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Verizon doesn't have an iPhone so I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Verizon surely has had V1 of a phone followed by a V2? RAZR, for instance? Care to check on what their policies were?
post #162 of 430
For me, It's 17 months. I bought the 3G on launch day, 7/12. Same day I started my line with AT&T.

But I get this:




I have never been late on a bill or anything. It's pretty lame to have to wait to upgrade, but mine seems to be longer than anyone else I've seen or know.
post #163 of 430
I'm not getting the 3GS, I'm going to ride the 3G out till next years model.

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I dont care either way. Im going to get a new one in 11 days regardless. Waiting 2 moths of 6 months of 9 months isnt worth forking out $200 more for something I want.
post #164 of 430
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For me, It's 17 months. I bought the 3G on launch day, 7/12. Same day I started my line with AT&T.

But I get this:




I have never been late on a bill or anything. It's pretty lame to have to wait to upgrade, but mine seems to be longer than anyone else I've seen or know.

That seems to be the case for me too. I switched from Verizon to AT&T in August last year and now they say only in March 2010 I can upgrade it under the subsidized pricing. Not doing it, specially knowing few months later a new version might be in the works.
I want to do it in August when I complete one year anniversary.
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post #165 of 430
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Cameronj, I dont think the average US citizen makes more than about $80 a day, I think.

Actually, (s)he makes more.

Annual US per capita income is about $46,000, so assuming 250 working days, it comes out to $184 per day. (Since that includes everyone, working adults make more, perhaps twice as much).
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Yeah, after I posted that I did the math and realized that I should have said iPhone user instead of US citizen. I do think the average American makes probably over $100 a day (at least the average American WORKER, which sadly is becoming more and more hard to find). The USA's per capita income, which I think excludes children and retirees, is 40K, which is around $20 per hour based on a 40 hour work week/2000 hour work year.

The $46,000 number includes every documented American (incl. children and retirees).
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The $46,000 number includes every documented American (incl. children and retirees).

Yeah? I stand corrected - always nice since it means I was right from the beginning!
post #168 of 430
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Actually, (s)he makes more.

Annual US per capita income is about $46,000, so assuming 250 working days, it comes out to $184 per day. (Since that includes everyone, working adults make more, perhaps twice as much).

Interesting, I would have thought that to be the average household income.
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post #169 of 430
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It is, because if you had, you'd have a little more understanding of why a company wouldn't want it's customers to have such a clear idea of the hierarchy that the business puts them into.

Condescension is rude, even in a forum such as this. When someone doesn't understand something, what's most appreciated is simply an explanation, not an unprovoked attitude. But judging from several of your other posts, I gather it's just a part of your personality.

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I certainly wouldn't want my clients knowing the thought process that goes through my head when the phone rings and I decide whether to (A) answer it right then, (B) check the voicemail asap and reply then, or (C) check the VM when I have the time and get back to them only then.

I'm sure all business owners prioritize and categorize their clients in some way, but your example of responding to client calls doesn't exactly fit the scenario we're discussing regarding AT&T's customers' seemingly random upgrade qualification dates.

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I'll help you then.

Thanks, much appreciated!

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ATT uses the following criteria (in no particular order) to decide who is a more favored customer than whom:

Average monthly revenue generated (higher is better)
Average monthly profit generated (higher is better)
Reliability of monthly payments (higher is better)
Duration of history from which these figures are drawn (longer is better)

There you go!

Thanks. That all makes sense and is seemingly obvious even without a phone call to AT&T to have them spell those things out. The problem is that several posters here report that they meet all those "higher/longer-is-better" criteria and still have upgrade qualification dates of December 2009 or later. There just seems to be a general opacity to AT&T's methodology that to me, and others, seems arbitrary. It certainly appears inconsistent, or at the very least not entirely in keeping with your explanation.

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There are of course some mistakes, and the beauty of it is, one can call ATT and bring the mistake to its attention. If it truly is a mistake, ATT can correct it.

True enough.

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No amount of complaining on a message board is going to correct it, though.

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post #170 of 430
I got my iPhone replaced under warranty by Apple in March, and that apparently resulted in a new two year contract. Does that seem odd to anyone else??

