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post #241 of 430
Can anyone in this thread count? Anyone?

Your contract with AT&T is TWO years. Understood? 1 + 1 = 2 years.

AT&T has decided to offer subsidized pricing to ALL iPhone customers of 1 year or more. This is not required, expected, or even necessary given the TWO year contract you signed.

AT&T may be a horrible company (they are, I assure you), but give credit where its due. All 3G owners will be eligible for subsidy halfway through their contract. Unlike Verizon, or Sprint, or any other U.S. carrier.
post #242 of 430
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

Why do iPhone owners, with a 2 year contract, think they can get the new iPhone at the cheap rate after 1 year? Just because you waited in a ridiculous line last year or whatever does not give you any free ride. Why do you think you should be treated any differently than any other cellphone purchaser anywhere with a 2 year contract?
You can't blame AT&T on this one. Maybe Apple should have waited until next year to release it instead. I wondered last year how you all got away with that deal. You've all been spoiled.

The reason is simple. This is a new policy to them. The most devoted and loyal iPhone customers, the ones that were in line for the last 2 years in a row to own the latest offering are now being thanked for their patronage being told that they have to pay a premium to do the same thing the third year. Many companies offer consumer loyalty bonuses, but in this case, consumer loyalty puts them in the back of the line, unless they want to pay extra.

I was one of them. I couldn't wait to place my order yesterday, but was shocked and dissappointed to be told I had to wait or pay nearly double the price shown at the bottom of the order page. I honestly have a hard time stomaching paying $218 more than the advertised price (sans fine print) for the same product, just because I was already a big fan and was in line the last 2 years for the release.

One other thing that a lot of us have forgotten is that when the original iphone was released and we stood in line for hours to get it, we paid $599 for it. Then within 2 months, they dropped the price by $200 and people were outraged. In fact the public outrage was so great that Apple ended up coming back to lighten that blow by giving us a $100 gift card.
post #243 of 430
Our situation is odd. Bought a 3G in late July as an upgrade from a 1G bought on 12/26 2007.
My wife uses the 2G. We cut her over in January 2009.

The upgrade Date on my phone reads 8/15/2009. Possibly 1 year
Hers reads 12/26/2009. 2 years.


One thing I have wondered is if folks with 1G Iphones can be upgraded as a service request. In our case, it seems as if the Edge network has gotten much slower in our area since last July when I was using the 1G Iphone. For her, it is glacially slow.
post #244 of 430
I just want to encourage everyone to write in to apple about their egregious upgrade pricing for existing customers. $500, $600, $700 for an upgrade to the 3gs.

sjobs@apple.com
post #245 of 430
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Can anyone in this thread count? Anyone?

Your contract with AT&T is TWO years. Understood? 1 + 1 = 2 years.

AT&T has decided to offer subsidized pricing to ALL iPhone customers of 1 year or more. This is not required, expected, or even necessary given the TWO year contract you signed.

AT&T may be a horrible company (they are, I assure you), but give credit where its due. All 3G owners will be eligible for subsidy halfway through their contract. Unlike Verizon, or Sprint, or any other U.S. carrier.

Verizon after 18 months- plus a $50 credit.
post #246 of 430
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Originally Posted by moofrank View Post

Our situation is odd. Bought a 3G in late July as an upgrade from a 1G bought on 12/26 2007.
My wife uses the 2G. We cut her over in January 2009.

The upgrade Date on my phone reads 8/15/2009. Possibly 1 year
Hers reads 12/26/2009. 2 years.


One thing I have wondered is if folks with 1G Iphones can be upgraded as a service request. In our case, it seems as if the Edge network has gotten much slower in our area since last July when I was using the 1G Iphone. For her, it is glacially slow.

There eligibility dates do seem odd as I have two iPhone 3Gs (little s indicating more than one) on my account yet the one bought earlier has an upgrade eligibility date 4 months after the one I bought a week or two later.

Im sure they will do something after the main rush but after they have gotten sufficient payback from their iPhone 3G subsidization. Remember that the original iPhone wasnt subsidized and that this type of year-over-year demand is new for a cell company.

