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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Well Sprint can't be pleased about this, either.

They're relying on a virtually flawless Pre (it has to be) in order to save them.

This like the titanic sinking

Over at pre-central the topic's about the crack screens are running over 13 pages long each .

Picture UPS sending 100,000 cracked screen pre's baCk to palm central . Piling up with 8 dollar an hour trained repair people avoiding work by twittering how they are avoiding work. While the broken pre's continue to pile up

And the palm guy on top just sits there with his 3gs mumbling about how the hell does hulu not charge for free movies .

And the band plays on.....

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post #202 of 367
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it was a whole page back >>>> read below my original post to find the link
about 2 inchs down


http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/app...rsonal-3g.html


Good Read . The pre doesn't matter anymore. They can sell a trillion. But the sweet sexy powerful 3gs,is the new standard by which all phones will be measured. Not to better the 3gs . No no that won't happen. We gauge how close any new phone can come to the 3gs.

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I hadn't seen that one before. Interesting.
post #203 of 367
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It seems to me that the focus on games was led by the developers and consumers. This is the free market at work.

Thompson

Well I guess the real question is what are the percentage of games and junk App vs real utility /productivity Apps. Has a pie chart ever ben shown? The perception is more of the former rather than the latter.
post #204 of 367
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This like the titanic sinking

Over at pre-central the topic's about the crack screens are running over 13 pages long each .

Picture UPS sending 100,000 cracked screen pre's baCk to palm central . Piling up with 8 dollar an hour trained repair people avoiding work by twittering how they are avoiding work. While the broken pre's continue to pile up

And the palm guy on top just sits there with his 3gs mumbling about how the hell does hulu not charge for free movies .

And the band plays on.....

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And somewhere . . . Steve Jobs is smilng slyly.

We have yet to see the full fallout from this, plus Palms numbers, but somehow I think that the "iPod Killer" curse applies to phones as well.
post #205 of 367
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Originally Posted by BertP View Post

I took a look at that article. Some comments. One, the idea of the iPhone 3G S serving as a control panel for attachments is exciting. Two, iPhone OS 3.0 is more than a "platform". It is an adaptation of Mac OS X, with limitations and enhancements, and the possibilities that adaptation allows. Just two examples: multi-touch gestures leveraged from the iPhone to Mac laptop trackpads, VoiceOver leveraged from Mac OS X to the iPhone 3G S. Fourth, since the iPod Touch also runs on iPhone OS 3.0, it can also can benefit from software leveraging when a hardware refresh occurs in the future. Note: I used the term "leveraging" because I couldn't think of a better term for now.

leveraging or migrating or porting . i dunno .

But YES with the correct set of apps you can turn your 3gs into a remote control for any device, say for example your new PRE screen cracks and you can't retrieve important company information that your boss is waiting on. You whip out your 3GS and install the correct set of app's and turn the pre into a slave and suck out all the info you need , later on that same fateful night while at a fancy yet dress down Seattle fish restaurant that is playing string quartet music over the sound system you once again whip out your 3gs and install, correct set of apps and turn it into a remote for the music system and play songs from your 3gs . Maybe some hendrix. Or some Neil young live at massey .

Streaming media movies songs whatever to say a Tv in a bar . Or even taking apps or any media you want from another 3gs is also another thing that's possible.

We are limited by our weak minds here. The future possibilities are astounding. 40 player on a side real live street games played in a real/virtual world is already planned. Your 3GS GPS APP's Function's would know when you passed a certain point or goal or physical street marker location in the game .

Sims will never be the same and the wi may wanna make a deal with apple soon.

ANYway enough bullspit from me. I kinda get excited at times and start.......

APPLE had me at 5000 songs in my pocket ........
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post #206 of 367
Bruce, while I agree this would be a nightmare if true, there is just no way you can extrapolate how many "actual" owners have cracked screens. Online polls like that are selective, if you have a cracked screen maybe you're more likely to respond to the poll, and that doesn't even include the number of people with some sort of malicious intent trying to skew numbers to scare people from purchasing the Pre. Not to mention the size of your "sample" here.

