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You make some outstanding points here. But it is inherent to the nature of the beast, and it seems to me that one has no choice but to deal with it. The continued success of sites like AI requires revenue, revenue requires ads, ads require eyeballs, and eyeballs are drawn to controversy and bomb-throwers.

If folks were banned for the criteria recommended above, there'd be very few left here, and AI would not survive.

I think a deeper - and more interesting - challenge is to focus on how people can be brought around to a point of view that, over time and by dint of persuasive arguments, espouses some of the important attributes you mention, such as manners, community, and comity.

I think you make a point we often try to ignore--AI is not just a free service for the regular users, it is a business and if it came to a choice between numbers and community...well, you know.

But still. While a few pernicious trolls may have driven up the post count on some threads lately, I can't imagine they do much for the long term numbers. I have felt sufficiently motivated enough to join about a dozen sites for the purpose of participating in forum discussions, but this is the only one I have returned to more than 20 times. I credit that to the general knowledge, intelligence and tenor of the posters (as well as the compelling subject matter). I contrast this with many other forums where complete disdain for anyone who holds a different opinion drips from the posts like venom. Or where people are constantly trying to bait someone else into a pointless argument that distracts from the issue at hand.
If I believed that our trolls really were interested in the material and wanted to communicate then that would be fine. But I don't get that from them. All they want is to stir people up and, well, I just don't have the desire to bring that into my life. If they run free and multiply, then eventually, I'll limit myself to the articles. If I limit myself to the articles, then I just as well might drift to some other Apple news site...
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Well, not that long ago this site was considerably more community minded. Then a bunch of folks got pissed (long story) and started a different site.

At that time we didn't think of it as "a business", we thought of it as a community with a shared interest, and figured the owners of the domain were lucky to have such a dedicated, smart, interesting bunch making the discussion forums an attractive destination for Apple users.
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Very humble Addabox
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Not talking about myself, talking about the community. Why wouldn't think well of a group of folks I enjoyed talking to?
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post #125 of 191
Of course

Just poking at you
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AT&T is expected to make MMS and tethering avaiable to iPhone 3GS subscribers by the end of July, which gives them time to react with network improvements to what is anticipated to be a massive, yet unpredictable, amount of both iPhone 3GS sales and data downloads and uploads, IMO.

Don't forget that videos will be flowing onto the internet from iPhones and that those over the air iTunes sales of movies and other larger than normal data will be flowing onto iPhones as soon as June 19th.

Don't be surprised if AT&T dethrones Verizon before the Summer is over as having the most cellular subscribers, if not data plan or smart phone subscribers.
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Of course

Just poking at you

I richly deserve the occasional poke.
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AT&T is expected to make MMS and tethering avaiable to iPhone 3GS subscribers by the end of July, which gives them time to react with network improvements to what is anticipated to be a massive, yet unpredictable, amount of both iPhone 3GS sales and data downloads and uploads, IMO.

Don't forget that videos will be flowing onto the internet from iPhones and that those over the air iTunes sales of movies and other larger than normal data will be flowing onto iPhones as soon as June 19th.

Don't be surprised if AT&T dethrones Verizon before the Summer is over as having the most cellular subscribers, if not data plan or smart phone subscribers.

• AT&T is currently behind Verizon by 8M subscribers as of the end of the March quarter numbers.

• That doesn’t include the 1.5M Altell subscribers that will be moving from Verizon to AT&T.

• That makes a difference of only 5M subscribers (if nothing else were to change)

• There are about two weeks left in this quarter after the iPhone 3GS launches.

Depending on how Verizon does and how much the bottom two carriers do, it seems quite possible for AT&T to get back on top by the end of the 3rd calendar quarter, but that would be an empty victory since Verizon will still have the better network.

The fact that AT&T won’t support MMS and tethering on the 3rd iPhone release is just poor management and planning somewhere. It’s not like these things would have come to a shock to them, but I still wonder what is so wrong that there other phones can support it but not on the iPhone.
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I richly deserve the occasional poke.

I suggest the more angry and negative posters here should get poked more often.
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post #130 of 191
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That doesnt the Altell 1.5M from Verizon that will be moving to AT&T.

What exactly does that say?
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What exactly does that say?

Prolly just left out the "include", yeah?
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post #132 of 191
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What exactly does that say?

Nothing articulate or lucid, thats for sure. I fixed it.
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post #133 of 191
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Prolly just left out the "include", yeah?

I did, but it was still a bit convoluted after that correction. I originally had it as a paragraph and thought it more clear as a bullet points. Somewhere along the way my rearranging went awry.