I stated last year when the new iPhone came out that a 1 year subsidization would be more ideal foe me since I update my phone yearly. Personally, Id rather pay for the device up front if they also allowed for a lower plan to compensate for that. As it stands now, the cancelation fee is far cheaper than the $400 additional you pay for an out-of-contract iPhone.
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post #247 of 430
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Originally Posted by Boogerman2000 View Post

I just want to encourage everyone to write in to apple about their egregious upgrade pricing for existing customers. $500, $600, $700 for an upgrade to the 3gs.

sjobs@apple.com

You arent upgrading it, you are buying a whole new device. Regardless of who you are the device has a retail cost. If you have chosen to subsidize your phone through a carrier, your carrier will likely not budge until they make their money back plus some profit. Why this is so hard to understand when this is SOP.
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post #248 of 430
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Originally Posted by lilgunther View Post

The reason is simple. This is a new policy to them. The most devoted and loyal iPhone customers, the ones that were in line for the last 2 years in a row to own the latest offering are now being thanked for their patronage being told that they have to pay a premium to do the same thing the third year. Many companies offer consumer loyalty bonuses, but in this case, consumer loyalty puts them in the back of the line, unless they want to pay extra.

I was one of them. I couldn't wait to place my order yesterday, but was shocked and dissappointed to be told I had to wait or pay nearly double the price shown at the bottom of the order page. I honestly have a hard time stomaching paying $218 more than the advertised price (sans fine print) for the same product, just because I was already a big fan and was in line the last 2 years for the release.

One other thing that a lot of us have forgotten is that when the original iphone was released and we stood in line for hours to get it, we paid $599 for it. Then within 2 months, they dropped the price by $200 and people were outraged. In fact the public outrage was so great that Apple ended up coming back to lighten that blow by giving us a $100 gift card.

While I understand your pain , you still are not getting that AT&T is not the company making the iPhone. They are not obligated to give you a break. Perhaps Apple is but not AT&T. AT&T has continually provided bad service and connectivity- why would you now expect them to give you a price break under 2 years? Apple knew this was going to happen. They should have either waited to release new iPhone or eaten the costs themselves for a new one- not AT&T.
post #249 of 430
This is a big slap in the face of existing loyal customers. I can only hope they back down on this as they did in prior years, but it seems that they so only after loud complaining as they did in the lower price refund gen 1 iphone debacle, and I do agree that Apple takes the lead and the blame on this one.
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post #250 of 430
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Can anyone in this thread count? Anyone?

Your contract with AT&T is TWO years. Understood? 1 + 1 = 2 years.

AT&T has decided to offer subsidized pricing to ALL iPhone customers of 1 year or more. This is not required, expected, or even necessary given the TWO year contract you signed.

AT&T may be a horrible company (they are, I assure you), but give credit where its due. All 3G owners will be eligible for subsidy halfway through their contract. Unlike Verizon, or Sprint, or any other U.S. carrier.

With all due respect. It's not really about counting as it is "new math".

Old Math 2 yr contract - 1 yr completed + new 2 yr contract = new customer price

New Math 2 yr contract - 1 yr completed + new 2 yr contract = new customer price + $218

Last year we were able to sign a new two year contract and get the same advertised price as new customers. This year those numbers have changed and we can get the same price 6 months later.
post #251 of 430
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Originally Posted by lilgunther View Post

With all due respect. It's not really about counting as it is "new math".

Old Math 2 yr contract - 1 yr completed + new 2 yr contract = new customer price

New Math 2 yr contract - 1 yr completed + new 2 yr contract = new customer price + $218

Last year we were able to sign a new two year contract and get the same advertised price as new customers. This year those numbers have changed and we can get the same price 6 months later.

