New screenshot gallery shows more polished Snow Leopard - Page 3

Not sure what part of what he wrote was wrong.

We get a new OS every 2 or 2.5 years.

I wouldn't be surprised if the QTX UI remains unique. And it's OK to have a unique window/control style IF that appearance serves a useful purpose. In this case, it indicates a different KIND of window. (Whereas the difference between Safari and iTunes is meaningless inconsistency.)

Not much, really. I'm not aching to see much changed in OSX. As useful as they may be, I'm saying that the technical improvements are not going to appear very compelling to your average Mac user. I'm happy to see them pricing it at $29, if only because I think they'd have a tough time selling this update at $129.

I don't care how cheap it is.. I will not be purchasing another Apple Product (OS or Hardware) until they either release or make known their BluRay plans. The fact that you can't even Author A BluRay Disk from Final Cut Pro is ABSURD! I konw most of the macs shipping don't have the DPI to appreciate BluRay but being able to play the media is worth it IMHO. The thing is, if Apple want's to keep it's pro users the BETTER act fast to put BluRay in. Their current answer: Boot into windows... RIDICULOUS.

I was pointing out the inaccuracy of assuming that 11.0 would come out after 10.9 rather than 10.7 or 10.13. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

I don't disagree with the point that we get a new OS every 2-2.5 years, just that you could infer anything about when OS 11 will be released based on that.

No problem.

I hate assuming here as well but there seems to be two schools of thought coming from end users.

1. The "my amp goes to 11" crowd- These users are motivated by what they perceive as huge change. Thus they crave being able to jump from 10.7 to 11.0 because that would seem to portend such a radical shift in computing paradigm.

2. The other (such as myself) crowd - places no real emphasis on version numbers other than to ascertain the scope of a release. Since Apple has dogmatically stuck to 10.x paid upgrades I'm not about to assume a jump to 11.0 out of sequence will happen though I do not dispute the possibility of it happening.

Thanks for the clarification.

Oye, I can't wait for it to be officially released. It looks like a great upgrade!!!

Maximized windows, mouse scroll wheel, ALT+Tab window switcher, window resizing on all edges, full keyboard navigation of the UI ...

You might find this hard to believe, but I actually like aqua. I would assume a lot of other people do as well. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind the whole OS taking on the look of Quicktime X. Yet, when Apple changes things too much, people whine. Take for instance, the Tabs on top of Safari. That really was a good feature. Some people whined, and boom Apple does away with the feature. Now in the final release it is a bigger pain in the but to create tabs.

I have to say, average users are no dummy either. All those refinements and speed improvements worth much more than that that price tag, let alone the new technologies they introduce in 10.6.

Do we actually know that next up is 10.7? I know Apple don't do roadmaps, and I may have missed a reference somewhere, but is it not possible that OSX will end with 10.6? Isn't part of the idea with SL that it lays the foundations for the multi-core & GPGPU future? The end of the 2-D desktop paradigm and the onset of a 3-D virtual workspace?

As a apple stock holder i say .DUDE shape up and fly right. Get with the apple program. We will ignore what you said ok. Go out right now and get that MBP 15 " you wanted.


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Preview in Tiger I think it was had a Play button that you could add to the toolbar - that's pretty weird that it left and that you can't view them.

Re other things being said: I fully agree on the versioning thing - I thought Tiger's 10.4.10 and 10.4.11 would have sorted that out for people once and for all. History would suggest Apple might be unpredictable on such things though, like with 7.6, 7.7, 8, 8.1, 8.6, 9, and such. But I think they won't really have a need anymore to round off to 11 for marketing purposes - the cats have been handling that just fine since Jag.

I really hope that the scrollbars get dealt with this time - we were all hoping that they would go all dark grey almost two years ago with Leopard though, so I'm not holding my breath.

Resize handles on all sides would be nice, but that was one of the things offered by brushed metal, which we finally killed with Leopard - ironic hmmm.

Not convinced at all on the new Stacks vis Ã* vis List mode browsing in the Dock as we had between 10.0 and 10.4.11, taking a short vacation for 10.5.0, and have had since 10.5.1. The only issue with that mode is that mouse navigation can get stuck if a particularly wide filename arises - still better than being able to see 10 characters of a name in grid view though IMO. Desktop browsing ≠ iPhone browsing in that regard.

Interesting also the dock exposé menu - looks very much like the iPhone cut/paste menu, at least the one previewed a while back, weird. And as for the use of Dock exposé, the example of dragging a pic into a Mail window is about the only thing I can think of, and one can already do that quite happily - maybe not with quite so many windows open though. And then there's always just browsing within Mail to find the file.

The new Apple keyboards have that F-key assigned to show all windows, and leave no room for a single key to show desktop, even though IMO that remains the most useful exposé feature - still good to see they are tidying up the mini-window layout though.

It would be pretty cool to have an OS that goes to 11, but I think we'll see at least Cougar (although this one should really be older), Lynx and Lion before then - after that they get a bit less widely known - Ocelot? Those three take us to .9 so the decimal theory could be right after all .

Very well put. I totally agree about the overlaying of the controls and title on the actual content - I hate it. In full screen mode, that's one thing. But not when it's regular size. Please give feedback to Apple now - I will also.

You can maximize windows in OS X as well if you need to. The + button does not maximize though, its algorithm just tries to get rid of scrollbars (both horizontal and vertical) if possible. CMD+Tab switches windows in OS X (but you can and should use expose instead), you can use full keyboard navigation if you turn it on in the settings, you can scroll with the mouse wheel, and in horizontal directions as well.

Did you even ever use OS X. Makes me wonder about anything else you might have to say. No wonder you can not recognize the value of UNIX command line and tools, that's way beyond your abilities.

