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post #41 of 71
... MapQuest's iPhone app is doing pretty well. #2 on the App Store's Top Free Navigation apps today... and gaining on the Yellow pages app quick. With all the mud being slung at MapQuest here today, and all the love being shown MapQuest in the App Store, one can only conclude there's a sharp divergence between this board and reality... at least when it comes to the obviously emotional MapQuest haters here.
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... MapQuest's iPhone app is doing pretty well. #2 on the App Store's Top Free Navigation apps today... and gaining on the Yellow pages app quick. With all the mud being slung at MapQuest here today, and all the love being shown MapQuest in the App Store, one can only conclude there's a sharp divergence between this board and reality... at least when it comes to the obviously emotional MapQuest haters here.

Ha.... wait so a highly publicized brand new app from a large name managed to make it ALL the way to #2 in the FREE subsection of a slow corner of the app store? Amazing! What an accomplishment!

Come back in a week and let us know what place it's in then. Why anyone would waste their time with this once they realize it can't access the iPhone address book, I have no clue (and I bet they don't)

Oh, and welcome to the board! What a great way to introduce yourself to a community! By insulting it...
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Ha.... wait so a highly publicized brand new app from a large name managed to make it ALL the way to #2 in the FREE subsection of a slow corner of the app store? Amazing! What an accomplishment!

I'm sure they'll appreciate your praise, cameronj. But I was wrong... it is not #2, it is #1 now. And I don't know where you pulled the "highly publicized" idea from. Where had you heard ANYthing about this app prior to the App Store release late last night?

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Come back in a week and let us know what place it's in then.

My pleasure! I'll be here.

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Why anyone would waste their time with this once they realize it can't access the iPhone address book, I have no clue (and I bet they don't)

What...? If it isn't perfect on first release it's a loser? Wow! Maybe they should have slapped a Google-style "Beta" label on it. Then they'd have months (or longer) to add address book interaction. I remeber when Google Maps first debuted... they didn't even have maps for countries outside of North America... just outlines. But they just kept plugging away and they've become a great service (yes, I actually think there's a lot to like about Google's mapping apps). They worked their way to the very top to go head to head with MapQuest. By some accounts they're ahead, by others MapQuest is. Which of the two services one may prefer (if either) is more a matter of taste at this point than a popular mandate that one is conclusively better than the other.

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Oh, and welcome to the board! What a great way to introduce yourself to a community! By insulting it...

Thanks for the welcome, cameronj. Contrary to your interpretation, I did not insult the board. I guess this is another of those "RTF Post" (read the FULL post) situations. Note, if you will, that I referred to the emotional haters on the board, not the entire board, or even all the contributors.

Oh... and I think you'll come to see that "free" part of the MapQuest app is not a reflection of quality, but a great way to get recalcitrant MapQuest detractors to test their conviction that Google is superior without risking any dinero.
post #44 of 71
I cringe every time I stumble on a business website that uses MapQuest instead of Google or Virtual Earth maps. Mapquest sucks.
post #45 of 71
Google Maps must have real cartographers. Google Maps is just extremely intuitive and quick to understand, visually. It has JUST the right amount of information. And like regular Google web queries, it just understands you. You don't need the right formatting or syntax. I loooove that more and more Google can just read your mind and know what you what you really want. It's the best online mapping I've come across. The one thing I wish is that it had a legend. Does anyone know if there is one, somewhere? I searched a bit and couldn't find one. That seems like actually a mind-boggling glitch. I still can't believe it sometimes. A map without a legend.

MapQuest on the other hand, has horrid maps, for my eye anyway. As others have pointed out, its directions are horrible. Sometimes Google Maps tells you a dumb way that will take much longer, but I'd say this only happens to me 1 time in 20. MapQuest I have seen this much more frequently. And it just looks awful. Awful interface. I don't think anyone uses it anymore except to laugh at.
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post #46 of 71
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Just to add an example that Google maps isn't perfect either...

A couple years back I used Google maps to look up directions from Toronto to Mont Tremblant

Google is a California company. They probably don't know what state Toronto is in and they might not even know there is such a thing as seasonal roads.
post #47 of 71
They could have put turn by turn in if they wanted...
post #48 of 71
I stopped using MapQuest after the directions it gave would have put my car about 6 miles out in the Atlantic Ocean. I really don't know how they expect to do well with this app when they didn't add turn-by-turn.
post #49 of 71
I think what it really comes down to is which map service has the most frequent updates.

Remember the paper map? Try using that in comparison to MapQuest and I am willing to bet that MapQuest wins hands down.