That's because last year's and this year's prices are subsidized. You must pay to play- like any other phone now!
HELLO??
post #252 of 430
(I posted this on Apple's Discussion Boards)

I understand all this talk about the 3GS costing more if you're in the middle of your subsidized plan, but based on my situation I question this:

I bought the 3G iPhone shortly after it was released. Then I decided to get a FamilyTalk plan and give my partner my original (non-subsidized) iPhone. Yesterday I rushed to the online Apple Store to buy (2) 32GB 3GS and was given prices of $699 for mine and $499 for my partner. $499 to upgrade an original iPhone! I called AT&T this morning - they couldn't explain this - they said that's just the way it is.

This really is a bad situation and I also hold Apple accountable. They knew that loyal customers would be frustrated that the iPhone upgrade cycle would be totally out of sync with service plan commitments. This unique phone should have a more unique service plan - one that is customer friendly and doesn't take all the fun out of otherwise exciting new product announcements. That was probably Apple's original idea with the full-price 1G iPhone, but when they switched to subsidized plans they should have negotiated something like 1-yr commitments, or prorated upgrades (well, maybe that's what they call the $499 32GB price?)
post #253 of 430
i bought two 3g phones the first day they were out. when i logged in to both the apple site and my att acct they both state i'm eligible for upgrading.

i was just able to order a 32gb 3gs on att's site for $299 + $18 with free shipping! hope it shows up asap



post #254 of 430
AT&T clearly doesn't quite have their act together here yet.

The AT&T website doesn't show the discounted prices for 3G phones. Talking to a customer rep tells me that this should be up on Friday.

It also tells me: (both of these things).

You are not eligible to upgrade at a discounted price due to your length of service. However, you may still purchase a phone/device at the full price.

You are eligible for an early upgrade to an iPhone at a reduced discount.
post #255 of 430
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

While I understand your pain , you still are not getting that AT&T is not the company making the iPhone. They are not obligated to give you a break. Perhaps Apple is but not AT&T. AT&T has continually provided bad service and connectivity- why would you now expect them to give you a price break under 2 years? Apple knew this was going to happen. They should have either waited to release new iPhone or eaten the costs themselves for a new one- not AT&T.

I agree that AT&T service is continually a problem. I was laughingly waiting to hear something in the release announcement that the iPhone 3gs would work better as an actual phone. Admittedly, the 3G often drops calls and has less than stellar sound when it does actually connect. My 2G had much better sound quality and fewer dropped calls. I have never seen a definitive answer if it is the phone, AT&T's 3G service or the combination of the 2.

That being said, I still love my 3G iphone with all of it's infinite possibilities and wanted to do the same thing I did last year and be amoung the first to own the new offering.

I understand many other phones are subsidized; however, surely you will agree with me in recognizing the fact that this is a subsidized phone is played down and in fact rarely mentioned until time of purchase. If you walk into any cell phone store you see two clearly marked prices on most phones. They clearly show a full purchase price and the subsidized contract price.

Perhaps if they hadn't continually released information showing one price structure for the iPhone, this feeling of ill will and feeling like the loyal customers are all of all of sudden being penalized would have been softened.

This change in upgrade policy is not just on AT&T. After a series of phone calls to both companies this morning that included a lot of finger pointing, I finally had an upper tier supervisor with Apple (what ever that means) tell me that it is part of a mutual agreement made between AT&T and Apple.

I am not asking for something for free. I don't have a problem signing the new 2 year contract, but I was really taken aback yesterday when I found out I had to pay so much more that the advertised price.

I have to wonder who they think are the people that are the first in line each year? I wonder what would happen if all the 3G owners actually really waited out the 18months before buying one. Would there be the frenzy of new purchases they heartily enjoyed the last two years on the release date?
post #256 of 430
What this amounts to is the fact that you want the new phone but you don't want to pay for it.

Without subsidies and without contracts the full retail price of the iPhone 3G S is $599 for the 16GB and $699 for the 32GB. This is the true price of the phone.

AT&T is willing to subsidize $200 to give current iPhone users a new contract. That really isn't a bad deal.

The $199/$299 price point is really to intended attract new iPhone users, its not really intended for current iPhone users.


