectations accordingly.

So, yeah, I admit to being verbose, but only about things I know something about and which are worth knowing for people who are interested in the topic. Personally, I thought I was pretty succinct for a topic that can and does fill many books.

You may all now return to repetitive endless war stories and opinions on AT&T upgrade pricing.

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post #211 of 264
6/8/09 at 8:40pm
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Does anyone know what processor is in the new 3Gs? Is it the same cortex processor that is in the pre?

I don't know and truely would like to know. I don't think it can be a Cortex only processor as existing code isn't based on the Cortex instruction set from what I understand. For all we know it could be another ARM 11 running a lot faster or something from marvel.

Apples web site is silent on what is in the GS so I suspect a cover up. Of course this is a paper release so maybe they are waiting for real hardware.
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What about RAM? Would like to see more tech specs..

You got that right. I hope we don't have to wait a week and a half for somebody to tear the unit apart.


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post #212 of 264
6/8/09 at 8:42pm
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I'm surprised they didn't change the look at least a little, in part to shake things up a bit and so it's more apparent whether it's the new model or not.

I agree. I was expecting a small design difference to indicate it's the new model. It makes me wonder if this is Apple's way of saying this is just a minor revision and wait until next summer for the big one.

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post #213 of 264
6/8/09 at 8:47pm
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That is actually impressive that no case changes were needed. I guess all the old parts and new parts were pretty easy to place. I am looking forward to seeing it dissected.

You are a dumb blind sheep. It's the same fricking case with a compass.
Quit defending Apple with no basis.

You don't know what the RAM is, You don't know what processor it uses, you don't know what the real world battery use is.

It's the same fricking case with a compass as far as you know.

That's all it is until you have the specs on the phone. Yes it is just a phone (with a compass).

I get lost hiking all the time, this is going to be a great feature for me.

I lost my phone, I pay Apple $99 for mobile vista and I can erase it. That is wrong.
If I lost my phone I should be able to call AT&T and say stop service and wipe my phone I have personal data on it.

The 3GS is a joke for an upgrade and the upgrade cost is a joke as well for those that have been faithful to apple since day 1 of the iPhone.
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post #214 of 264
6/8/09 at 9:21pm
Any chance we could just go straight to re-banning this guy without have to live with his bitter invective for a while?

We all know where this is going, it would save time.

By the way, is it just me, or are the "you Apple people make me sick" crowd growing ever more bilious and unhinged? There seems to be an ever increasing tone of almost pathological loathing.

Not sure what accounts for it. Apple's recent successes? The failure of Apple users to have the decency to be struck dead? Tinfoil shortage?
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post #215 of 264
6/8/09 at 10:08pm
The VGA 30fps video is nice. Any one have a phone that bests or matches it? If so, what codecs does it record in, what Mpx is the camera, what phone is it, and, IYO, how good is the quality?


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You don't know what the RAM is, You don't know what processor it use.

I dont know what it is, but i certainly know what its not. I can make educated guesses as to what it probably is and be assured as to what it isnt. Your inability to not see what is obvious is endearing. Not everyone can be a thinking man in this world or the fries will never get cooked.


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Any chance we could just go straight to re-banning this guy without have to live with his bitter invective for a while?

We all know where this is going, it would save time.

By the way, is it just me, or are the "you Apple people make me sick" crowd growing ever more bilious and unhinged? There seems to be an ever increasing tone of almost pathological loathing.

Not sure what accounts for it. Apple's recent successes? The failure of Apple users to have the decency to be struck dead? Tinfoil shortage?

Hes like Teckstud on crystal meth. Cant help but laugh at it all. As many people as i confer with in public I never seem to run into these people outside of this forum. Though I do stay away from Digg, Engadget, Gizmodo and other such forums so perhaps these are just the throwbacks and probably what a decent forum has to deal with from time to time.
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post #216 of 264
6/8/09 at 10:54pm
ive heard something about a "finger print" reducing back. what are the chances that it is also just as scratch proof (like the film they put on Blu-Ray discs?)

i guess i could always just order one of the ones that come as a sticker and you apply yourself... but those cost like $20 and its hard to get it on there without bubbles...
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post #217 of 264
6/9/09 at 12:12am
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You are a dumb blind sheep. It's the same fricking case with a compass.
Quit defending Apple with no basis.

