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post #41 of 70
6/10/09 at 1:38pm
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Are there really people who don't spend $10 and put a cover on their screen? It's the first thing I did and I wipe the fingerprints off of mine by just rubbing it on my shirt. No big deal...

Actually, it was a three pack of protectors for $20 and I'm on #2 a year later...

I seem to remember some pretty sever scratch tests on the iPhone screen when it first came out. It appeared as if you wold be hard pressed to scratch it with knives.
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post #42 of 70
6/10/09 at 1:50pm
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Are there really people who don't spend $10 and put a cover on their screen?

Yes, because as already mentioned, it's pointless. When my wife had a Treo she certainly needed, and used, a plastic film screen protector on it. But the Treo had a plastic screen, so that was a very necessary precaution.

The iPhone's tempered glass screen is, short of gross abuse, unscratchable.
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post #43 of 70
6/10/09 at 1:50pm
What about cleaning jism off the iphone?
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post #44 of 70
6/10/09 at 1:51pm
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I seem to remember some pretty sever scratch tests on the iPhone screen when it first came out. It appeared as if you wold be hard pressed to scratch it with knives.

Well, yes, but, if you have diamonds glued to your fingernails...
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post #45 of 70
6/10/09 at 1:58pm
Unfortunately, the company I work for supplies my phone and therefor dictates that it's a Blackberry.
So, I am more interested to know when these iPhone advances will make there way to the iPod Touch ? Appleinsider - any inside goss on this ?

thx
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post #46 of 70
6/10/09 at 2:00pm
I've have the original iPhone bought on day one. It has never been in a case or had any kind of covering. The back has several scratches if you look hard enough, but the glass screen is totally scratch free. Several swipes on my shirt gets off any oils or fingerprints.
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post #47 of 70
6/10/09 at 2:14pm
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I never use a screen protector on my iPhone or iPod. I don't want to ruin the clarity of the screen. I take care of my electronic devices. My iPhone and iPod don't have a scratch on them.QUOTE]


Two kinds of people. Those who have dropped their phone and those that will. Best of luck.
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post #48 of 70
6/10/09 at 2:14pm
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Unfortunately, the company I work for supplies my phone and therefor dictates that it's a Blackberry.
So, I am more interested to know when these iPhone advances will make there way to the iPod Touch ? Appleinsider - any inside goss on this ?

thx

Following history, the likely timeframe is September, right around when Apples Back To School special ends. It amy even be faster clocked than the iPhone, like it is now, since gaming on the small device has become such a cash cow for Apple.
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post #49 of 70
6/10/09 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by balrob View Post

Unfortunately, the company I work for supplies my phone and therefor dictates that it's a Blackberry.
So, I am more interested to know when these iPhone advances will make there way to the iPod Touch ? Appleinsider - any inside goss on this ?

thx

You can always bug att to come out with the blackberry service for the iphone. On my windows mobile phone i can access all the blackberry services if i wanted to pay extra for them.

So maybe you can bug att to make it available for the iphone as well.
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post #50 of 70
6/10/09 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by teckstud View Post

"Aow- I miss the old coating!"
"I can't type as fast" etc, etc,

A matte v. glossy reference?
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post #51 of 70
6/10/09 at 3:01pm
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ARM is a company and a line of processors. The StrongARM is quite a bit different than the Cortex A8. In fact, the difference is comparable to that of a Core 2 Duo and a Pentium 1.

Not quite the right analogy, it's not a descendent or ancestor, but an offshoot branch. StrongARM isn't made by ARM but DEC based on the ARM architecture. More like the AMD to Intel in some ways.

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That's what the dock and bluetooth APIs are for.

External cases with a d-pad.

I'm curious how that will work. It seems to me that you'd want one D-pad interface standard so that all programmers know how to connect to it so they don't have to program for a dozen different protocols, and so that all case makers can connect with all the games that support d-pads without changes. I don't think Apple would want to mediate such a standard, but if they don't, it could lead to compatibility issues.
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post #52 of 70
6/10/09 at 3:09pm
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Well, that's the whole point of the oleophobic coating to keep oils from adhering so they will wipe right off (like car wax allows water to be wiped off). Cleaners, probably including iKlenz (which is probably mostly alcohol), will most likely take the oleophobic coating off and entirely negate the advantage of having it. Of course, even water might take it off, so it will be interesting to see how well it holds up.

