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post #41 of 101
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

You win! You have successfully found the exact opposite of what most everyone else found. You must be so proud to be a unique person out of the other 11 million of us.

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post #42 of 101
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Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

Sounds like it's time to do a clean reinstall your Windows OS!

Perhaps that would be true if they were getting random crashes on all programs, but that isn't what is described.
post #43 of 101
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Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan 2 View Post

Why would there be more PC downloads than Mac for Safari 4... Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

If you take Apple's market share of approximately 7% into account, it makes sense.

Apple only has around 7% of the worldwide market share, so that means 45% of Safari 4 downloads came from a minority of computers. The other 55% came from PCs, which (unfortunately) make up around 90% of the world's computer population.
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Originally Posted by replicant View Post

Safari is great but like most people I prefer to use Firefox for its plugins and wait the extra seconds. If there is one thing Apple should learn from the success of the iPhone, it's that a vibrant developer community can only help, especially when you are trailing behind.

I am definitely looking to see more (free) plugins on Safari.

Agreed. Nice as safari is, I still use FF for all my browsing. With toolbars and icons in my BM menubar, it's just nicer and easier to use...
post #45 of 101
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Originally Posted by bslaght View Post

at least it is on my iMac w/ OS X 10.5.7? However I agree it does seem to be missing on my Vista box.

I'm running Tiger version 10.4.11, but as far as I know Apple are still supposed to be supporting Tiger in all current updates, for the time being. I can't see why Snapback should be on Leopard but not on Tiger.

Are we talking about the same thing? I don't mean the back button, I mean the orange return arrow that used to be at the end of the web address window and in the Google window.

The refresh button seems to have taken its place instead.
post #46 of 101
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Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan 2 View Post

I seriously doubt that is the case. I don't see a lot of Windows only users downloading a Mac product other than iTunes.

I'd be more inclined to believe that Apple put them both in the same upgrade window and most users just check Next or OK.

I prefer Firefox at home and I have to use IE at work.

most women don't know about safari so it's a pretty safe way to surf pr0n without getting caught or going through the annoyance of clearing you history all the time in firefox
post #47 of 101
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Originally Posted by cozagada View Post

why are you guys repeating your posts ?

are you typing on safari 4 ?

Because as I clicked the submit reply button, I noticed that I left the avatars off that I wanted to include. Although I clicked on the stop button (X), it ignored my command and went ahead anyway. So the stop "send" button doesn't seem to work I guess.....
post #48 of 101
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

most women don't know about safari so it's a pretty safe way to surf pr0n without getting caught or going through the annoyance of clearing you history all the time in firefox

If that were the case & I seriously doubt it, all major browsers now have a "Private Browsing" mode so that your history isn't tracked.

My guess was that it was for searching at work but apparently you've found a new use for the feature.
post #49 of 101
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Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan 2 View Post

Why would there be more PC downloads than Mac for Safari 4.

Total 11 million.

6 million PC

This mean 5 million Mac.

Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

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post #50 of 101
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most women don't know about safari so it's a pretty safe way to surf pr0n without getting caught or going through the annoyance of clearing you history all the time in firefox

yes most did not know about late night red tube . NOW THEY DO .
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post #51 of 101
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Originally Posted by wilco View Post

Yeah dude!!!11

Don't you know that everything Apple does is awesome!!1

This has actually been true for the last few years. Hence, why you're always hearing about it. Nearly everything Apple has touched over the last few years has turned to gold, and has even moved some other industries forward by leaps and bounds. There is a ridiculous amount of confidence in Apple. They are one of the very, very few companies that are currently acknowledged as recession-proof.

The "hype" is user-driven. It doesn't just fall out of the sky.
post #52 of 101
While I really do like Safari 4 I have a wide-gamut LCD (for design/photography) and reds burn your eyes out! I'm back to Firefox 3 (with the manual color_management turned on) and everything is calibrated again.

If anyone knows of a similar hack to make Safari play nice with wider gamuts please let me know.
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post #53 of 101
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Originally Posted by Seahawk Fan 2 View Post

Why would there be more PC downloads than Mac for Safari 4.

Total 11 million.

6 million PC

This mean 5 million Mac.

Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

It is like this:

5 million Mac users downloaded Safari for Mac.

Same 5 million Mac users downloaded Safari for their cursed office PCs.

1 million genuine Windows users downloaded Safari for PC to see what is the fuss all about.