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I got my iPhone replaced under warranty by Apple in March, and that apparently resulted in a new two year contract. Does that seem odd to anyone else??


You've been had.
post #172 of 430
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I got my iPhone replaced under warranty by Apple in March, and that apparently resulted in a new two year contract. Does that seem odd to anyone else??


I got mine replaced under warranty a couple months back as well, and it didn't result in a new two-year contract. Did you confirm this with AT&T?

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post #173 of 430
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So you people must just be incredibly fortunate to have so much money to even CONSIDER buying a new phone in such a short period of time. It makes me wonder why you care what price they're gonna charge you, being as how you are so cavalierly throwing your money around anyway.

I guess some people just got it like that. Must be nice.

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post #174 of 430
OK... here's what I got when I tried to find out my upgrade date. I purchased the 2 iPhone 3G's on launch day. I'm trying to figure out what price I will pay when I upgrade in July..???? I'm guessing the Apple site prices? What's confusing, 1 site says standard upgrade and the other says early upgrade...

From Apple's website:






From AT&T website:


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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Interesting, I would have thought that to be the average household income.

Ah, but the distribution of this income is yet another story, altogether.....
post #176 of 430
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Originally Posted by Multimedia View Post

No. Last year existing iPhone customers were able to upgrade to the iPhone 3G for the same price as new customers - no early adopter penalty. The $200 penalty for existing contract holders is INSANE and UNFAIR.

I think I misread something. Come to think of it, after having a year's worth of service, it seems that an additional $100 would have been a more realistic upgrade price. But given that AT&T us paying a lot in kickbacks to Apple to the point that (IIRC) they have a warning in their 10Q about this, they might not be able to afford that. The subsidies are rumored to be a lot higher than normal phones.
post #177 of 430
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Originally Posted by saarek View Post

Doubt O2 will rip off the UK users like AT&T does to it's customers.

Actually someone is ripping off someone!

This year's rates.

Tariff ------- £29.38
3G -- 8GB --- £96.89
3G S 16GB -- £184.98
3G S 32GB -- £274.23

Last year's rates!
post #178 of 430
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Originally Posted by BWhaler View Post

I have been an AT&T customer since the early 90's--almost 20 years.

But I bet because of the network issues, the flubbed launches, tethering, MMS, and now this, in 2011 I will be using my iPhone 4G on the Verizon network.

There is no way that Apple privately is happy with AT&T. No way.

I got that impression a few times while watching Phil's Keynote today.
post #179 of 430
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Originally Posted by poochie543 View Post

I signed a 2 year contract with my iphone last July, but for some reason, the ATT site says I can upgrade on 12/22/2009. What's the deal?

I had to wait until August for my Sprint contract to expire, and it's telling me January
post #180 of 430
I saw a lot of questions as to why different people had different eligibility for discounts. This was posted at Mac Rumors and explains which customers get upgrade eligibility when.

Not all Cingular/AT&T customers may qualify for a cell phone upgrade. At this time, AT&T Mobility allows these customers to upgrade with no upgrade fee when they commit to a new 2-year contract:

* AT&T customers who have had 24 months of cell phone service since activation of their cell phone or since their last phone upgrade.

Certain AT&T customers may be eligible for a cell phone upgrade even if they have been in their current plan for less than two years (24 months), if they commit to a new 2-year contract and meet these eligibility requirements:

* Customer has had a standard calling plan plus data services costing at least $68.99 a month but no more than $98.99 a month, and who has been in contract (and not had a phone upgrade) for 21 months or more,
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* Customer has had a standard calling plan plus data services costing $99 a month or more, and who has been in contract (and not upgraded) in the last 12 months.

A customer with a calling plan and data services of less than $69 who is 21 to 23 months into contract may upgrade for a fee and a commitment of an additional two-year service contract extension. No upgrade fee is assessed for any customers who are on a month-to-month agreement.

