Originally Posted by microdisiac
Just been told that all future mac hardware will be designed with the sd slot. Also Snow Leopard is gonna be shipped on sd cards. Inside info my friends. Bon Nuit
While I think it may be shipped that way, it will also have to be shipping on optical media, too.
Originally Posted by wizard69
That would be the thought that Apple will need an alternative distribution method for the coming tablets. I see the new SD slots as foretelling us how Apple expects to do system updates on diskless products. I'd give even odds that Apples coming tablets or netbooks will have SD slots in them.
So I don't discount this report. In the long run it makes a lot of sense. As Apple moves away from spinning storage they will need alternative distribution methods for the OS. I actually thought this would be USB dongles but now that these new MBP have come out I could see this as an alternative.
I thought it would USB flash drives but now that nearly all Mac notebooks have SD card slots and Apple engineers had to really work hard to get it on the 13” MBP by removing the separate line-in jack and pushing all the ports to the back of the machine more to get it to fit, I think that it will be a trend that will encompass all their machines. If it does then I think they do mean to make that the install method of choice.
Originally Posted by hmurchison
All speculative hell is gonna break out if Apple mysteriously puts SD card slots in the next iMac refresh.
The desktop machines have the room for an optical drive and they plenty of room for ports, so it’s not as important, but if the Mac desktops and the MBA get the SD Card slot then it would seem imminent. At that point I’d say it would be more than speculative.
Originally Posted by Footloose301
This will go over really well..... trying to find a slot in my MBP to stick this thing.
If you watched the keynote you'll notice they show SL on a disc.
Introducing one doesn’t mean you still can’t have the other. Obviously such a transition, like with floppy to optical media, requires a transition time. You start with the HW changes, then you can even add the new install method to these new machines that can handle it, then you add both to the shelves and then you finally remove the old media when the planned obsolescence is complete.
Originally Posted by Marvin
When a superdrive runs fast, it will only copy one DVD in about 10 minutes, when it's not working so well it takes 20 minutes. An SD card will do the same transfer in 3 minutes at 20MB/s. This cuts an install down from over an hour to under 20 minutes.
I haven’t tested SD installs yet, but I have done USB and internal HDD installs of Snow Leopard. They designed SL to be installed from a separate partition without the need for burning a DVD or any funky workaround to use a separate HDD partition, like was required for Leopard. I can install new SL beta updates in about 10 minutes, don’t have to burn a disc, waste a disc, work about a failed burn and I reclaim that partition when done. Easy peezy lemon squeezy!
Originally Posted by Hiro
Economics: Retail a DVD-R can be had at ~25¢ for ~7GB. 2x4GB SD is 2x$10.00 to get 8GB. Do you think Apple can save enough to make up the 80x difference in cost of the distribution media? If the difference was 4x or less I could see it, but not at 80x. Sure Apple won't pay retail for their media, but the relative cost difference and effects on the bottom line are still valid.
Yes they can! You are considering the cost of an SD to the cost of DVD disc. You are considering the cost of the SD card drive/slot and disk against the cost of the optical drive and disc. Right there the cost is pretty much equal, if not in the SD media’s favour. Then consider the space Apple saves from the loss of the optical drive and all that side real estate that can be used for ports. Since optical drives have to on the edge and are usually the single largest component in a notebook chassis the engineers can offer more options while saving time and money on having to work around that aging tech.
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Originally Posted by Expat
Along those lines, what are the odds that they put an SD slot on the Macbook Air - that actually sounds like a port that would actually fit on that machine without screwing it up.
That being said, if they want an alternate means of distribution, I'd hope that they use USB drives - they are cheaper than SD media right now, and all machines can use them. (of course the question for those more technologically inclined - can you boot off of a thumb drive?)
Since it’s very thin I dont’ think it would be too hard. Certainly seems easier than in the MB which had the ports move farther back and had a port removed.
Originally Posted by wizard69
The question being of course how do you distribute the OS for diskless devices. By this I mean no optical disk. App distribution over the net is fine, but what do you do for machines that don't have the OS installed yet or need a reinstall?
You do SD or USB. Both are bootable. The talk of downloadable OS X system updates doesn’t seem likely. You still need a partition for the install files to sit on for the update since you might want to boot into this for repair or for a clean install. There is always a chance that Disk Utility can’t make a partition for the installer so you have to have a separate physical method or start with a hidden partition on the main HDD, like cheap machines from Dell, HP et. al. have but that wastes HDD space and there is still an issue if you HDD fails.
I think we just have to wait to see how the rest of the Mac line progresses. Apple surely didn’t add an SD card slot at this point in the game for easier transfer of camera images, regardless of what they stated at WWDC.
The other issue that is wrapped all around this new install method is Blu-ray. The 9.5mm optical drives are still new and very expensive, and I havent’ seen any of these as slot loaders, which are more expensive and slower than tray loaders. Then you have to consider that any optical media is still slow, power hungry, and prone to write issues. Finally, we have to consider that Blu-ray is mostly used for media, not for personal data storage, and it’s a direct competitor to Apple’s digital distribution method.
With all that, I can’t see a valid reason for Apple to keep optical drives in their sites for much longer. If you need it, then you buy the external drive for $99 from Apple (though this price will probably cut down quite a bit since more will be sold and that price is now a couple years old) or buy from a 3rd-party. They may even add HDCP support to Snow Leopard so you can use an 3rd-party Blu-ray drive once they made they play for no optical media in notebooks and grabbed a worthwhile share of digital media.