Apple has a rep for adding this type of stuff quite slowly. Look at the screensavers, widgets and wallpapers Apple added for Leopard that were not in Tiger. Done counting? LOL They added 2 screensavers, 3 wallpapers, and 1 widget. Ok, my point is made.

Does anyone know if Quicktime X will natively support MKVs? After all, Apple says that Quicktime X is optimized for the latest modern media formats". I would consider MKV to be the latest in media formats.

Also what about the AC3 passthru problem that currently exists? Currently, Quicktime downmixes the AC3 stream to stereo before it outputs it... will that still be a problem?

Open windows can fill the maximum desktop space in OSX. If by maximize you mean the way that the open windows lock into place in MS Windows, then I say it's good they don't 'maximize', but I suppose thats just a personal preference. Being able to easily slide maximum sized windows around that arent locked into place makes drag and drop workflows much more efficient.

cmd+tab switches windows, and I think does so better that alt+tab since you can also select with your pointer.

Full keyboard navigation of the UIthey just forced MS Office 2007 on us at workyeah, tell that to MS too.

Oh yes I know that OS X can do this now after 4 updates. But we where talking about Windows 2000 and therefore I was referring to 10.0 to be fair.

About the Terminal: PowerShell in Vista and 7 is way beyond the Unix CLI. It's object oriented. But I personally don't need such things.

"The Desktop & Screen Saver control panel now only renders thumbnails of available Desktop pictures that are in view, preserving system resources and cutting back on lag"

Could someone please explain what this means? I opened that preference panel and I fail to see any difference from how it works now.

No, actually MS missed the boat with power shell. That thing is too wordy, un-discoverable, and non-ubiquitous (you can not count on it being there on every system). Power shell is really .NET shell, and there are others like bean shell for Java etc. None come to the simplicity, elegance, ubiquity of bash, csh, zsh, ksh on UNIX systems. And the nice thing is they were there for the long time, so people can leverage the decades of development.

GPGPUs aren't for Johnny Mnemonic worlds. They are massively paralleled number crunching blocks for general purpose computing.


Apple is making Snow Leopard more accessible for 3D CAD/CAM/FEA markets with their addition of COLLADA in Snow Leopard:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/refineme...finements.html


They changed the default Color Gamut as well:

I believe it's saying the control panel keeps a cache of thumbnails of the desktop images at a smaller resolution for quick loading so it does not have to load the full resolution images just to show previews.

A joke dude, this guy was losing it over blu ray.Any way please put me on your ignore list your comments are very ugly.

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My boss has two favorite sayings.

1. "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

2. "People who whine and complain just to whine and complain get ignored. People who point out flaws and offer suggestions for improvement get listened to."

Demanding a "new interface" is a pretty broad, spoiled position to take. The OSX UI has done nothing except get better with every revision of the software. Every single release is better than the last, not just in look, but in feel and function.

We'll see. The needs of most users are more basic than most of us realize. I teach Mac classes, so I come in contact with average users on a regular basis and am constantly reminded of this fact. Speaking for myself, I think the features Apple is advertising for Snow Leopard are a bit underwhelming, so I can imagine that less sophisticated users will be somewhat mystified.

Yeah, but that is because most people are idiots.

Speed and stability are technical improvements. If those aren't "good reasons to recommend SL to anyone else" I don't know what is. Some new hue for the scrollbars?

But when you update your drivers you usually don't get a performance increase so great that it seems to be possible only by buying a new computer. That's what I meant.

What's wrong with my post? Can I call your post assinine too just because I don't agree that Aqua is fugly? I actually agree that Marble should come sooner rather than later, but there are folks here that think that a GUI better than Aqua is a greater priority than 50-130% speed increase across the system, and to me, that is non-sense bitching.

And while I'm not an Apple apologist, I do defend Apple when people start attacking it with stupid arguments.
And Aqua did get an update. All of those little interface changes between Cheetah and Leopard mean nothing to you?

I could not live without the UI improvements that iLeopard provides.

http://guistyles.com/wp-content/uplo...d_by_ghall.jpg

Don't install this.... thanks for the warning.....

So it's not just me then. I take the meds but I still want to kill them. Slowly.

Wow-nice! Thanks!

Seriously, don't you people think even this would be a massive improvement over the current leopard look? The fact that Apple doesnt use aqua in ANY of its recent apps should clue you in about how dated and ugly it is, for those defending that it 'looks great'. Apparently, even Apple doesnt agree with you, but seems too lazy to do anything about it OS-wide. They should take some cues from the gorgeous iPhone OS they released in 2007, for their desktop OS. Not a trace of aqua there, not surprisingly.

that's cool. i've often wanted to convert an online article into spoken text so i can listen on the go and now it'll be automatic

What about the new QuickTime Player? The ChildsBirthdayShareItOnYoutube Player?

In the current QuickTime Player I can see all of the movie without a portion being hidden by a titlebar or a controller. I have the whole screenwidth to scrub through a movie, not just a short, less accurate "timeline". I can make a selection, keep this selection and at the same time scrub through the movie, go to the in- and out-point with alt-left/right. I can than cut, copy or delete that selection (and trim), paste or "scale and paste" it into another movie. All this without being forced to switch to some kind of "trim mode".

Did I mention that the "interface" is a staight copy of NicePlayer (http://code.google.com/p/niceplayer/)?

Think again, Apple.

i am looking forward to buy snow leopard, i really love the os interface, and i don't see there is any need for changing it.

Why fix something that ain't broken.

I can't wait to transform TechStud's posts into iTunes and make ring tunes!

They're giving us OpenCL, Grand Central and 64 bit and some people are complaining about the wallpaper. You guys aren't doing us any favours against those who accuse Macs of being all show.

Pic of Leopard at http://fineartamerica.com/images-med...bara-keith.jpg