Note that AT&T upgrade eligibility may be further limited based on customers usage history, payment record, previous phone replacement, etc. Upgrade eligibility is solely determined by AT&T Mobility at its discretion.
post #181 of 430
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I talked to an AT&T Manager in Sacramento right after the Keynote and he says the upgrade policy hasn't been decided yet and that last year everyone was able to upgrade with a new contract for the same price as all new customers. So I am not convinced this $200 premium will be in effect by next Friday. If it is I'm with you on early cancelation and new contract. Why spend another $25 above the early cancellation $175 penalty? That's why I don't think they will keep the $200 higher charge to upgrade rather than deal with a bunch of canceled agreements. \No. Last year existing iPhone customers were able to upgrade to the iPhone 3G for the same price as new customers - no early adopter penalty. The $200 penalty for existing contract holders is INSANE and UNFAIR.

I just put in my information at apple.com and was told as a valued customer I could pay $299 dollars for the 3G(S) phone. Or I could wait until the end of December for a regular upgrade. What a horrible way to show appreciation for valued customers! I think this will come back to bite both Apple/ATT. Sure there are folks that will pay the 200 for the early upgrade, but not as many. I see the share price in apple going down in the next week or so once the apple followers realize it will cost to upgrade early. The only reason they could be doing this is to not have all the apple loyalist buy the new phone and slow the system down at ATT, since the 3G(S) is stated to be 2X faster. As mentioned with the tethering capability, ATT has this with other smartphones, but cannot accomedate a mass rush of IPhone users who will definitely use the tether capability. Instead they slow those loyal to the apple brand so as not to overload the system.
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The length of this thread speaks volumes...
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post #183 of 430
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I got mine replaced under warranty a couple months back as well, and it didn't result in a new two-year contract. Did you confirm this with AT&T?

I will call them tomorrow, but I wont have the money by July anyway though I surely will before March!
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I see youve worked for the same corporations I have.

Ditto!
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I just called AT&T (611) and they said I will have to wait til July 12th to get my new iPhone 3GS at reg 199/299 price. It also said that on the site.

I waited in line overnight for the 3G and was a new customer on July 11th 2008, so I am ONLY about a year into my contract. Never missed a payment or had my iphone replaced.

EVERYONE CALL AT&T and ask a real person... you may just have to wait til July 12th!

The "https://buyiphone.apple.com" site says:

As a valued AT&T customer, AT&T can offer you an early iPhone upgrade with a new 2-yr commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. You may qualify for a standard iPhone upgrade on 07/12/2009.


Standard iPhone Upgrade? --- this means I can pay the extra 200 to get it on launch day, or wait til July 12, 2009 and get it for 299.

I will just wait!!!

I AM HAPPY... save 200 bucks and only 1 month behind!
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post #186 of 430
As a 3g owner I just have a few questions for thought
1. How much does anyone think a great condition used 16gb 3G would sell for, and does that curve anyones thoughts on getting the new 3G-S?
2. Because apple is still making original 3G's wouldnt it be smart to offer discounts or something for trade-ins towards the new iPhones and in return apple takes the parts for future phones or refurbished ones?
3. I'm just a little confused about the new iPhone and video mms-ing. Because the new iPhone goes on sale next week but mms including video mms won't be capable until "later this summer" shouldn't apple give discounts to iPhone 3G-S buyers until mms is capable or are they to just aimlessly wait until it's services are randomly capable?

Let me know what you think and please don't bash me, just offering my thoughts.
post #187 of 430
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Originally Posted by DanaCameron View Post

your condescending tone isn't necessary.

I think perhaps you are being way too sensitive for an Apple rumor forum, but to each their own.

On the other hand, if you can find me a good condescending ring tone, I would love to be able to use it on my iPhone 3G S.
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I just called AT&T (611) and they said I will have to wait til July 12th to get my new iPhone 3GS at reg 199/299 price. It also said that on the site.

I waited in line overnight for the 3G and was a new customer on July 11th 2008, so I am ONLY about a year into my contract. Never missed a payment or had my iphone replaced.

EVERYONE CALL AT&T and ask a real person... you may just have to wait til July 12th!

The "https://buyiphone.apple.com" site says:

As a valued AT&T customer, AT&T can offer you an early iPhone upgrade with a new 2-yr commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. You may qualify for a standard iPhone upgrade on 07/12/2009.


Standard iPhone Upgrade? --- this means I can pay the extra 200 to get it on launch day, or wait til July 12, 2009 and get it for 299.

I will just wait!!!