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Originally Posted by abernathy View Post

This really is a bad situation and I also hold Apple accountable. They knew that loyal customers would be frustrated that the iPhone upgrade cycle would be totally out of sync with service plan commitments. This unique phone should have a more unique service plan - one that is customer friendly and doesn't take all the fun out of otherwise exciting new product announcements. That was probably Apple's original idea with the full-price 1G iPhone, but when they switched to subsidized plans they should have negotiated something like 1-yr commitments, or prorated upgrades (well, maybe that's what they call the $499 32GB price?)
post #257 of 430
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Can anyone in this thread count? Anyone?

Your contract with AT&T is TWO years. Understood? 1 + 1 = 2 years.

AT&T has decided to offer subsidized pricing to ALL iPhone customers of 1 year or more. This is not required, expected, or even necessary given the TWO year contract you signed.

AT&T may be a horrible company (they are, I assure you), but give credit where its due. All 3G owners will be eligible for subsidy halfway through their contract. Unlike Verizon, or Sprint, or any other U.S. carrier.

I purchased the 1st Gen. iPhone on day 1 for $600. One year later I purchased the 2nd Gen.
3G iPhone on day 1 for $300 & they reset my plan to two years. I don't understand why they would
gouge me this time? Some say paying your bills late would be a factor but I pay my cell, home, &
DSL automatically with my credit card so I have never been late on my AT&T bill.
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post #258 of 430
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Originally Posted by lilgunther View Post

With all due respect. It's not really about counting as it is "new math".

Old Math 2 yr contract - 1 yr completed + new 2 yr contract = new customer price

New Math 2 yr contract - 1 yr completed + new 2 yr contract = new customer price + $218

Last year we were able to sign a new two year contract and get the same advertised price as new customers. This year those numbers have changed and we can get the same price 6 months later.

Expecting to get a new phone as if you don't still have a year left on the contract is a bit much. They never did promise that you would get the lowest price every year.

Just maybe, if enough people get huffy, I think a $100 upgrade fee above a new customer / completed contract fee might be a realistic expectation. As teck said, the first iPhone wasn't priced as a subsidized phone so laying the same expectation this time around is excessive. First Gen iPhone buyers paid $200 more for theirs than the 2nd gen buyers did.
post #259 of 430
Gizmodo does not feel your pain.

"So you bought your heavily subsidised iPhone 3G with a two-year contract and now you are upset because AT&T wants to charge you full price for the new iPhone 3GS, right? Well, stop whining. You have no arguments.

The fact is that the $199/$299 price tag for the iPhone is the result of AT&T's—or any other carrier, since the situation is the same all around the world—subsidy. Without subsidy—and tying you to a new two year contract—the iPhone is not different from something like the Nokia N97, which is $700 unlocked. Or the contract-free, unsubsidized iPhone 3G itself: The iPhone 3G costs $770 and $877 unlocked for the 8 and 16GB versions."


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post #260 of 430
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Originally Posted by rutiger View Post

i bought two 3g phones the first day they were out. when i logged in to both the apple site and my att acct they both state i'm eligible for upgrading.

i was just able to order a 32gb 3gs on att's site for $299 + $18 with free shipping! hope it shows up asap




Wow, wish I knew what was different. I bought my 3G the day after it came out last year and I just tried to order like you did, but was given the polite following message:

As a valued AT&T customer, AT&T can offer you an early iPhone upgrade with a new 2-yr commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. You may qualify for a standard iPhone upgrade on 12/13/2009.
$299.00* — 8GB iPhone 3G (black)
$399.00* — 16GB iPhone 3G S (black or white)
$499.00* — 32GB iPhone 3G S (black or white)
post #261 of 430
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Originally Posted by lilgunther View Post

I agree that AT&T service is continually a problem. I was laughingly waiting to hear something in the release announcement that the iPhone 3gs would work better as an actual phone. Admittedly, the 3G often drops calls and has less than stellar sound when it does actually connect. My 2G had much better sound quality and fewer dropped calls. I have never seen a definitive answer if it is the phone, AT&T's 3G service or the combination of the 2.