I for one would love to see the Pre continue to innovate and push Apple to do so as well. I love my iPhone, but yes there are things that can always improve. One thing I would love that the Pre has is... (no not multitasking) to be able to select bluetooth, or wifi at the top of the screen and gain access to the controls from a drop down menu or some other type of interface, just like you can in OSX. There's no reason for me to go to settings -- General -- Bluetooth -- and then toggle the switch to turn it on and off when there's a visual indicator right on the homescreen that can be utilized for that purpose. All in all the changes Apple has made are great, but they can always improve the product. 3.0 was a much larger update than most people realize. Sure they had to throw some features in there to get people excited like copy&paste and typing in landscape mode, but where we will really benefit is from the stuff that developers come up... and I'm not just talking about apps, but also the integration of hardware (look up AirStrip http://www.airstriptech.com/)

And now for a little Apple plug... the 3GS SOOOO much faster, definitely worth the upgrade.


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Concerning the cracked plastic PRE phones.
I feel ill. So many people were so upset, and sprint was stonewalling the whole thing.

There is a poll over at precentral <<what a name huh>> that shows 6 out of 28 PRE's had crack screens. So if they sold 280,000. PRE'S < pronounced pray > that means they may have over 60'000 cracked or cracking screens .AND over the next two weeks maybe tens of thousands more.

This is one of the worst consumer nightmares ever. < I am not grinning right now > .

I can just imagine consumer reports rating on this phone > zero

So the sky looks sunny for the 3g -3gs world. AS word gets out about this fiasco sales, for the 3gs should go even higher. and the re-sale for the 3g should also hold its ground.


Ps sprint is not taking back the cracked phones.
post #207 of 367
to know what apps are running in the background, when your on the home screen you could always highlight the name of the app. and from what i currently understand, i could be wrong, but apps don't close all the way? so if you double tapped on one of the background apps a little window would pop up giving the option to close out of the app. kinda like the little tab that pops up when you want to copy/paste. thats just my thoughts on the matter.

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I think we all agree, but I think many of us feel that most apps dont need background apps to still be functional, even when offline, and that the way its implemented is very important. I dont think WebOS, Android or WinMo are doing it correctly for end users or developers.


Excellent list!


For that reason I think Apple is working on background apps. I support their decision not to include it with the previous two models as CPU and RAM just arent good enough, but that limitation seems to have vanished as of today.


I dont think its BS, but its certainly not the most prominent issue. I dont think that we should automatically assume the user of a consumer device is tech savvy. With a device like the iPhone I think its important for Apple to work out the logistics of how backgrounds apps run and not jsut let them loose until the RAM is filled.

For example, Apple could allow for 2 apps to run in the background, but only apps that meet RAM, CPU and internet bandwidth guidelines. This would help maintain the usability of your foreground app and help developers since they know the maximum damage the background apps could inflict on the system at large.

This could be turned on via the Settings » Background Apps where apps that have met the requirements by app are listed and where you get to toggle On the apps you wish to allow. This may include the iPod app as it does seem to take a toll on the system, at least with the first two iPhones.

Two know which iPhones are running in the background the Menu Bar could have a small icon to the left of the battery indictor or other icons on that side denoting a [B} for background apps running. Or a small icon of the app that is running in the background, though that may be too small to represent. The icon on the Home Page that is set for background app running could get a special badge or have the icon change slightly but noticeably so its easy to see.

But how would you kill the app if you no longer wanted it to run in the background? Would you have to go into settings to toggle it to Off?

Just some ideas, that was off the top of my head for how Apple could do it safely for their less-than-technical crowd. Id love to hear some better examples.
post #208 of 367
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Originally Posted by joeypk07 View Post

Bruce, while I agree this would be a nightmare if true, there is just no way you can extrapolate how many "actual" owners have cracked screens. Online polls like that are selective, if you have a cracked screen maybe you're more likely to respond to the poll, and that doesn't even include the number of people with some sort of malicious intent trying to skew numbers to scare people from purchasing the Pre. Not to mention the size of your "sample" here.