MapQuest, and Google Maps will try to best guide you but in case there is a snow storm several hours into your journey, and most importantly, after you printed your map, will not guarantee you the best route to take. As such of the time you put in your starting point and destination on a GPS and or iPhone. Chances are it will not automatically update of such things.

All that being said, I do agree that Google Maps is the better of the two.
post #50 of 71
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Originally Posted by GTL215 View Post

i've been wondering where Mapquest has been the past few years, while GoogleMaps has been hanging them out to dry. Now we know.

i wonder if they do?
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I can't believe no one is talking about the potential use of the data port to add better game controls in the form of a clip on device. Finally someone is:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7...CarouselArea.4

"Proper controller support. Sneaked in under the radar amid the iPhone 3G S news is the fact that the 3.0 software update allows third-party app interfacing with peripherals. While a larger focus on this functionality has been on medical devices, it's now possible for someone to make a clip-on control pad case and to have that controller be usable in any game. What should happen is that publishers gather to designate one universal controller that then gets adopted as the iPhone's "gamepad." The question is, who will make that accessory? For a while last year it was rumored to be Belkin, although it was unclear who would support the device. On consoles, the manufacturer usually settles these issues by making the controller themselves (except in the case of peripheral-driven games like Rock Band). "

What ? You dare to go back on topic .
You interrupted the bash the cop who opened his heart about map quest, While vlad jumped down his throat. While others took other sides in this tuesday morning mapquest vs google map topic thread free for all.
Some people here showed great expertise with the quote function, putting up 17 selective quote's
To prove the point that country not county was not said but was misread and then misread by a mob with torches late at night .

My map quest game pad rocks . And cops across the county........

My head in truth started to spin trying to follow this soap opera.
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post #52 of 71
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Ha.... wait so a highly publicized brand new app from a large name managed to make it ALL the way to #2 in the FREE subsection of a slow corner of the app store? Amazing! What an accomplishment!

Come back in a week and let us know what place it's in then. Why anyone would waste their time with this once they realize it can't access the iPhone address book, I have no clue (and I bet they don't)

Oh, and welcome to the board! What a great way to introduce yourself to a community! By insulting it...

Well the board did attack that policeman, and county is not country.
Any way i support you in this great debate . You made a clear valid, calm the crowd down kinda point .

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post #53 of 71
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I'm sure they'll appreciate your praise, cameronj. But I was wrong... it is not #2, it is #1 now. And I don't know where you pulled the "highly publicized" idea from. Where had you heard ANYthing about this app prior to the App Store release late last night?



My pleasure! I'll be here.



What...? If it isn't perfect on first release it's a loser? Wow! Maybe they should have slapped a Google-style "Beta" label on it. Then they'd have months (or longer) to add address book interaction. I remeber when Google Maps first debuted... they didn't even have maps for countries outside of North America... just outlines. But they just kept plugging away and they've become a great service (yes, I actually think there's a lot to like about Google's mapping apps). They worked their way to the very top to go head to head with MapQuest. By some accounts they're ahead, by others MapQuest is. Which of the two services one may prefer (if either) is more a matter of taste at this point than a popular mandate that one is conclusively better than the other.



Thanks for the welcome, cameronj. Contrary to your interpretation, I did not insult the board. I guess this is another of those "RTF Post" (read the FULL post) situations. Note, if you will, that I referred to the emotional haters on the board, not the entire board, or even all the contributors.

Oh... and I think you'll come to see that "free" part of the MapQuest app is not a reflection of quality, but a great way to get recalcitrant MapQuest detractors to test their conviction that Google is superior without risking any dinero.

Welcome ,

And you have missed the whole thread. It was map quest vs google. With map quest getting trashed really badly with real life stories and even some cop bashing took place.

No matter what you say, No matter how you slice it.
From day one map quest has gotten many people very lost and google has been there for us with great directions. Also I think google is fantastic with their GOGGLE EARTH thing up.

Welcome to AI dude .

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post #54 of 71
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I think what it really comes down to is which map service has the most frequent updates.

Remember the paper map? Try using that in comparison to MapQuest and I am willing to bet that MapQuest wins hands down.

o.

I only use laminated paper maps. I have about 3 dozen from acoross the county ,
Sorry i mean country.

And i did take a map reading course once. duh. So when i travel with my family I only use paper.

for example if i need to go from NYC to miami . i get on route 95 and stay there until miami.
easy right. map quest printed out 3 pages of directions. google printed 2 lines of instructions.