1 billion remaining PC and Mac users closed tab with download link in their existing Firefox, IE, Opera, older Safari... and went on with their lives.
post #54 of 101
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Option: Tabs on Top. Please

I thought it was really strange that they would strip out a feature from the beta. If the main stream is not up for tabs on top, at least make it an option in the preferences. Until then, I'm not updating from 4 beta.
post #55 of 101
Yea, Safari 4 beta was really sluggish on my Mac Pro tower at work. The official release is very fast I must say. It's a pleasure to use.

As a web developer I must say that Firefox is still the browser of choice for it's developer tools and extensibility.
post #56 of 101
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Originally Posted by deanbar View Post

Why have Apple removed such a useful feature as Snapback, in the url window. This used to save a convoluted navigation back to an original web page.

Come on Apple, please bring it back asap.

At least we got back ⌘-click navigation in the title bar.

I've also noticed NetNewsWire seems to have gotten faster after downloading Safari 4. Do they somehow share Webkit?
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post #57 of 101
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

ASK Seahawk Fan 3.

He's busy in Mac Rumors dealing with people like you. Seahawk Fan 4 is in MacWorld and Seahawk Fan 5 is browsing the Mobile Forums on Engadget.

I can send you their schedules if you like. I have a Google calendar with their times and places they're scheduled to be browsing.
post #58 of 101
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Originally Posted by rei_vilo View Post

So 11,000,000 minus one = 10,999,999

Make that minus two. I like and use the missing features so I didnt install it. Still on the last Beta.


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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

I'm surprised they didn't add multiple processes for tabs also, since it would be pretty easy to do.

However, there is actually lots of new sandboxing on Safari 4, just nothing to do with the tabs.

Im surprised that Safari doesnt have it by now. The plug-in sandboxing is great, but having a different process for each tab is needed, too.
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post #59 of 101
Apple needs to revert back to the blue progress bar and get rid of the turning gears icon. You don't notice the turning gears icon and think that the webpage you are loading isn't loading properly because it has the URL in the URL bar but is displaying the old webpage you were just looking at. This has confused and irritated just about every Winblows user running Safari and Mac newbies that I know.
post #60 of 101
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Originally Posted by wobegon View Post

At least we got back ⌘-click navigation in the title bar.

I've also noticed NetNewsWire seems to have gotten faster after downloading Safari 4. Do they somehow share Webkit?

Yes.

As does Adium, and BowTie,and probably a lot of other apps I don't use.
post #61 of 101
11 million downloads and 44 million crashes per day! This thing is buggy, and now won't work with our University's Distance Education site. I also get Flash errors I've never seen before.

Some of my issues were SIMBL related on both my macs - but not all of them.
post #62 of 101
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Originally Posted by wilco View Post

Yeah dude!!!11

Don't you know that everything Apple does is awesome!!1 And will always be awesome!

And anyone who disagrees is just a contrarian troll???

Just like those trolls at macfixit and macintouch, who think they're so cool to point out that Safari 4 is a huge resource hog, has major javascript issues, and can't handle fringe sites like blogger, Apple and Amazon!

And don't you realize that because I haven't had any problems yet, it also means that no one else has?

Get on board the Apple express! It's awesome!!1!


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Yes sir, yes sir, three mouths full!

One for my MacBook, One for my iPhone, and one for anything announced at a Keynote.
post #63 of 101
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Originally Posted by freelander51 View Post

Is it just me or does safari crash more often then its predecessors on 10.5.7 /

Or is it as usual the Flash Plugin that gets the blame

1st gen MB, 12.5GB, 10.5.7

It should be easy enough to determine if it's Flash or something else on your machine. Just disable plug-ins and run for a while. It's actually quite pleasant NOT having all the distracting/flashing/scrolling crap cluttering up the pages. It can't hurt for a few hours, and then you'd have your answer.
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post #64 of 101
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Originally Posted by Lorre View Post

Yes.

As does Adium, and BowTie,and probably a lot of other apps I don't use.

So because you don't use it means it's not useful? He was asking for SnapBack to return to the address field. Command-clicking on the title bar pops up a list that produces a similar effect to SnapBack.
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post #65 of 101
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Safari 4 working great on iBook G4 (10 years old) running 10.5.7

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post #66 of 101
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Originally Posted by PKGuy323 View Post

I love the Safari 4 on my Mac. However, the Windows version at work crashes almost EVERY time I use it. Not a good thing if there are Windows users considering switching to Mac.