I for one would love to see the Pre continue to innovate and push Apple to do so as well. I love my iPhone, but yes there are things that can always improve. One thing I would love that the Pre has is... (no not multitasking) to be able to select bluetooth, or wifi at the top of the screen and gain access to the controls from a drop down menu or some other type of interface, just like you can in OSX. There's no reason for me to go to settings -- General -- Bluetooth -- and then toggle the switch to turn it on and off when there's a visual indicator right on the homescreen that can be utilized for that purpose. All in all the changes Apple has made are great, but they can always improve the product. 3.0 was a much larger update than most people realize. Sure they had to throw some features in there to get people excited like copy&paste and typing in landscape mode, but where we will really benefit is from the stuff that developers come up... and I'm not just talking about apps, but also the integration of hardware (look up AirStrip http://www.airstriptech.com/)

And now for a little Apple plug... the 3GS SOOOO much faster, definitely worth the upgrade.

Well the number I made up as of 5 hours ago were a joke. It is now looking like every pre screen will crack at some point due to it being fragile . it is not like some screens are 1,3mm thick and may carck and some are 1.45 mm thick and can withstand rock fights .They are mass produced all the same .While my post above was tongue in cheek I would also say to you that wishing the pre to push apple higher is just not gonna happen. Only apple can push apple higher. And the software now drives the hardware, fantastic.

Enjoy your iphoe dude .

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We have to wonder why sprint got first dibs ??
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post #209 of 367
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And somewhere . . . Steve Jobs is smilng slyly.

We have yet to see the full fallout from this, plus Palms numbers, but somehow I think that the "iPod Killer" curse applies to phones as well.

Steve is a happy camper after this weekend, hmm i forgot that the 3gs is an ipod .
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post #210 of 367
Bruce I hear ya... still a concern either way... and no way to tell if it's something that will crop up in other Pre's down the line. Always hard to tell the long-term durability of a new product.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It's not satirical. Those comments are real.

Here's one thread about the cracks:

http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/me...age.uid=207668

What's interesting, is that while articles I've read in the media say that Palm and Sprint are handling this well, the customers here are mostly saying otherwise, requiring the insurance with a $100 upfront cost.

Here's from pre/central.net, where those comments have been coming from.

They would be incredibly funny, if they weren't so sadly real:

http://www.precentral.net/psb-pre-screen-cracks-emerge

Read this stuff, and come back and comment on it.

Ouch...and they are making some folks pony up $100.
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Originally Posted by joeypk07 View Post

Bruce I hear ya... still a concern either way... and no way to tell if it's something that will crop up in other Pre's down the line. Always hard to tell the long-term durability of a new product.

I am a gem stone dealer. And i have an idea that either the plastic was not allowed to set right, Or the pressure from around the screen < like a car windshield > is making it crack .

What is about to happen is a feeding frenzy with the pre customers swamping sprint stores with every little complaint. Right or wrong or true or false complaints. They have a short window to return their phone .30 day ? This is a very exspensive phone, Right now there asking a $100 dollar insurance fee or if i am wrong // only the people who paid a $100 dollar insurance fee gets a new phone

Who will pay for all these bad phones , And many people who have already replaced their cracked phone's have had it crack again. Go to palm central and read up dude before you hope for a better pre product. It may be over already .

Look joey the promise of what pre would be, will happen with another phone, Palm wiil learn and grow. At least its name will. Tech squads will step in and fix it and sell it next time in a more subdued manner.

Enjoy the weekend dude

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post #213 of 367
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Bruce I hear ya... still a concern either way... and no way to tell if it's something that will crop up in other Pre's down the line. Always hard to tell the long-term durability of a new product.

While we don't yet know the extent of this, it is worrying. Apparently, there are two different color boxes, or color trimmed boxes. The black ones seem to be having many problems with cracks from the button, as well as from the top and sides, along with some bubbling along the upper part of the screen. The orange boxed models, so far, are either scarce, or are not having as many problems. We'll just need some more time, and more phones sold to know what is happening.