That being said, I still love my 3G iphone with all of it's infinite possibilities and wanted to do the same thing I did last year and be amoung the first to own the new offering.

I understand many other phones are subsidized; however, surely you will agree with me in recognizing the fact that this is a subsidized phone is played down and in fact rarely mentioned until time of purchase. If you walk into any cell phone store you see two clearly marked prices on most phones. They clearly show a full purchase price and the subsidized contract price.

Perhaps if they hadn't continually released information showing one price structure for the iPhone, this feeling of ill will and feeling like the loyal customers are all of all of sudden being penalized would have been softened.

This change in upgrade policy is not just on AT&T. After a series of phone calls to both companies this morning that included a lot of finger pointing, I finally had an upper tier supervisor with Apple (what ever that means) tell me that it is part of a mutual agreement made between AT&T and Apple.

I am not asking for something for free. I don't have a problem signing the new 2 year contract, but I was really taken aback yesterday when I found out I had to pay so much more that the advertised price.

I have to wonder who they think are the people that are the first in line each year? I wonder what would happen if all the 3G owners actually really waited out the 18months before buying one. Would there be the frenzy of new purchases they heartily enjoyed the last two years on the release date?

I totally agree with you. Why all the secrets on the subsidized priceing? Same thing with the FALSE advertising- "Half the Price". IT WAS SUBSIDIZED!
Having said that, the sales figures this quarter will be very strange as people have to actually wait AND WAIT.
post #262 of 430
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Originally Posted by lilgunther View Post

Wow, wish I knew what was different. I bought my 3G the day after it came out last year and I just tried to order like you did, but was given the polite following message:

As a valued AT&T customer, AT&T can offer you an early iPhone upgrade with a new 2-yr commitment and an $18 upgrade fee. You may qualify for a standard iPhone upgrade on 12/13/2009.
$299.00* 8GB iPhone 3G (black)
$399.00* 16GB iPhone 3G S (black or white)
$499.00* 32GB iPhone 3G S (black or white)

sell yours on ebay and use that $ to buy this
post #263 of 430
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Originally Posted by lilgunther View Post

I understand many other phones are subsidized; however, surely you will agree with me in recognizing the fact that this is a subsidized phone is played down and in fact rarely mentioned until time of purchase. If you walk into any cell phone store you see two clearly marked prices on most phones. They clearly show a full purchase price and the subsidized contract price.

No I don't agree with this at all. You'd have to be a "dumbass" to not understand $199/$299 were not the full price of the iPhone when the previous iPhone cost twice as much.

Quote:
Perhaps if they hadn't continually released information showing one price structure for the iPhone, this feeling of ill will and feeling like the loyal customers are all of all of sudden being penalized would have been softened.

AT&T lists in its information the fact that you mostly likely won't qualify for a new subsidized phone in the middle of your contract. This ill will comes from people who did not pay attention to what they were agreeing to. Also a sense of unrealistic entitlement.

Quote:
This change in upgrade policy is not just on AT&T. After a series of phone calls to both companies this morning that included a lot of finger pointing, I finally had an upper tier supervisor with Apple (what ever that means) tell me that it is part of a mutual agreement made between AT&T and Apple.

This is not a change in upgrade policy, this has always been the policy.

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I am not asking for something for free. I don't have a problem signing the new 2 year contract, but I was really taken aback yesterday when I found out I had to pay so much more that the advertised price.

The advertised price is with subsidy. In your AT&T contract it states that you may not be eligible for upgrade in the middle of your contract. If you do not understand this concept its not the fault of AT&T or Apple.
post #264 of 430
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Expecting to get a new phone as if you don't still have a year left on the contract is a bit much. They never did promise that you would get the lowest price every year.

Just maybe, if enough people get huffy, I think a $100 upgrade fee above a new customer / completed contract fee might be a realistic expectation. As teck said, the first iPhone wasn't priced as a subsidized phone so laying the same expectation this time around is excessive. First Gen iPhone buyers paid $200 more for theirs than the 2nd gen buyers did.