Moving on…

Any educated projections on opening weekend sales, 2nd calendar quarter iPhone sales for Apple and 2nd calendar quarter subscriber numbers for AT&T?
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post #134 of 191
Ok, I see.

It's late. I think I'll go to bed. I've just had a successful couple of hours on ebay, so I'm finished for now.
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my order says prepared for shipping as well, so im going to take that as there is a nice little box in china somewhere with my name on it, im happy

now if i got it oh say tomorrow id be even happier but since that won't happen let the "shift refresh" on my order window begin!
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Well, not that long ago this site was considerably more community minded. Then a bunch of folks got pissed (long story) and started a different site.

At that time we didn't think of it as "a business", we thought of it as a community with a shared interest, and figured the owners of the domain were lucky to have such a dedicated, smart, interesting bunch making the discussion forums an attractive destination for Apple users.

Good point. I started lurking just after the upheaval, so I have seen many references, but I did not live through what must have been an upsetting time.*

Still, that is sorta the natural way of things, isn't it? It is hard for an established business to hold onto its two-guys-in-a-garage, free spirited mojo... The band breaks up just after they start making money... [I had another example involving organized religion, but I don't want to upset anyone...]

*After reading over and over how much community was lost in the split, I did look into the other forum. I even joined. There the problem was there seemed to be little interest in welcoming new folks (even non-trolls) and every conversation was part of an inside joke. That is fine for long termers, but not so good for adding members...
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Good point. I started lurking just after the upheaval, so I have seen many references, but I did not live through what must have been an upsetting time.*

Still, that is sorta the natural way of things, isn't it? It is hard for an established business to hold onto its two-guys-in-a-garage, free spirited mojo... The band breaks up just after they start making money... [I had another example involving organized religion, but I don't want to upset anyone...]

*After reading over and over how much community was lost in the split, I did look into the other forum. I even joined. There the problem was there seemed to be little interest in welcoming new folks (even non-trolls) and every conversation was part of an inside joke. That is fine for long termers, but not so good for adding members...

Heh. All true enough. And I know what you mean about the other place, they're pretty tight.

Still, doesn't mean new communities can't be forged. There are plenty of interesting characters here these days, just like always. But there are also a lot of folks who seem awfully hostile to the very idea of such a forum as this, as if it should properly be a "computer user" site and any stated preference for the Mac platform is sorta suspect.

That aspect is very different. I don't know if that's happened at other Mac sites or not. Maybe it's an inevitable byproduct of Apple's increased market share and the iPhone. Have no idea.
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post #138 of 191
According to ATT, the two iphones I ordered Thursday have shipped with tracking numbers. I can't track using the numbers however.
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The fact that AT&T wont support MMS and tethering on the 3rd iPhone release is just poor management and planning somewhere. Its not like these things would have come to a shock to them, but I still wonder what is so wrong that there other phones can support it but not on the iPhone.

I believe that most, if not all, companies supported these services right from the beginning.

As we know, Jobs demanded that service providers lower their data plans in order to get exclusivity. As such, we saw a significantly lowered price for the "unlimited" data from AT&T at the launch of the iPhone in the US.

Obviously, AT&T's first report that the average iPhone user consumed approximately 100 MBs per month in the first year of launch help other countries determine the pricing structure for their data plans. Thus, as we have seen, most limited their plans in more 'realistic' usage terms.

It would appear also, that companies that provide unlimited data plans charge separately for MMS and tethering. Whereas those that limit data, include these services.

AT&T announced that these services would be available soon. They may come tomorrow or even 6 months from now. I can't or won't predict when, but I expect that, like their surprising 'lower than predicted' price plans at the launch of the first generation iPhone, that it will be less than what is being charged now. Unless

it just doesn't make good business sense.

What many also do not take into account, is the cost of providing "free" Wi-Fi. It isn't free. Sure for the user. However, for the payer, not. AT&T has, like other service providers, provide a directory of thousands of free Wi-Fi hotspots that are paid for by companies like some that I consult for. These companies do not have unlimited data plans, just like I don't have at home now with my internet services. As such, nobody can predict how much the new 3GS's, particularly with the increased functions of the new 3.0 software on it and the iPod touch, will have on Wi-Fi and its payers, let alone on the 3G network.

Interesting that some can denounce universal medicare and be such screamers for 'free' universal wireless.
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Just curious if Walmart is holding to the $199 price for the new iPhone or did they manage to work out a discount price w/ Apple?
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my order says prepared for shipping as well, so im going to take that as there is a nice little box in china somewhere with my name on it, im happy

now if i got it oh say tomorrow id be even happier but since that won't happen let the "shift refresh" on my order window begin!