A few years ago, I don't remember if it was with the Nano or the older Mini, but there were a number of reports of screens cracking. After a few weeks, or maybe just two, Apple announced that one run had problems. Apparently, the cut-out in the case for the screen was just a tiny bit too small (i.e. out of spec), and it put compression on the edges of the screen, which then broke from some slight flex or other handling activity. Apple said that there were about 20,000 units affected, gave the serial numbers out, and told people to get a new one.

Incident over!

The question here is how Palm and Sprint are handling this. If they're making many people pay that $100 deductible, then that's going to be a publicity nightmare.

The other problem is the scratching. Apple was given hell for a time about scratching screens. They came up with a very good solution. Later MS copied it for the Zune (surprise! But at least they saw a good idea, kudo's to them for that).

Now, palm want to make their new model seem so modern, curved and sleek. So they use an all plastic surface that, unlike the back case of my old Treo 700p, isn't scratch resistant. They also fail to recess the screen by even the slightest amount.

Well, its getting scratched. How will the public react to that, long term? They'll need a completely different design for a glass screen, because for one, they'll need to recess it a bit for safety.
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I am a gem stone dealer. And i have an idea that either the plastic was not allowed to set right, Or the pressure from around the screen < like a car windshield > is making it crack .

What is about to happen is a feeding frenzy with the pre customers swamping sprint stores with every little complaint. Right or wrong or true or false complaints. They have a short window to return their phone .30 day ? This is a very exspensive phone, Right now there asking a $100 dollar insurance fee or if i am wrong // only the people who paid a $100 dollar insurance fee gets a new phone

Who will pay for all these bad phones , And many people who have already replaced their cracked phone's have had it crack again. Go to palm central and read up dude before you hope for a better pre product. It may be over already .

Look joey the promise of what pre would be, will happen with another phone, Palm wiil learn and grow. At least its name will. Tech squads will step in and fix it and sell it next time in a more subdued manner.

Enjoy the weekend dude

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I strongly suspect that the glass LCD screen behind the plastic outside, is likely bonded to it. But it seems to me that the expansion rates from the two materials, together with the design, are incompatible. The heat from the charging seems to be blamed for at least part of this, as the temperature around the button, where most of the cracks start, becomes very high. The Touchstone charger is even worse in this regard, apparently.

If this is the problem, they are in for a new design.

Gemstone dealer hmm. What types of stones do you work with. I'm very interested in gemstones and minerals.
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Just spoke to Rogers.

Anybody that has had their iPhone 3G for at least 6 months can trade it in for a new 3GS for $250 CDN.

Tomorrow's Father's Day. Right?
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I strongly suspect that the glass LCD screen behind the plastic outside, is likely bonded to it. But it seems to me that the expansion rates from the two materials, together with the design, are incompatible. The heat from the charging seems to be blamed for at least part of this, as the temperature around the button, where most of the cracks start, becomes very high. The Touchstone charger is even worse in this regard, apparently.

If this is the problem, they are in for a new design.

Gemstone dealer hmm. What types of stones do you work with. I'm very interested in gemstones and minerals.

So is this a limited run problem or a system wide problem. Imay be talking in a funny manner but this is a disaster for palm. They should have quietly, with no itunes talk at all , quietly introduced the pre. and let it evolve into its niche, ODDLY the zune has a 2 or 3 million person following . They love the zune to death. Why not. and that is still alot of people . Palm should have shot for asmaller market and grew out from there.

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post #217 of 367
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So is this a limited run problem or a system wide problem. Imay be talking in a funny manner but this is a disaster for palm. They should have quietly, with no itunes talk at all , quietly intrduced the pre. and let it evolve into its niche, ODDLY the zune has a 2 or 3 million person following . They love the zune to death. Why not. and that is still alot of people . Palm should have shot for asmaller market and grew out fromthere.

I guess they had no choice about it. If they were do introduce it quietly, even if that were possible, the media wouldn't have let them, and they need the sales quickly. But these problems, if widespread, could hurt them.

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Gem stones . all shades of tourmaline red rubelite pink. green .blue green.coco brown yellow .
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Very interesting. Yes, do PM me please.
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Just spoke to Rogers.