$100 would be easier to swallow than $200, but while it could have been in the fine print, I personally never saw anything showing that the phone was unsubsized the first round vs. a subsidized version the second round.

I simply was told to pay the $599 and sign a 2 yr contract. They dropped the price soon after, but again I saw nothing indicating it had anything with it being subsidized. I do recall there being a large public outcry about the drastic reduction so soon after so many people bit a larger bullet. That public outcry did indeed prompt the $100 giftcard; so, perhaps if we complain enough they will change this policy.

The same thing happened last year on the release date. Nothing was said, upfront, about it being subsidized...only that I simply had to sign a new 2 yr contract and pay the purchase price.
post #265 of 430
Its only a secret to you because you didn't read. Read your contract.

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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I totally agree with you. Why all the secrets on the subsidized priceing? Same thing with the FALSE advertising- "Half the Price". IT WAS SUBSIDIZED!
Having said that, the sales figures this quarter will be very strange as people have to actually wait AND WAIT.
post #266 of 430
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Originally Posted by abernathy View Post

(I posted this on Apple's Discussion Boards)

I understand all this talk about the 3GS costing more if you're in the middle of your subsidized plan, but based on my situation I question this:

I bought the 3G iPhone shortly after it was released. Then I decided to get a FamilyTalk plan and give my partner my original (non-subsidized) iPhone. Yesterday I rushed to the online Apple Store to buy (2) 32GB 3GS and was given prices of $699 for mine and $499 for my partner. $499 to upgrade an original iPhone! I called AT&T this morning - they couldn't explain this - they said that's just the way it is.

This really is a bad situation and I also hold Apple accountable. They knew that loyal customers would be frustrated that the iPhone upgrade cycle would be totally out of sync with service plan commitments. This unique phone should have a more unique service plan - one that is customer friendly and doesn't take all the fun out of otherwise exciting new product announcements. That was probably Apple's original idea with the full-price 1G iPhone, but when they switched to subsidized plans they should have negotiated something like 1-yr commitments, or prorated upgrades (well, maybe that's what they call the $499 32GB price?)

That isnt right. The original iPhone wasnt subsidized, which is part of the problem with people expecting AT&T will let them jump from an iPhone 3G to an iPhone 3G[s] after a year with no penalty like they did with the original iPhone.

Id go into a store directly and talk with a manager. You are under contract for that original iPhone for two years (unless you are doing month-to-month which would make this a really big gaffe) but itsa profit sharing model. Im certain you can get this worked out as its AT&Ts best interests to get you on the more expensive plan. Have you missed any payments?

PS: I wonder if the people complaining about not be eligible for an update after 11 months of subsidization are the same ones that shot down the profit sharing model Apple imposed with the original iPhone. Its too bad that it didnt work out because Apple would have only been paid each month for the devices use so AT&T would have had no problem getting you into a new device. Of course, the upfront cost may have been higher, but the out of pocket for carriers and at home setup would have been nice. The problem for carriers is that gives cell phone vendor too much control, which I understand, but it was great for consumers who like to update their update their devices yearly.


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Originally Posted by moofrank View Post

AT&T clearly doesn't quite have their act together here yet.

The AT&T website doesn't show the discounted prices for 3G phones. Talking to a customer rep tells me that this should be up on Friday.

That certainly have some issues right now. My new iPhone is upgrade eligible before my older one, both 3G models on a Family Plan. I have a friend moving to AT&T who wasnt able to make an online pre-order at all yesterday. AT&T definitely seems more reactive than proactive with their iPhone customers.
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post #267 of 430
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Its only a secret to you because you didn't read. Read your contract.

OK smart ass - you knew the subsidized price of the iPhone (what was AT&T's piece) last July 2008? total B.S.
I mentioned "Half the Price " was false over and over and all y'all said was "but it is" blah, blah, blah. Now I am once again being borne out.
Now you make up BS.
It has only been recent that these actual amounts have been disclosed if at all.
post #268 of 430
You are a grown adult. Its not AT&T's responsibility to make you an informed consumer. With a little bit of research all of this information was easily accessible.