I always get the feeling that Windows is intentionally screwing up Safari.

Aside from that, Safari is okay. But it does get bogged down if too many windows are open for too long on a Mac, let alone PC. Firefox is okay. It reminds me of a circus or a carnival with lots of pretty rides and miscellaneous BS attached to it. Sort of detracts from the core browser experience, although I'd take it over IE any day.

I was forced to use a PC for a few months while traveling and I used Google Chrome. I have to say that is BY FAR the fastest, easiest and most stable browser I have ever used. I am looking forward to Chrome on the Mac. That'll be sa-weeet!
post #67 of 101
I am among the 11 million that downloaded it. I checked it out. It crashed on me a few times, which was more than I remembered with the old Safari. Not a big deal because I still prefer Firefox.
post #68 of 101
Safari 4 initial impressions:

Likes:
Feels faster.
Top sites (though a direct steal from Chrome)

Dislikes:
Crashed once already after only a half an hour or so of use. When I was playing with top sites. Hm. Though it did survive a visit to Metacritic.
New loading indicator is terrible. Very un-Apple. That's a gonner in a future version for sure.
New tabs look clunkier (bigger?).

Basic Features Still Missing:
The option to have links marked to open in a new window instead open in a new tab without having to hold down Command. I mean, honestly, once you've accepted that a browser should have tabs what is the point in not having this?
Simple offline browsing.
post #69 of 101
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Originally Posted by bonklers View Post

I notice that the tab can be dragged out to its own window, BUT how can i drag that window back to the tabs?? That seems like a pretty common sense feature that should be available. the solution is INCLUDE THE OPTION to have the tabs on the title bar and make tabs show up even if there is only one window.

Tabs DO show up even if there is only one window...

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defaults write com.apple.safari AlwaysShowTabBar TRUE
post #70 of 101
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Originally Posted by eko425 View Post

Apple only has around 7% of the worldwide market

Nope. Actually it's less than 4%.

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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

It is like this:

5 million Mac users downloaded Safari for Mac.

Same 5 million Mac users downloaded Safari for their cursed office PCs.

1 million genuine Windows users downloaded Safari for PC to see what is the fuss all about.

1 billion remaining PC and Mac users closed tab with download link in their existing Firefox, IE, Opera, older Safari... and went on with their lives.

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post #71 of 101
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Originally Posted by yodie View Post

Tabs DO show up even if there is only one window...

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defaults write com.apple.safari AlwaysShowTabBar TRUE

or, you could just use the keyboard shortcut shift-command-T, or the menu item "show tab bar" in the view menu.
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post #72 of 101
I want to like Safari, but it's too slow to switch between drop-down menus on my bookmarks bar, and too slow to close tabs. Also I miss Adblock too much. I'm going to have to stick with Firefox.
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Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post

or, you could just use the keyboard shortcut shift-command-T, or the menu item "show tab bar" in the view menu.

True, but that's less fun.
post #74 of 101
I've had more Safari crashes in the last 24 hours than the last 24 months. I'm regretting installing 4.0, at least on my PowerBook G4. It seems it can happen on all pages, even relatively simple ones. I haven't found any way to reliably reproduce the problem. I hope there's a 4.0.1 soon.
post #75 of 101
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Originally Posted by mrob View Post

the new afari is crashing everytime I go to the online Apple store--why???

very frustrating!


Indeed Safari 4 crashes on all 5 of my Macs, each on Mac OS X 10.5.7.
The issue is Java Script which is enabled in Safari:Preferences:Advanced.
If you disable it, then Safari won't crash, but it won't open many sites.
If you enable it, Safari will crash on Apple:Store every time.

This is about as stupid an error I can think of. Apple is acting like Microsoft.

Hope they put out an update soon.
post #76 of 101
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Originally Posted by rbodman View Post

Indeed Safari 4 crashes on all 5 of my Macs, each on Mac OS X 10.5.7.
The issue is Java Script which is enabled in Safari:Preferences:Advanced.
If you disable it, then Safari won't crash, but it won't open many sites.
If you enable it, Safari will crash on Apple:Store every time.

This is about as stupid an error I can think of. Apple is acting like Microsoft.

Hope they put out an update soon.