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post #55 of 71
Installed it, loaded it, phone locked up, rebooted phone.
loaded it, phone locked up, rebooted phone.
loaded it, phone locked up, rebooted phone.
Deleted app, 1 star, will wait for update.
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post #56 of 71
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Cops are generally disliked because of their need to control other people's lives. It's the same reason people dislike politicians, school officials and corporations. Just because police are able to get away with brutality, even when it is recorded using digital video and audio, and distributed on YouTube, doesn't mean that their sentiment is any different. It just means the people haven't fully united yet and started taking back "our" country and rights from the inevitable police state we are creating.

End rant.

While some officers do enter in the field for the wrong reasons as you cite, you cannot apply the stereotype to all officers.

The best way to amend this "police state" you prophesy of would be to enroll in the police academy and show everyone how the job is "supposed" to be done. Or I suppose we could do away with police entirely.

While I do despise those who enter the force to exert authority over others, I admire the many who join to try and combat that stereotype, knowing that they'll still be subjected to it and will forever be disrespected by those who don't have the stones to do the job themselves.

End. rant.
post #57 of 71
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Google is a California company. They probably don't know what state Toronto is in and they might not even know there is such a thing as seasonal roads.

So true... Also, there is a Toronto in Ohio, so perhaps that caused some confusion?
 
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post #58 of 71
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It's such a luxury to hide behind a computer screen. I bet cops get the most shit from people on the web and the least shit from people in person.

Maybe that's because you can't shoot someone over the www?

I'm impressed that he can read and has the skills to use the internet.
post #59 of 71
I covered this news in yesterday's Moxie Mo Show (http://moxiemo.mevio.com) but come on Mapquest, this is so 2008. Where were you when the iPhone launched? I think it's a lil' too late to get in the GPS mapping mobile game.

Thoughts?
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post #60 of 71
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Originally Posted by a_greer View Post

this may have been interesting last year, but with Googls doing such a good job, and TOMTOM and Garmin waiting in the wing, this is a non starter...

Garmin will not be developing for the iPhone as they are putting all their efforts behind their upcoming NuviPhone that they are developing with ASUS.

Yes... another SmartPhone.
post #61 of 71
Hmmm, at first glance it seems that the interface consistently squanders valuable screen realestate...
post #62 of 71
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Originally Posted by jeffmccord View Post

... come on Mapquest, this is so 2008. Where were you when the iPhone launched? I think it's a lil' too late to get in the GPS mapping mobile game...

Sorry Moxie Mo, but that just makes no sense. Was it too late for Google to get into online mapping 10 years after MapQuest had been doing it?

When Apple was all but out of it, did anyone say it was too late for them to make breakout products and revolutionary operating systems?

And MapQuest has been in the GPS game for quite awhile... this just happens to be their first iPhone mapping app.

I know many people think the sun rises and sets on Apple, but really, if we're going to look at everything filtered through apple-red glasses, let's at least admit that we're NOT objective when we do so. That way readers/viewers will know when they're getting truly objective reporting or the type of "fair and balanced" editorialization that FOX "News" promulgates.

Keep on mapping!
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Hmmm, at first glance it seems that the interface consistently squanders valuable screen realestate...

dfiler... would you elaborate, please? I'm interested in your feedback re: screen real estate efficiency.

Looking forward to your reply.

iB
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dfiler... would you elaborate, please? I'm interested in your feedback re: screen real estate efficiency.

Looking forward to your reply.

iB

With a more in depth look, it seems that squandering screen real estate isn't the biggest problem. But it is the most immediate indicator that usability problems abound.

Most notable are the double toolbars at the bottom of the screen. Granted, the 2nd one is collapsable. But even then, it consumes about 40% more space than what is truly necessary. It could be made smaller by eliminating a bit of the excessive white space around the four toolbar buttons. They are already distinct and large enough that all that white space isn't needed. Also, are the icons really needed in the toolbar? They're all labeled with text anyway. First rule of thumb when designing interfaces for tiny screens, screen space is valuable, even those 10 extra rows of pixels consumed by a pointlessly large and graphical toolbar.

A "MapQuest" logo on the screen all the time. It's somewhat insulting and hampers viewing of maps. It is the largest text on the map. Yes, it is larger than every single label on the map. 24/7, the mapquest logo is fighting for our attention.

There are a number of other interface annoyances too, besides wasting screen real estate. Upon further inspection, they make my screen space complaints seem trivial.

Searching isn't terribly intuitive. I clicked on the search field with the magnifying glass "search for business or address", typed my address, and touched the search button. But no results came up. Why? because that was just a decoy search field, you actually have to use the secondary data entry field if you want to search for an address. Fine. So I click on that second search field, retype the address, and press the search button. Still no results. Why? because it ignored the data entry focus and continued to search using the first search field. So I deleted the text from the first field and pressed search. Still no results. Why? I misspelled my street name. So I click on the search field and where does it put data entry focus? On the search field that I wasn't using, the first search field.