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Originally Posted by lilgunther View Post

$100 would be easier to swallow than $200, but while it could have been in the fine print, I personally never saw anything showing that the phone was unsubsized the first round vs. a subsidized version the second round.

I simply was told to pay the $599 and sign a 2 yr contract. They dropped the price soon after, but again I saw nothing indicating it had anything with it being subsidized. I do recall there being a large public outcry about the drastic reduction so soon after so many people bit a larger bullet. That public outcry did indeed prompt the $100 giftcard; so, perhaps if we complain enough they will change this policy.

The same thing happened last year on the release date. Nothing was said, upfront, about it being subsidized...only that I simply had to sign a new 2 yr contract and pay the purchase price.
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Originally Posted by hasanahmad View Post

sell yours on ebay and use that $ to buy this

That would be extremely difficult to sell now that we have a germ factor and are in the middle of a swine flu epidemic. Good lick, I mean luck.
post #270 of 430
Yes I knew the iPhone 3G was subsidized. No I didn't know the exact full retail price. But it didn't matter what it was, I wasn't paying full price. But I clearly did know $199/$299 wasn't the full price


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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

OK smart ass - you knew the subsidized price of the iPhone (what was AT&T's piece) last July 2008? total B.S.
I mentioned "Half the Price " was false over and over and all y'all said was "but it is" blah, blah, blah. Now I am once again being borne out.
Now you make up BS.
It has only been recent that these actual amounts have been disclosed if at all.
post #271 of 430
Quote:
Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

I totally agree with you. Why all the secrets on the subsidized priceing? Same thing with the FALSE advertising- "Half the Price". IT WAS SUBSIDIZED!
Having said that, the sales figures this quarter will be very strange as people have to actually wait AND WAIT.

I think there is a different logic to the upgrade system than simply "AT&T wants to reward their more loyal customers." I think it has to do with controlling the locations and timing of traffic increases on their network. Last year, AT&T's network handled the 3G launch poorly, and was heavily criticized. Maybe they're learning from their mistakes.

Of course it would piss people off if they found out they couldn't upgrade because of the city they live in.

Of course, being that my date is 03/23/10, I think I'll probably take a pass on the 3G S, and wait for next year's model.
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Originally Posted by DHKOsta View Post

I think there is a different logic to the upgrade system than simply "AT&T wants to reward their more loyal customers." I think it has to do with controlling the locations and timing of traffic increases on their network. Last year, AT&T's network handled the 3G launch poorly, and was heavily criticized. Maybe they're learning from their mistakes.

Of course it would piss people off if they found out they couldn't upgrade because of the city they live in.

Of course, being that my date is 03/23/10, I think I'll probably take a pass on the 3G S, and wait for next year's model.

Wow- that does not bode well for Apple is sales figures then this year.
AT&T is the one making out this year. Only newbies or 1st gen iPhone upgraders will add to the sales. And really, like how many people will switch carriers at this point compared to when iPhone was new? The figures will be very interesting.
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Originally Posted by Multimedia View Post

It's easily worth $236 to me to get it ASAP.

And there you have it.

Thank you for THAT dose of reality.

The bottom line here is that no matter how much anyone wants to bitch about it, there will be many out there that could care less what they will or will not be charged. Count me among those that will upgrade, regardless of whatever AT&T does for or against me. It's called personal choice.

Or, to put it in another perspective.... a friend of mine's son recently took his family to an overpriced Britney Spears concert. I have no idea how much he paid for 4 tickets, but I'll suggest they weren't cheap.

So, try to keep some perspective. If you're a developer, it's a no-brainer. For everyone else, there's MasterCard.
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AT&T = No tethering
AT&T = No MMS
AT&T = $200 penalty for the loyal early adopters that all always looking for the best.
AT&T does not have 4G and Verizon is working on 4G GSM.