I received the UPS tracking # for my 32GB GS today showing it has left China.
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So what the hell is up with AT&T that MMS and tethering wont be available at launch?

As others have pointed out, it is more then likely a problem with their accounting/billing systems. I think someone in another thread mentioned they were going to have to clear something on all iPhone users accounts manually, then they could offer MMS.

Even if that's true, why did they wait until now? The beta has been out for a while! Oh well...
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Just curious if Walmart is holding to the $199 price for the new iPhone or did they manage to work out a discount price w/ Apple?

If you buy an iphone at WALMART you get unlimited free podcasts and videocasts From the itunes store. For free.
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I remember that at least one person here has stated that AT&T will charge more for MMS even if those wanting to use it already have text messaging plans.

Apparently this is not so according to MacRumors.

The following page includes a quote from a PDF FAQ that AT&T has posted which says it will be free to them (us!). The article includes a link to the PDF.

http://www.macrumors.com/
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As others have pointed out, it is more then likely a problem with their accounting/billing systems. I think someone in another thread mentioned they were going to have to clear something on all iPhone users accounts manually, then they could offer MMS.

Even if that's true, why did they wait until now? The beta has been out for a while! Oh well...

And what kind of database system does this technology company with 80 million customers run anyway that ANYTHING would need to be done manually? I don't buy it.
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I believe that most, if not all, companies supported these services right from the beginning.

As we know, Jobs demanded that service providers lower their data plans in order to get exclusivity. As such, we saw a significantly lowered price for the "unlimited" data from AT&T at the launch of the iPhone in the US.

Obviously, AT&T's first report that the average iPhone user consumed approximately 100 MBs per month in the first year of launch help other countries determine the pricing structure for their data plans. Thus, as we have seen, most limited their plans in more 'realistic' usage terms.

It would appear also, that companies that provide unlimited data plans charge separately for MMS and tethering. Whereas those that limit data, include these services.

AT&T announced that these services would be available soon. They may come tomorrow or even 6 months from now. I can't or won't predict when, but I expect that, like their surprising 'lower than predicted' price plans at the launch of the first generation iPhone, that it will be less than what is being charged now. Unless

it just doesn't make good business sense.

What many also do not take into account, is the cost of providing "free" Wi-Fi. It isn't free. Sure for the user. However, for the payer, not. AT&T has, like other service providers, provide a directory of thousands of free Wi-Fi hotspots that are paid for by companies like some that I consult for. These companies do not have unlimited data plans, just like I don't have at home now with my internet services. As such, nobody can predict how much the new 3GS's, particularly with the increased functions of the new 3.0 software on it and the iPod touch, will have on Wi-Fi and its payers, let alone on the 3G network.

Interesting that some can denounce universal medicare and be such screamers for 'free' universal wireless.

The coming trend is for all major USA cities' to provide Free wi-fi coverage that includes at some future point the whole city and out lying area's . SAN FRAN has started, so has Philly. AT some point all these so called hot spots like Bryant park in NYC will merge into a seamless wi-fi blanket.

WHY? Is this so important ? Well, one reason may be that a large city wants all its people to have fair access to the internet. Poor and rick alike . School children will be able to, one day to access the planet on a cheap computer with free wifi and cloud services given to us for free by the googles of the world.

That is where we are going .
Your company does this for a fee or gets some tangible benefit from this free wifi you provide ? No ?

At some point in the future all that dark fiber will be lit . And 1000 to 1 compression will be a reality.
The internet infrastructure will be maintained like our highway system. Except internet and wifi access will be free to the consumer. FREE. And the whole country in the future will be wired.

Every american will have a free access ISP card for basic internet use. It is our right .

That is how we will afford our children to learn in America on an equal basis to the world

That is how USA biz will be able to better compete on a level playing field with the rest of the world.

Just like our parks and sea shore is a legal RIGHT of every american, the internet also will be like that .

This is our right.

So AT&T will have no chance to charge for wifi access or even phone calls in the future, DATA usage maybe the final thing that they can bill us.

JUST saying

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Every american will have a free access ISP card for basic internet use. It is our right .

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I must have missed that one in the Bill of Rights. Maybe there is something about it in the Constitution.

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The coming trend is for all major USA cities' to provide Free wi-fi coverage that includes at some future point the whole city and out lying area's . SAN FRAN has started, so has Philly. AT some point all these so called hot spots like Bryant park in NYC will merge into a seamless wi-fi blanket.

WHY? Is this so important ? Well, one reason may be that a large city wants all its people to have fair access to the internet. Poor and rick alike . School children will be able to, one day to access the planet on a cheap computer with free wifi and cloud services given to us for free by the googles of the world.