The coatings are supposed to be tough: on getting dimethylsiloxane coatings to stick, see http://tinyurl.com/lcfqcc

And for a review see http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut...u/experime.pdf

Ironically, it's from Finland so Nokia might - directly or indirectly (via taxes that support the U. Helsinki) - have funded this research.
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post #53 of 70
6/10/09 at 4:12pm
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There has been a new Teckstud around here as of late and I quite like it. If not for a post here or there are let me know its still him I would thought he was a pod person and had an Amber Alert issued for him NYC.

He got his fire wire back. He seems well adjusted now.
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post #54 of 70
6/10/09 at 4:19pm
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What about cleaning jism off the iphone?

I use what's know as a iWhore to lick it off....lol
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post #55 of 70
6/10/09 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

Just to be picky here ...

You guys know that the iPhone has a tempered glass (almost un-scratchable) screen right?

Tempered glass is no harder to scratch than regular glass. Glass manufacturers like PPG all recommend against using abrasives on windshields. Ever notice the swirls and halos on even clean car windows and windshields when they're lit by sunlight at the right angle? An analogous situation would be putting an iPhone in your pocket where grit embedded in the fabric can work its wonders. And you do know that I was referring to the coating, right? Even if the glass was 100% scratchproof, that's no good if you have to look through a scratched up coating first.

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The iPhone's tempered glass screen is, short of gross abuse, unscratchable.

I've seen quite a few iPhone screens with scratches on them.
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post #56 of 70
6/10/09 at 6:02pm
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The coatings are supposed to be tough: on getting dimethylsiloxane coatings to stick, see http://tinyurl.com/lcfqcc

Interesting, they do seem like they would be pretty durable.

Apparently, Palm couldn't use this on the Pre because it prevents graffiti.
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post #57 of 70
6/10/09 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

A big "meh" on the screen coating. I always protect my touch screen devices with a screen protector anyway. Already have a set of three coming from Hong Kong that I ordered on eBay for my 3G S


yes but the point is that you don't have to buy a screen protector anymore. with last years phone you pretty much had to.

so a lot of folks are going to be thrilled.
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post #58 of 70
6/10/09 at 6:43pm
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No need to be an ass.

lighten up, dude! i wanted Prince to "take note" so he would post a more detailed piece based on that excellent info from Anand. which he did! success.

Prince gets plenty of grief already, deserved or not (both, i think). but i enjoy reading his stuff.
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post #59 of 70
6/10/09 at 7:24pm
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Unfortunately, the company I work for supplies my phone and therefor dictates that it's a Blackberry.
So, I am more interested to know when these iPhone advances will make there way to the iPod Touch ? Appleinsider - any inside goss on this ?

thx

If the Blackberry is ATT, you can pop the SIM card from your blackberry into your iPhone. Just buy an unlocked iPhone and you're good to go.
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post #60 of 70
6/10/09 at 7:28pm
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I'm curious how that will work. It seems to me that you'd want one D-pad interface standard so that all programmers know how to connect to it so they don't have to program for a dozen different protocols, and so that all case makers can connect with all the games that support d-pads without changes. I don't think Apple would want to mediate such a standard, but if they don't, it could lead to compatibility issues.

Nobody is going to carry around a pad with them who isn't already carrying around a portable game to begin with. There's 320x240 of touchscreen to play with, which is probably enough for most 8 and 16 bit consoles.
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post #61 of 70
6/10/09 at 7:47pm
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The coatings are supposed to be tough: on getting dimethylsiloxane coatings to stick, see http://tinyurl.com/lcfqcc

And for a review see http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut...u/experime.pdf

Ironically, it's from Finland so Nokia might - directly or indirectly (via taxes that support the U. Helsinki) - have funded this research.

Where did you find out the composition of Apple's coating? Is this just an assumption that it's polymethylsiloxane?
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post #62 of 70
6/10/09 at 7:52pm
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You have the number one post for this thread position. For years to come your post will set the over all tone for this topic..Could you at lesst try to be funny. Go back and edit now and make us chuckle.
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Dude that was hilarious! So true of us all, me included...we here at AI we always have critiques SECONDS after Apple products are announced! Some are right on, some are nuts. Either way, Apple should probably be paying us to post here...right?

Oleophobic...good, I eat a loooot of pizza.
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post #63 of 70
6/10/09 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by Splinemodel View Post

Nobody is going to carry around a pad with them who isn't already carrying around a portable game to begin with. There's 320x240 of touchscreen to play with, which is probably enough for most 8 and 16 bit consoles.