You don't know what the RAM is, You don't know what processor it uses, you don't know what the real world battery use is.

It's the same fricking case with a compass as far as you know.

That's all it is until you have the specs on the phone. Yes it is just a phone (with a compass).

I get lost hiking all the time, this is going to be a great feature for me.

I lost my phone, I pay Apple $99 for mobile vista and I can erase it. That is wrong.
If I lost my phone I should be able to call AT&T and say stop service and wipe my phone I have personal data on it.

The 3GS is a joke for an upgrade and the upgrade cost is a joke as well for those that have been faithful to apple since day 1 of the iPhone.

1. The speed comparison they provided is a very strong indicator of an improved processor and more ram. We will know for sure soon enough, but it is almost a sure thing as of now.
2. Same case and compass? A higher quality camera is new hardware is it not? Ignoring facts is a common but not effective argument.
3. Can you ask AT&T to wipe any other phone? Why do you hold the iPhone to a different standard? After all it is "just a phone, with a compass". Adding features to mobile me is a good thing, the service is better with the auto locate and auto wipe features.
4. How can you say the iPhone 3G S is a joke of an upgrade when you don't even know its specs, and haven't tried it out yourself? Seriously what do you expect from a phone upgrade. What happens when a computer model is upgraded? Mostly just hard drive, ram, and processor upgrade. Expect phones to go the same way, it is unreasonable to expect a plethora of newfangled features every year.
5. The upgrade costs are not any more expensive than with any other phone. Expect to pay a lot of money for a phone if you break the contract less than a year into it, as the cost of your phone is subsidized by the carrier.

For every "blind sheep" there is someone like you that is completely out of touch with reality the other way, blinded by some sort of rage that I don't understand.
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post #218 of 264
6/9/09 at 12:59am
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I don't see why no one has suggested that this is an interim upgrade to get the OS 3.0 out on upgraded hardware guts, while leaving upgraded exterior for a later date (this year). I think Apple will wait maybe 3-6 more months and then upgrade again, once the kinks have been worked out in the OS.

Because 3-6 months are too short for a project involving hardware modifications. And it's just not possible to launch first some intermediate releases of hardware and then the final one.

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post #219 of 264
6/9/09 at 2:47am
So, what's the iPhone missing now?

http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=217800170

Apparently one of them is anti-virus (on page 2)!

Really?
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post #220 of 264
6/9/09 at 3:31am
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So, what's the iPhone missing now?

http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=217800170

Apparently one of them is anti-virus (on page 2)!

Really?

The guy they quote as having grim misgivings over whether business will stick "the security standards they've established for 30 years" or throw caution to the wind and put themselves "at the mercy of Apple to improve the security because they refuse to open it up to a free market solution" just happens to be CTO of a mobile security "solutions" company, who of course make their living warning anyone who will listen that they'll be overrun if they avail themselves of a particular "free market solution."
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post #221 of 264
6/9/09 at 4:15am
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Come on, WTF man, give it to us the same time as the Americans FFS.

We are getting the new iPhone on the same day as the US.
In fact we will have MMS and Teathering before the USA.
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post #222 of 264
6/9/09 at 4:30am
Just got mail from Apple Japan... the 3GS goes on sale here on June 26 and current 3G users can upgrade. Awesome. Tethering! Video!

Didn't see costs, so will ask tomorrow at a shop.

Merry Christmas!


Edit: cost is 2000 yen or about 20 bucks!

 

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post #223 of 264
6/9/09 at 4:31am
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Some trivial questions:
I have a jailbroken iphone 3G that records video with cycorder; if it can do it why doesn't apple support it on OS3.0?? -->> TO SELL US AN IPHONE 3GS
I have an iphone 3G with an underclocked arm proccessor (600->400mhz), why don't they put it at full speed as in ipod touch 2.0?? -->> TO SELL US AN IPHONE 3GS
If you have an iphone 3G, What do you have to do now? -->> INSTALL OS3.0, JAILBRAKE IT, INSTALL CYCORDER, WAIT FOR OVERCLOCKING PATCH.

The only real news are the compass, the 3mp autofocus camera and maybe 256mb of ram. The rest are software Limitations. Let hackers work...

Apple are a business not a charity - grow up!