That is where we are going .
Your company does this for a fee or gets some tangible benefit from this free wifi you provide ? No ?

At some point in the future all that dark fiber will be lit . And 1000 to 1 compression will be a reality.
The internet infrastructure will be maintained like our highway system. Except internet and wifi access will be free to the consumer. FREE. And the whole country in the future will be wired.

Every american will have a free access ISP card for basic internet use. It is our right .

That is how we will afford our children to learn in America on an equal basis to the world

That is how USA biz will be able to better compete on a level playing field with the rest of the world.

Just like our parks and sea shore is a legal RIGHT of every american, the internet also will be like that .

This is our right.

So AT&T will have no chance to charge for wifi access or even phone calls in the future, DATA usage maybe the final thing that they can bill us.

JUST saying

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While I can agree with some of the specifics, and some of the concepts, it's really too broad and ambitious.

A number of cities, both large and small have tried citywide WiFi, only to have it fail. The expenses are very high, and the payback is too small.

Technology will pass it by. As 3G is supplanted by 4G and that is replaced by even faster technologies, the place for WiFi will disappear.

This will take place in the same time span it would take to implement broad area WiFi.

Except for buildings, I think it's a transient technology.

I doubt that 1000:1 compression will ever be a reality, and I doubt the need for it. The only reason for compression is for bandwidth limited networks to have the capability to pass content through in the proper timescale. As bandwidth goes up, really aggressive compression will have less of a purpose, and quality of the signal will become paramount.

We can see this with the offering of 256Kb/s compressed music files which used to be 128Kb/s. At some point, Apple, and others will offer higher quality content, eventually using their lossless compression standard for downloads.

Unless you want to pay much higher taxes, you're not getting service for free. even in heavily socialized countries, payment is required, and the difference in price is not that great. You have to pay for the hundreds of billions the networks cost to build and maintain.
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The internet infrastructure will be maintained like our highway system. Except internet and wifi access will be free to the consumer. FREE. And the whole country in the future will be wired.

Every american will have a free access ISP card for basic internet use. It is our right .

Wait, you're saying *I'm* going to have to pay for someone else to get online?

No thank you.
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I must have missed that one in the Bill of Rights. Maybe there is something about it in the Constitution.


The internet is free right now .The access to it that has to be worked out. Its in the oipening words that founded our great country.

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The internet is free right now .The access to it that has to be worked out. Its in the oipening words that founded our great country.

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The internet isn't free. It never really was.
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And what kind of database system does this technology company with 80 million customers run anyway that ANYTHING would need to be done manually? I don't buy it.

I don't know how many large organizations you have worked with, but the guts of them are often on very old, very creaky legacy code. Think COBAL and mainframes.

Nothing happens quickly in those environments, and they are often the last to be converted to something more modern for a number of reasons - pick any:
* the existing system works (eventually)
* cost to replace is viewed as prohibative
* system is too essential to be touched

and probably a few others I have left off.

Not saying I agree with it, or that it's the best way to run a business, but there it is. This is one area where the public and private sector are pretty consistent too, BTW (yes, I've been inside both).
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I doubt that 1000:1 compression will ever be a reality, and I doubt the need for it. The only reason for compression is for bandwidth limited networks to have the capability to pass content through in the proper timescale. As bandwidth goes up, really aggressive compression will have less of a purpose, and quality of the signal will become paramount.

If there is one truth in life, it's you can never have enough bandwidth.

I always thought someone like Riverbed would have deals with ISP's and clients for computers for users who are stuck on Cellular and Satellite technology - perhaps they do and I just missed it.

Oh, it looks like I did miss part of it:

http://www.riverbed.com/products/steelhead_mobile/

too bad you can have that as "value add" from an ISP like AT&T or Verizon...
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If there is one truth in life, it's you can never have enough bandwidth.

I always thought someone like Riverbed would have deals with ISP's and clients for computers for users who are stuck on Cellular and Satellite technology - perhaps they do and I just missed it.

Oh, it looks like I did miss part of it:

http://www.riverbed.com/products/steelhead_mobile/

too bad you can have that as "value add" from an ISP like AT&T or Verizon...

All sorts of things are happening.

Eventually we'll have 100Mb/s cellular service (real speed for wireless 100Mb's will be about 30 Mb/s, but still...).
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All sorts of things are happening.

Eventually we'll have 100Mb/s cellular service (real speed for wireless 100Mb's will be about 30 Mb/s, but still...).