That use of an absolute is silly.

Maybe you misunderstand what is meant by a d-pad as you left off the d?
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post #64 of 70
6/10/09 at 11:05pm
I'd never thought I'd read an AppleInsider with the word oleophobic. Ah, takes me back to my much hated Chemistry classes in high school and a few at university level. Organic Chemistry. Hated that subject.

Could AppleInsider have used the word "oil-resistant"? Who knows. Kudos to AppleInsider to educating the kids of today. LOL I know I'm not making much sense. It's that time of the afternoon.
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post #65 of 70
6/11/09 at 5:13am
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Where did you find out the composition of Apple's coating? Is this just an assumption that it's polymethylsiloxane?

I claim no insider info here but I am an organic and physical chemist and have access to relevant journals. A SciWeb scan of the primary and review literature indicates this is the best and most likely coating (though maybe a different manufacture process to the exotic research method). The excellent review in the 2004 eThesis suggests PDMSiO.

"Large amount of experimental work has been done in order to understand and optimize the deposition process of diamond-like carbon (DLC) with the filtered pulsed arc discharge (FPAD) method. Ultra-thick (up to 200 μm), high-quality (amount of sp3 diamond bonds >80%) DLC coatings with superior adhesion and can be deposited with the FPAD method. A modification of the FPAD deposition system has led to the development of a totally new group of materials, namely DLC-polymer-hybrid coatings. The novel coatings can be made water and oil repellent with suitable polymers, such as the polydimethylsiloxane (PDMS). DLC-PDMS-h coatings that are hard and hydrophobic have been successfully prepared. These coatings have low sliding angles for water and oil, furthermore, they cannot be marked with common marker pens and oil drops slide down their surface leaving no trace on them."
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post #66 of 70
6/11/09 at 7:51am
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Are there really people who don't spend $10 and put a cover on their screen? It's the first thing I did and I wipe the fingerprints off of mine by just rubbing it on my shirt. No big deal...

Actually, it was a three pack of protectors for $20 and I'm on #2 a year later...

No cover on my 1st gen iPhone and the glass is still in great condition two years later. I also just wipe it on the nearest soft cloth to remove fingerprints.

It's glass, I've never understood peoples need to cover it with plastic/vinyl.
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post #67 of 70
6/11/09 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

That use of an absolute is silly.

Maybe you misunderstand what is meant by a d-pad as you left off the d?

Well then, that settles it. You can be the one who puts up the cash to make and market it.
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post #68 of 70
6/11/09 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by Splinemodel View Post

Well then, that settles it. You can be the one who puts up the cash to make and market it.

There are folks already doing this. http://www.icontrolpad.com/

Looks like a few guys in a basement kinda thing so a real company could churn these out quickly, perhaps even with a battery as part of it. It would be better as an Apple accessory or part of an official Apple SDK but someone will take the market even if Apple doesn't help.

And yes, it would be simpler to just carry the iphone in a d-pad case rather than a phone and a PSP or GBA or DS...
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post #69 of 70
6/11/09 at 4:31pm
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I claim no insider info here but I am an organic and physical chemist and have access to relevant journals. A SciWeb scan of the primary and review literature indicates this is the best and most likely coating (though maybe a different manufacture process to the exotic research method). The excellent review in the 2004 eThesis suggests PDMSiO.

Best perhaps but probably not from a cost standpoint. There are other candidates for the coating, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree since there's no conclusive evidence of exactly what Apple's coating is.

I realized that Virgil-TB2 is wrong. The iPhone does not use tempered glass. It's run of the mill annealed glass, with a film laminate behind it. Tempered glass would be a terrible choice for a consumer device, especially one that thin. The smallest scratch that penetrated the surface would shatter the entire front. That's what tempered glass does, as anyone who's ever seen the results of a broken side window on a car knows. I've seen enough broken iPhones with cracked glass to know it can't possibly be tempered. Besides, tempered glass can't be made that thin, last I saw. I think around 1/8" is about the limit.
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post #70 of 70
6/14/09 at 4:34am
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

Best perhaps but probably not from a cost standpoint. There are other candidates for the coating, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree since there's no conclusive evidence of exactly what Apple's coating is.
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Agreed; there are more mundane alternatives .. perhaps of the silicone bakeware coating type http://tinyurl.com/mqn7qa (cheap, tough, non-toxic and environmentally OK but not as insanely great as the stuff from Helsinki U.

-Enz
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