Zooming in or out is also problematic. Rather than showing a scaled copy of the current zoom level until the new zoom level loads, a completely blank screen is shown... even if you switch back to the previous, already loaded zoom level. This is incredibly frustrating in areas with poor cell coverage. Accidentally zoom and you lose the map entirely. That's another show stopper for me at least. (This is a HUUUGE issue)

Ok, so let's say you've typed in an address and want to find directions to it. Better be prepared to retype that address. It doesn't automatically transfer from the search view to the directions view. But once you do start loading route info, the app locks up completely until the route is computed. Once again, problematic in areas with bad reception.

I'd continue this critique but the app refuses to load data despite having 5 bars of reception. "Can't load route due to a connectivity problem. Please check your internet connection." All other apps work fine.



Don't get me wrong, it's great to see MapQuest enter the fray and provide well funded competition. But they've got quite a way to go before MapQuest compares to the alternative.

I'll try to use it some more tonight and finish the critique. There are certainly more usability issues worth commenting on.
post #65 of 71
Great feedback, dfiler! Thank you. Will pass that on. Look for another app update very soon in response to significant user feedback of all sorts.

I look forward to more from you and anyone else who has the time and the inclination to do a thoughtful critique. We really are looking for your thoughts to improve our offerings.

Thanks, again!

iB
post #66 of 71
Wow, politely soliciting feedback without any rebutal?
(dfiler checks url to make sure he's still on the AI website)

The network problem turned out to be a widespread intermittent outage in western PA and OH this morning. I'm not sure why it was more noticeable in MapQuest or if it was just my imagination.

I am eagerly anticipating the next release. Competition is a great thing for us users. Welcome to the iPhone and thankyou for being acceptive to feedback. I know it is never easy to read posts like the one I wrote above. As a software developer myself, I know criticism can be a bit painful, no matter whether right or wrong.
post #67 of 71
Ha! No.... no rebuttal. Honest critique I can deal with. Heck I welcome it. It's the attacks from people who just repeat what they hear without checking things out for themselves that chaps my ass!

Thanks, again, and if you know anyone else who has tried it, or would like to, please let them know their comments are welcome here.

iB
post #68 of 71
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for example if i need to go from NYC to miami . i get on route 95 and stay there until miami. easy right. map quest printed out 3 pages of directions. google printed 2 lines of instructions.

Hey, brucep... a little hyperbole is understandable, but 3 pages vs. 2 lines?!?! C'mon...

Here's a link to Google Maps' "New York City, NY" to "Miami, FL" route:

<iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;source=s_d&amp;saddr=New+York+City,+N Y&amp;daddr=Miami,+FL&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;m ra=ls&amp;sll=33.27648,-77.836625&amp;sspn=24.318337,39.375&amp;ie=UTF8&am p;ll=33.277555,-77.836775&amp;spn=15.00661,7.69965&amp;output=embe d"></iframe><br /><small><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&amp;source=embed&amp;saddr=New+York+City, +NY&amp;daddr=Miami,+FL&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp ;mra=ls&amp;sll=33.27648,-77.836625&amp;sspn=24.318337,39.375&amp;ie=UTF8&am p;ll=33.277555,-77.836775&amp;spn=15.00661,7.69965" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left">View Larger Map</a></small>

And here's a link to the same route from MapQuest:

http://www.mapquest.com/mq/8-OvDYX4UeJyqy

Looks like the same number of maneuvers to me. And check out how much more manageable MapQuest's link is!
post #69 of 71
I created a site about Google maps vs mapquest where you enter one address and the result shows up for both services.. check it out
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mapquest got me lost in the middle of kentucky once. That was fun, especially since me and my girlfriend were freaking out so much over the directions we failed to notice we needed to get gas. We puttered into an exxon at 4am and miraculously it took credit cards.

Screw mapquest.

A couple of months ago, I was looking for a grocery store on a side of town I wasn't familiar with, and Google Maps directed me into the middle of an apartment complex. It's happened a few other times as well, though not often.

Am I the only one that's had this happen with Google?

(Note: I'm certainly not say MapQuest is better. I haven't used MapQuest in years.)
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Originally Posted by garytheguru View Post

I created a site about Google maps vs mapquest where you enter one address and the result shows up for both services.. check it out

Whoa. I just tried a couple addresses familiar to me on there, and Mapquest was off by a block on one and off by a country mile on the other. I had no idea it was that lousy.

The block one was so weird, because the street name I had entered was visible right there in the field of view, but Mapquest just decided to put their little star a block over. How the hell do you get that wrong?

Pretty cool little site there, by the way.
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