Anybody that has had their iPhone 3G for at least 6 months can trade it in for a new 3GS for $250 CDN.

Tomorrow's Father's Day. Right?

I thought it was $199.

I'll have had mine for a full year come Aug 1.
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I thought it was $199.

I'll have had mine for a full year come Aug 1.

The relative value of the currencies.
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So is this a limited run problem or a system wide problem. Imay be talking in a funny manner but this is a disaster for palm. They should have quietly, with no itunes talk at all , quietly introduced the pre. and let it evolve into its niche, ODDLY the zune has a 2 or 3 million person following . They love the zune to death. Why not. and that is still alot of people . Palm should have shot for asmaller market and grew out from there.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
here is my post card blurb w/ poem

northway stocks...
in CALIBRATED sizes from 1.3mm and up rounds and princess cuts in ruby, PINK, BLUE SAPPhire . tsavorite, mali grossular, mandarin garnets, aquamarine pink/ red tourm. bluegreen & green etc ....
---------
in calibrated and loose
beryls; fine aquamarine, yellow beryl & green beryl
garnets ; tsavorite, mali, mandarin, spessarite, rhodolite, malaya,
tourmalines red, rubelite,pink, indicolite, african green &
blue green, chrome tourm
fancy color tourmalines; yellow, lite sea green, peach to rootbeer browns etc...
precious topaz , fine peridot large size
also iolite, chrome diopside, lime, maderia citrine & amethyst etc..
======
IN chalcedony[ largeb stock & milky aqua cab
MANY CALIBRATED SIZES IN ROUND ANT OVAL

IN BRIOLETTES UP TO 10 COLORS
IN DOWN DRILL
6X4 7X5 8X5 9X6 10X7 12X7 AND 15X8
IN SIDE DRILL 6X4 7X5 8X5 AND ASSORTED LARGER

============ poem break =====================
on a silver horse the white queen rode down the frozen valley. a shattered ice world was hers. forever in shadow. her cape shimmering in silver and diamonds mirrored the endless night. behold far off a horn blew.
the queen swiftly rode on.
the pipers at the gates of dawn willed her on. far in the distance upon the highest peak she espied dawns coming. a single ray of sun caught the inside of her cloak, revealing many wonderful hued gems.a rainbow of beryls, rubies, garnets, tourmalines, azure.
yes, i remember she whispered ....
winter still reigned
still spring was coming bp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

i have some cool minerals too some for sale
some i would give you free
some i can show you only

i have some sleeping tourmalines needle crystals in quartz matrix that is the cats meow .


peace


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Amazing! This is some very interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.
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The relative value of the currencies.

Ah, right.
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44 people reading this thread right now, only 11 of you have the time to say if your phone got faster or slower after OS 3.0? Cmon

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=99533
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Ouch...and they are making some folks pony up $100.

Few months ago my iPhone 3G headphone button was acting up (I admit abusing them). One weekend I was at the mall and decided to go to the Apple store and see what they can do, no appointment. They replaced them on the spot no questions asked. There was a guy next to me who was complaining about his iPhone getting warm. The manager apologized and told him it is normal but will exchanged his iPhone for free.

I have never seen this before in my life. Every time I tried to get something repaired I used to spend more than half the time explaining the problem and convince them that it was not my fault and ending up paying for the repairs myself. This never happened to me with Apple and this is why paying extra for Apple products never bothered me.
post #224 of 367
This is a good sign for background apps coming to the iPhone 3GS looking at the available RAM in iStat. It's not the only factor but it's the primary one to consider before any other metric.



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44 people reading this thread right now, only 11 of you have the time to say if your phone got faster or slower after OS 3.0? Cmon

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=99533

Friday it was crazy in here…


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I have never seen this before in my life. Every time I tried to get something repaired I used to spend more than half the time explaining the problem and convince them the it was not my fault and ends up paying for the repairs. This never happened to me with Apple.

I have a unibody MB trackpad wonkiness. Requires sending it in, but I was able to get a new iPhone cable (it was offered after seeing how mine was tore up) and get new in-ear headphones. The new ones are more rubbery, which helps prevent them from getting tangled but the rubber on all three ends have ripped. I’ve had them yanked quite a few times but this ripping seems to be a flaw in the design. The built-in controls still work and are still firmly attached despite what some here would like you to think about that nifty inclusion.