Apple have continued to provide new features to owners of iPhones and are doing it yet again with 3.0 - all for FREE.

When you bought the iPhone you knew what it could do and not do.
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6/9/09 at 4:43am
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Some trivial questions:
I have a jailbroken iphone 3G that records video with cycorder; if it can do it why doesn't apple support it on OS3.0?? -->> TO SELL US AN IPHONE 3GS
I have an iphone 3G with an underclocked arm proccessor (600->400mhz), why don't they put it at full speed as in ipod touch 2.0?? -->> TO SELL US AN IPHONE 3GS
If you have an iphone 3G, What do you have to do now? -->> INSTALL OS3.0, JAILBRAKE IT, INSTALL CYCORDER, WAIT FOR OVERCLOCKING PATCH.

The only real news are the compass, the 3mp autofocus camera and maybe 256mb of ram. The rest are software Limitations. Let hackers work...

It's not so simple. Apple doesn't update the Touch the same time they do a major update on the phone. iPhone 1- no touch, Touch introduced three months later. iPhone 2, no Touch update, updated three months later. iPhone 3: no Touch. Can you see the pattern here? What should you expect to see three months from now?

If the Apple haters can't pick up on a pattern like that, then you're just going to be angry, making up half baked conspiracy theories and being angry for months at a time.

As for the video, we'll see if it's just software that was holding Apple back. It seems to me that they probably have a hardware video compressor and maybe a camera that can take photos faster than 15 times a second. The current/previous iPhone can record video, but it is pretty nasty. Hopefully the next one takes video that's tolerable. It seems like they should allow video on the old models, as long as there is a disclaimer about battery life. But I don't know if video is a compelling enough feature to make it worth the upgrade.

Please stop doing the all caps lines too.
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6/9/09 at 6:42am
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Because 3-6 months are too short for a project involving hardware modifications. And it's just not possible to launch first some intermediate releases of hardware and then the final one.

Gee I wonder if maybe Apple could have two teams working on the task at the same time?

After all, a new OS is a big job! Apple probably needs 1-2 years to do it after they stop updating Leopard. Once that get that final Leopard update out the door in a few weeks, I hope they take those programmers and get them started working on Snow Leopard.
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6/9/09 at 6:47am
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Some trivial questions:
I have a jailbroken iphone 3G that records video with cycorder; if it can do it why doesn't apple support it on OS3.0?? -->> TO SELL US AN IPHONE 3GS
I have an iphone 3G with an underclocked arm proccessor (600->400mhz), why don't they put it at full speed as in ipod touch 2.0?? -->> TO SELL US AN IPHONE 3GS
If you have an iphone 3G, What do you have to do now? -->> INSTALL OS3.0, JAILBRAKE IT, INSTALL CYCORDER, WAIT FOR OVERCLOCKING PATCH.

The only real news are the compass, the 3mp autofocus camera and maybe 256mb of ram. The rest are software Limitations. Let hackers work...

Trivial questions that youve appended conspiracy answers too. Have you asked yourself why Apple would even bother with supplying all iPhone with any updates, muchless free ones if their goal was simply to sell more iPhone? Have you asked yourself why the video in old iPhone is very poor while the 3G[s] can do VGA@30fps? Have you asked yourself why Apple has incremented the clock speed when it was acheivebal;e while maintaining battery life?
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post #227 of 264
6/9/09 at 6:52am
so how much does an old 16g 3G cost unlocked now?
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6/9/09 at 8:00am
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If I were you I'd go right away to complain on a web site. Yeah, that should fix the problem!

Oh wait.... after that doesn't work, you might call ATT.


Strange, I got mine on launch day and I'm eligible for the discounted price. I'd just wait until the 19th and go to an AT&T store (not Apple). At the AT&T store you can haggle with the manager and say look, it expires in a month, I can either come back in a month or you can sell me the phone now - the data package is $10 more a month and you didn't subsidize this phone in the first place. Chances are the manager (eager to meet sales figures) will give you the discount. If you check out AT&T's page it always has the little bit about how eligibility may vary by location (i.e. a manager can hook you up if you're on the fence).
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6/9/09 at 8:04am
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Because 3-6 months are too short for a project involving hardware modifications. And it's just not possible to launch first some intermediate releases of hardware and then the final one.