It's also frustrating to read these crash complaints while I haven't experienced a single crash since upgrading to Safari 4.0 in day 1. I always enable everything in preference, but still can't reproduce any crash.
post #77 of 101
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2 View Post

I'm surprised they didn't add multiple processes for tabs also, since it would be pretty easy to do.

Says the self-confessed non-developer. If you want gain some insight into trying to retrofit a mostly single-threaded architecture into a multi-process one I urge you to read the Firefox development mailing lists where the Mozilla developers are experimenting with exactly that problem. Hint: It's far from trivial, especially when having to do it on multiple platforms.

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However, there is actually lots of new sandboxing on Safari 4, just nothing to do with the tabs.

Too bad Apple is again after a quick money grab and made it a 10.6 only feature despite Chrome being a working proof-of-concept that sandboxing works on 10.5 just fine with the OS tools available.

Anyway, I'm glad that Apple *finally* fixed the ridiculous memory usage. Safari still uses about 300-400 MB memory (give or take 20) but at least it *stays* in that range even after extended use. My best guess is that the fixed amount of used memory is used for caching the site previews in top sites/history search and indices for full-text search.

I'm really disappointed that Apple didn't implement the non-modal password dialogue from Firefox/Chrome as it's such an *obvious* usability improvement while they wasted time experimenting with tabs-on-top.

It's also a little bit disappointing that the adress bar does not work like Firefox' aweseome bar. You still can't search for arbitrary substrings in the URL/site title. It's pretty much the same old adress bar as in Safari 3 with a much improved result field.

Top-sites are slow to load and are in dire need of speed optimizations. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple tackles the problem in of the subsequent releases.

Altogether this is a very solid release though, it just lacks any kind of ambition.
post #78 of 101
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Originally Posted by Rokken View Post

It's also frustrating to read these crash complaints while I haven't experienced a single crash since upgrading to Safari 4.0 in day 1. I always enable everything in preference, but still can't reproduce any crash.

Same here. I'm running Safari 4 on a MacBook Pro, Core 2 Duo 2.33GHz 2GB ram, JavaScript enabled, no crashes on the Apple site or anywhere else. It's fast and it's working fine for me.

Not sure what's up with what other people are reporting, but it certainly doesn't appear to be some kind of obvious problem with Apple's JavaScript implementation.

Here is a fluid dynamics simulator written entirely in JS; on my install of Firefox (latest update) I can get about 8 fps under load whereas Safari 4 gives me around 20fps.

Have no idea if that's a meaningful metric of anything, just thought I'd mention it.
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post #79 of 101
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Same here. I'm running Safari 4 on a MacBook Pro, Core 2 Duo 2.33GHz 2GB ram, JavaScript enabled, no crashes on the Apple site or anywhere else. It's fast and it's working fine for me.

Not sure what's up with what other people are reporting, but it certainly doesn't appear to be some kind of obvious problem with Apple's JavaScript implementation.

Here is a fluid dynamics simulator written entirely in JS; on my install of Firefox (latest update) I can get about 8 fps under load whereas Safari 4 gives me around 20fps.

Have no idea if that's a meaningful metric of anything, just thought I'd mention it.

I can’t speak for the current Safari 4 out of Beta, but I’ve been using the bata since last year when Safari 4 was first introduced. Never had that issue.

Once I install the latest SL beta I’ll get the latest Safari 4. Even with the plug-in snadboxng I know I’ll miss the tabs on top, so I’m holding off. The previous Beta is stiable enough at this point to wait a couple weeks to see if they add it back.
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Anyway, I'm glad that Apple *finally* fixed the ridiculous memory usage. Safari still uses about 300-400 MB memory (give or take 20) but at least it *stays* in that range even after extended use. My best guess is that the fixed amount of used memory is used for caching the site previews in top sites/history search and indices for full-text search.

Agreed. I'm getting a pretty stable 250MB with about 8 tabs open, closing tabs properly releases memory and I'm not getting that horrible creep that eventually slowed everything to a crawl.

While average memory usage is higher than, say, Firefox (which seems to be content with around 100MB), I don't find the extra 150MB to be particularly vexing on a modern machine, beyond sort of an abstract desire for coding elegance. Doesn't really affect my day to day usage, is all.

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Altogether this is a very solid release though, it just lacks any kind of ambition.

Fair enough, although the performance improvement are quite welcome.
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