Question, should we wait for a possible next iPhone that might be with Verizon or suck it up and pay the extra $200? BTW do you have to extend you commitment with the $200 rip off?
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Originally Posted by jdavy View Post

AT&T = $200 penalty for the loyal early adopters that all always looking for the best.

Next time you plan on getting a new phone less than once a year dont get on a 2-year subsidized plan.
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Originally Posted by Enigmafan420 View Post

HURRY-30 day returns allowed.

Can I ask? WHY would you have done this two weeks ago

I got my Iphone for my anniversary on May 22, 2009. At that time neither the people at Cingular, nor my husbands' friend who works for AT&T knew they were going to have a new phone. We all new about the upgrade, but thought that was it. Or I would have waited for the new phone. This really pisses my off. They should have let us know in advance. How much will I have to pay to take my phone back, get refund and rebuy the new phone? Will they even let us do that? Or will they say that you already redid your contract and are SOL.
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Originally Posted by tbmichals View Post

I got my Iphone for my anniversary on May 22, 2009. At that time neither the people at Cingular, nor my husbands' friend who works for AT&T knew they were going to have a new phone. We all new about the upgrade, but thought that was it. Or I would have waited for the new phone. This really pisses my off. They should have let us know in advance. How much will I have to pay to take my phone back, get refund and rebuy the new phone? Will they even let us do that? Or will they say that you already redid your contract and are SOL.

I'm sorry, but I cannot muster any sympathy for you. A little bit of internet research and you would have found many, many sites with speculation about the new models.

I also don't have much sympathy for those who bought a 3G and now expect an upgrade price earlier than their contracts said they are entitled to.
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Originally Posted by tbmichals View Post

I got my Iphone for my anniversary on May 22, 2009. At that time neither the people at Cingular, nor my husbands' friend who works for AT&T knew they were going to have a new phone. We all new about the upgrade, but thought that was it. Or I would have waited for the new phone. This really pisses my off. They should have let us know in advance. How much will I have to pay to take my phone back, get refund and rebuy the new phone? Will they even let us do that? Or will they say that you already redid your contract and are SOL.

1) You are under 30 days so return it.

2) Go to tech websites and ask, not friends and AT&T employees (even Apple retail employees know less than the tech sites usually do).

3) They let you know 11 days in advance. How much time is appropriate?

4) The previous two years Apple has come out with an iPhone in the summer. Its the same this year and most likely the same next year.

5) The iPhone you have is a very capable device. It appears you liked it until it was no longer the latest and greatest. If you get the new one, another one will surely come out next year and youll still only be half way through a two year subsidized contract. Just an FYI.
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I'm just sitting here hoping there will be a new iPhone and it will be on Verizon by the time my contract runs out in '10 so I can actually use the phone part of my iPhone.
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Originally Posted by lilgunther View Post

The reason is simple. This is a new policy to them. The most devoted and loyal iPhone customers, the ones that were in line for the last 2 years in a row to own the latest offering are now being thanked for their patronage being told that they have to pay a premium to do the same thing the third year. Many companies offer consumer loyalty bonuses, but in this case, consumer loyalty puts them in the back of the line, unless they want to pay extra.

I was one of them. I couldn't wait to place my order yesterday, but was shocked and dissappointed to be told I had to wait or pay nearly double the price shown at the bottom of the order page. I honestly have a hard time stomaching paying $218 more than the advertised price (sans fine print) for the same product, just because I was already a big fan and was in line the last 2 years for the release.

One other thing that a lot of us have forgotten is that when the original iphone was released and we stood in line for hours to get it, we paid $599 for it. Then within 2 months, they dropped the price by $200 and people were outraged. In fact the public outrage was so great that Apple ended up coming back to lighten that blow by giving us a $100 gift card.

No, it's not the same thing you've done two years in the row. The first year you bought a phone for the full retail price, ATT did not subsidize it. The second year they did. So this year, the third year, you can do what you did the first year again. But I have a feeling you won't like paying $600 for the phone this time around, like you did that time. Right?
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