If they do anything I'll bet a price drop ($79, $169, $249) for the Holiday season. If we've learned anything from the past it's that Apple isn't very likely to dish out a new iPhone twice a year but they are likely to change prices between releases.
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6/9/09 at 8:11am
Also, a quick FYI - the 3G doesn't support Voice Control as per apple's site...

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...ne?mco=MTE2OTU
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6/9/09 at 8:25am
Anybody else notice this?

"Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating"

Looks like we're getting a new coating on the 3Gs - hopefully it does what it's supposed to do...
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6/9/09 at 8:42am
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Also, a quick FYI - the 3G doesn't support Voice Control as per apple's site...

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...ne?mco=MTE2OTU

I installed it and checked. Perhaps it like the headphone controls where a different physical Home Button chip is required. Personally I would have preferred the voice controls on the side of the device as the Home Button is a bit awkward while in my hands or in my pocket, but you take what you can get.
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6/9/09 at 9:25am
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I installed it and checked. Perhaps it like the headphone controls where a different physical Home Button chip is required. Personally I would have preferred the voice controls on the side of the device as the Home Button is a bit awkward while in my hands or in my pocket, but you take what you can get.

+1 - Generally when holding my phone my fingers are on the side, not the bottom so a voice control button on the side where my fingers naturally reside would be better but, ya know, at least we got something out of it and it should make driving + iPhoning much, much safer (now if I only I could have texts read to me and be able to dictate them back!)

EDIT: Did you try using the center button on the headphones? Maybe you just need the new headphones?
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6/9/09 at 9:44am
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EDIT: Did you try using the center button on the headphones? Maybe you just need the new headphones?

I have been using Apples new in-earphones since last year.
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6/9/09 at 10:03am
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If they do anything I'll bet a price drop ($79, $169, $249) for the Holiday season. If we've learned anything from the past it's that Apple isn't very likely to dish out a new iPhone twice a year but they are likely to change prices between releases.

How about a new (say... matte finish) case to inspire new buyers?
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6/9/09 at 10:14am
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How about a new (say... matte finish) case to inspire new buyers?

Oh if they do that I'm going to get on here a bitch and moan like crazy that I can't just void my 2 year contract because the new ones look snazzier!!
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6/9/09 at 10:15am
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I have been using Apples new in-earphones since last year.

Are they worth it? I was thinking about them when they came out and saw they didn't really work with my 2G iPhone and said heck w/ it...
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post #238 of 264
6/9/09 at 10:24am
I've read through, and I think pretty much all good points have been made, and all bad points that I could imagine, and even I couldn't have been made.

I like it when people are realistic. I think we can all agree that while this new version isn't a GIANT LEAP, it is a pretty good jump lol. The phone doesn't suck by any means, but it also isn't the most amazing thing ever either.

Out of all of this, the 99$ 3G is the best news. The video recording with editing is also the other thing that stands out.

Anyone who says the 3GS is no good is retarded. Anyone who says the 3GS is the most revolutionary thing ever is retarded. The 3GS is a good step in the right direction, period.

my 2 cents
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post #239 of 264
6/9/09 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

I've read through, and I think pretty much all good points have been made, and all bad points that I could imagine, and even I couldn't have been made.

I like it when people are realistic. I think we can all agree that while this new version isn't a GIANT LEAP, it is a pretty good jump lol. The phone doesn't suck by any means, but it also isn't the most amazing thing ever either.

Out of all of this, the 99$ 3G is the best news. The video recording with editing is also the other thing that stands out.

Anyone who says the 3GS is no good is retarded. Anyone who says the 3GS is the most revolutionary thing ever is retarded. The 3GS is a good step in the right direction, period.

my 2 cents

Well the 3Gs is enough to get me to upgrade from my 2G (like what they say on cnet). If you don't have an iPhone or you have a 2G it's a worthwhile upgrade - if you have a 3G it probably isn't until the price comes down but, at least for me personally, I'm planning on sticking to the 2 year refresh rate just as I did with my old cell phone.
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post #240 of 264
6/9/09 at 12:08pm
There has to be a hardware change. Apple stated they added opel gl /es 2.0 support . So you would need new video processing support for that.

So I am guessing that the hardware in the iphone 3gs was changed but they are waiting till they can refresh the ipod touch to announce the changes.
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