I AM HAPPY... save 200 bucks and only 1 month behind!


Can I ask how much your monthly plan is? People are getting different answers to when they can update without fees and I think that is a major factor.
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Originally Posted by DarkZephix View Post

I just called AT&T (611) and they said I will have to wait til July 12th to get my new iPhone 3GS at reg 199/299 price. It also said that on the site.

I waited in line overnight for the 3G and was a new customer on July 11th 2008, so I am ONLY about a year into my contract. Never missed a payment or had my iphone replaced.

EVERYONE CALL AT&T and ask a real person... you may just have to wait til July 12th!

The "https://buyiphone.apple.com" site says:

As a valued AT&T customer, AT&T can offer you an early iPhone upgrade with a new 2-yr commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. You may qualify for a standard iPhone upgrade on 07/12/2009.


Standard iPhone Upgrade? --- this means I can pay the extra 200 to get it on launch day, or wait til July 12, 2009 and get it for 299.

I will just wait!!!

I AM HAPPY... save 200 bucks and only 1 month behind!

That's the same thing my ATT screen shows and Apples schreen shows. When i called ATT, they had no clue what I was talking about....
post #190 of 430
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Originally Posted by Multimedia View Post

I talked to an AT&T Manager in Sacramento right after the Keynote and he says the upgrade policy hasn't been decided yet and that last year everyone was able to upgrade with a new contract for the same price as all new customers. So I am not convinced this $200 premium will be in effect by next Friday. If it is I'm with you on early cancelation and new contract. Why spend another $25 above the early cancellation $175 penalty? That's why I don't think they will keep the $200 higher charge to upgrade rather than deal with a bunch of canceled agreements. \No. Last year existing iPhone customers were able to upgrade to the iPhone 3G for the same price as new customers - no early adopter penalty. The $200 penalty for existing contract holders is INSANE and UNFAIR.

Also, AT&T has a pro-rated early termination fee, meaning that each month you're in your cell phone contract, $5 is taken off the $175 ETF, essentially bringing down the cost to cancel to $120 (assuming you bought the iPhone 3G in July, when it came out last year.)

$120<$200? Yeah, I'd rather cancel and get another plan.
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Originally Posted by DarkZephix View Post

I just called AT&T (611) and they said I will have to wait til July 12th to get my new iPhone 3GS at reg 199/299 price. It also said that on the site.

I waited in line overnight for the 3G and was a new customer on July 11th 2008, so I am ONLY about a year into my contract. Never missed a payment or had my iphone replaced.

EVERYONE CALL AT&T and ask a real person... you may just have to wait til July 12th!

The "https://buyiphone.apple.com" site says:

As a valued AT&T customer, AT&T can offer you an early iPhone upgrade with a new 2-yr commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. You may qualify for a standard iPhone upgrade on 07/12/2009.


Standard iPhone Upgrade? --- this means I can pay the extra 200 to get it on launch day, or wait til July 12, 2009 and get it for 299.

I will just wait!!!

I AM HAPPY... save 200 bucks and only 1 month behind!


Crap. That means I may actually have to wait until 12/12/09... even though I bought my phone on the same day as you, and my bill has been over $100 dollars every month with no late or missed payments. FML
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Crap. That means I may actually have to wait until 12/12/09... even though I bought my phone on the same day as you, and my bill has been over $100 dollars every month with no late or missed payments. FML

Ya... my brother in NC is in the same shoes. He got it the same day and has that same date. I wonder why that is.

I got on a family plan with my wife, we both bought 3g's, then she downgraded to a 2g... i wonder if that has something to do with it.
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Has anyone compared iPhone contracts in Europe to those offered in the US by AT&T? The 3GS hasn't been announced yet, but Orange in France offers the 8 GB 3G for 99 euros (which is really the psychological equivalent of $99) and the 16 GB model for 129 euros. Again, this was true BEFORE Apple announced the 3GS. Now onto the plans.



Look at the 47 euro plan (again, for the French, it's really the equivalent of $47). You get:

- 2 h of talk time to anyone
- unused minutes roll over to the following month
- unlimited talk time to 3 Orange subscribers
- unlimited data
- 10 SMS per month included

Right now, as a promotion, they're taking off an additional 3 euros per month! And you can pay 10% more per month in exchange for only a 12-month commitment.