Well have to beefier routers. I know someone in Finland whose internet bandwidth far exceeds what their Airport Extreme basestation can push. Its amazing when the router is the bottleneck for a consumer internet connection.
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The internet isn't free. It never really was.

It was never free. Bandwidth started out subsidized by the government, but there has always (and always will be) transport costs. ISP's will peer, but only if they consider the deal mutually beneficial.

When things go out of whack and you get a dispute, fireworks happen - just like with Sprint and Cogent last year:

http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-...c-internet-474

If the Internet were free, the above wouldn't be an issue....
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While I can agree with some of the specifics, and some of the concepts, it's really too broad and ambitious.

A number of cities, both large and small have tried citywide WiFi, only to have it fail. The expenses are very high, and the payback is too small.

Technology will pass it by. As 3G is supplanted by 4G and that is replaced by even faster technologies, the place for WiFi will disappear.

This will take place in the same time span it would take to implement broad area WiFi.

Except for buildings, I think it's a transient technology.

I doubt that 1000:1 compression will ever be a reality, and I doubt the need for it. The only reason for compression is for bandwidth limited networks to have the capability to pass content through in the proper timescale. As bandwidth goes up, really aggressive compression will have less of a purpose, and quality of the signal will become paramount.

We can see this with the offering of 256Kb/s compressed music files which used to be 128Kb/s. At some point, Apple, and others will offer higher quality content, eventually using their lossless compression standard for downloads.

Unless you want to pay much higher taxes, you're not getting service for free. even in heavily socialized countries, payment is required, and the difference in price is not that great. You have to pay for the hundreds of billions the networks cost to build and maintain.


I DON'T have all the facts correct I am sure. The 1000 to one compression on fiber optic has been available for 10 yrs. The inventor warned of the over laying of fiber because he claimed software he wrote can compress data packets 100 to 1. This was months before JD uni , Corel and Cisco stock prices crashed. Months LATER HE CLAIMED HE LIED, It was 1000 to 1 he stated. That is how or why we got so much dark fiber left over back then. I think .

My over all point is like our highway system . Of course it's not free free. We indirectly pay for all our roads and bridges. As you state 4g or things not even invented yet will speed up the process of wiring the whole country. Or will we even need wire's at all ?

But at some point in the future every large company involved in the internet. That wants to keep its or hold its place in the internet. Will give billtheirions of dollars to finish the wiring of America. Of course they will get something for their trouble. And local state and federal gov't will also pay for this. These large companies are allowed to exist as monopolies' including apple. That right of way given to them is not and will not be free forever. WE will nail them to the wall's if need be.

BUT it is coming . Every american will have easy and free access to the internet. How ever they work out the details. Our poorest child will learn to read in the clouds . And that video game she plays will make her a math champion at least she has a level shot.

The future is here . My friend has not paid for a phone call in years. And he makes a lot of call's .
And he's only tapped a tiny bit of the internet to do this.

Again all I am saying may end up as total bullshit and AT&T will charge us forever.

Or ten years from now companies like verizon who want to sell us everything that has content in it bundled and wrapped on a single bill/ Will be the way the telecoms will look like. And will Apple and Google and or France try to ALSO SUPPLY the content to us ?

The question why johnny can't read, will either haunt the Telecom's or it will open up trillions of dollars in future business. I guess the latter.

Its now 12 o'clock. Time for me to turn on hulu and watch ep. 7 of kings .


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The internet isn't free. It never really was.

You are wrong.

THE beach is free. Yet cities' erect barriers to access the said beach.
YET THE BEACH IS STILL FREE. So is the internet . Access to the internet may be restricted or like china outright blocked . The charges you pay are access charges. Which, as like the phone call situation, one day be free of charge.

Mel once your on the net what do you pay ?? Tell me .

Most of the barriers to a real free internet will disappear with competion . If you still are not sure that the internet is free then I will leave you with a single word.
hulu





is







free
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You are wrong.

THE beach is free. Yet cities' erect barriers to access the said beach.
YET THE BEACH IS STILL FREE. So is the internet . Access to the internet may be restricted or like china outright blocked . The charges you pay are access charges. Which, as like the phone call situation, one day be free of charge.

Mel once your on the net what do you pay ?? Tell me .

That's got to be the dumbest analogy I've ever heard.

Once you get into the amusement park how much do you pay for the rides? Are amusement parks therefore free?

Once you sit down in your seat in the movies how much do you pay? Does that mean movies are free?
post #160 of 191
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hulu
is
free

1) Hulu is NOT free - it's add supported

2) Hulu might not be "free" for much longer anyway:

http://www.google.com/search?q=hulu+may+start+charging
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