And before anyone balks at the relatively short monthly talk time allowance, bear in mind that in Europe, received calls don't count toward your talk time, nor does voicemail checking.

Does anyone else think we're getting screwed in the US?
post #194 of 430
I believe... if you go threw the site:

https://buyiphone.apple.com

..imput your info... and it says 07.12.09 ...you can get the iPhone 3GS at new customer prices then.
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Then how do you explain the others who also bought their iPhones on July 12 and are eligible for discounted pricing on July 12? They've posted pictures from Apple's upgrade site that prove it. What's more, December 12, 2009 is 17 months from July 12, 2009, so even that isn't 18 months.

If you're on a family plan, and you aren't the main line on the plan, then your upgrade date is pushed back because at&t isn't making as much money from your line as it is from the main line on the plan; I spoke to an at&t rep today about it.
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Crap. That means I may actually have to wait until 12/12/09... even though I bought my phone on the same day as you, and my bill has been over $100 dollars every month with no late or missed payments. FML

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That's the same thing my ATT screen shows and Apples schreen shows. When i called ATT, they had no clue what I was talking about....

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Has anyone compared iPhone contracts in Europe to those offered in the US by AT&T? The 3GS hasn't been announced yet, but Orange in France offers the 8 GB 3G for 99 euros (which is really the psychological equivalent of $99) and the 16 GB model for $129. Again, this was true BEFORE Apple announced the 3GS. Now onto the plans.



Look at the 47 euro plan (again, for the French, it's really the equivalent of $47). You get:

- 2 h of talk time to anyone
- unused minutes roll over to the following month
- unlimited talk time to 3 Orange subscribers
- unlimited data
- 10 SMS per month included

Right now, as a promotion, they're taking off an additional 3 euros per month! And you can pay 10% more per month in exchange for only a 12-month commitment.

And before anyone balks at the relatively short monthly talk time allowance, bear in mind that in Europe, received calls don't count toward your talk time, nor does voicemail checking.

Does anyone else think we're getting screwed in the US?

10 SMS? That is like one conversation. Haha
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post #197 of 430
Just got off the phone with ATT. The guy I just spoke to was very informative and gave great news for those of us who were early adapters with on-time payments and such.

On July 11, 2009, I WILL be able to upgrade to the new 3GS for the same subsidized price that a new customer will pay.. ie: 199,299 (16gb,32Gb, respectively).

HOWEVER, my 2nd 3g phone on my account, wont be able to upgrade until March 2010.

I asked him to doube check and make sure his information is correct and he told me that he was just handed the info and read it pretty much word for word.

For those of you with different dates, I asked him why that would be so, since some were purchased on the same day and he said it is determined by several factors, a couple being, payment history, legnth of service.

Good news for me I guess.


My original; post.OK... here's what I got when I tried to find out my upgrade date. I purchased the 2 iPhone 3G's on launch day. I'm trying to figure out what price I will pay when I upgrade in July..???? I'm guessing the Apple site prices? What's confusing, 1 site says standard upgrade and the other says early upgrade...

From Apple's website: (These prices indicate if I was to order before my July 11th date. NOT what the price will be after July 11th.)






From AT&T website:







I Hope this helps some of the confusion around here...
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If you're on a family plan, and you aren't the main line on the plan, then your upgrade date is pushed back because at&t isn't making as much money from your line as it is from the main line on the plan; I spoke to an at&t rep today about it.



My account comes up with an upgrade of 12/12/09, and I'm on my own plan, by myself. No one else. Zero. How do you explain that?
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@jdrew

That is weird... my wife's 2g is upgradable right now... and my 3g is upgradable on 7.12.09 ...weird. March 2010... wtf?

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Here is my situation: we were both new customers to AT&T when the iPhone 3g came out....

My iPhone 3g (i bought on launch):




My wife's iPhone 2g (she bought the 3g on launch... but bought a 2g on ebay (and sold her 3g on ebay) to save on the data plan):




...weird huh.... my wife can upgrade now for reg 299.99 price... and I have to wait til July 12th to get the 299.99 price.
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