I did buy the Nike+ fob with my iPhone 3GS. Since I don’t need the 802.11 receiver sticking out of my iDevice anymore I figured I’d get another one. I gave my last one away as it wasn’t convenient enough.
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Either that or it means Pre-eminent.

No it's 'Pre-viously' worked at Apple where we got all the ideas.
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Was that sales figure just for phone sales? I don't think so. They charge for their servers as well as for other support services. That's a large part of their sales.

That would strengthen my point, since $450 would be an upper limit.
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Well I guess the real question is what are the percentage of games and junk App vs real utility /productivity Apps. Has a pie chart ever ben shown? The perception is more of the former rather than the latter.

one man's trash is another man's treasure
post #228 of 367
Primarily because of the keyboard...i do a tone of typing and there's no way with that keyboard....
If somehow they'd made a KB just like the 650, it's likely I'd have the pre. Secondarily, the smaller screen.
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Amazing! This is some very interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.

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post #230 of 367
Looking at this video, I see that the Pre has a Top Sites-like setup for new browser windows. I like this and hope Apple implements this too.

http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/06...er-speed-test/ (1min:38sec)
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post #231 of 367
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I would have expected the nature of WebOS to offer a faster system but it seems that they haven't optimized well for the HW.

More probably, palm actually dogfoods, so they code apps with Mojo and the launch time we can see is the difference between launching native apps and launching an interpreter to run the apps.

Of course, one has to remember that once an application is launched on the Pre, barring memory constraints it can stay open. On the iPhone, not so much.
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Good Read . The pre doesn't matter anymore. They can sell a trillion. But the sweet sexy powerful 3gs,is the new standard by which all phones will be measured. Not to better the 3gs . No no that won't happen. We gauge how close any new phone can come to the 3gs.

That article reads like an ad, for what it's worth. It's disgusting.
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This like the titanic sinking

Not more than the iPhone hairline crack, or the whitebook hairline & palmrest cracks.

It was a given the Pre's hardware would have issues, your feigning surprise at it is disingenuous, especially on an Apple forum given Apple's track record on 1st-gen hardware casings.
post #232 of 367
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Well I guess the real question is what are the percentage of games and junk App vs real utility /productivity Apps. Has a pie chart ever ben shown? The perception is more of the former rather than the latter.

Your skewed perception maybe.
post #233 of 367
Great rebuttal, addabox.

I'm truly sick of the Apple haters for whom the glass is ALWAYS half-empty.

I truly do believe they're envious geeks, one and all.
post #234 of 367
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I thought it was $199.

I'll have had mine for a full year come Aug 1.

It still is. But if you have only had it for only 6 months they are letting you get a new iPhone by letting you trading in your old one for $50 more, i.e., $250*.

The other deal, i.e., if you qualify, i.e., have had the iPhone for 9-12 months and your basic monthly service charges (not including extras like minutes, long distance, etc., or taxes) are $100 or more, you can get a new iPhone for $199.

Nothing to do with the exchange rate.

$250 CDN = $220 US.
post #235 of 367
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44 people reading this thread right now, only 11 of you have the time to say if your phone got faster or slower after OS 3.0? Cmon

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=99533

Most don't have an iPhone
post #236 of 367
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More probably, palm actually dogfoods, so they code apps with Mojo and the launch time we can see is the difference between launching native apps and launching an interpreter to run the apps.

Of course, one has to remember that once an application is launched on the Pre, barring memory constraints it can stay open. On the iPhone, not so much.

More probably, optimization is usually the last thing you do unless performance is really hideous.

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That article reads like an ad, for what it's worth. It's disgusting.

All it is saying is that the software is what makes the iPhone special. Just like for the iPod. So while it's not very profound, it also happens to be true.

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Not more than the iPhone hairline crack, or the whitebook hairline & palmrest cracks.

It was a given the Pre's hardware would have issues, your feigning surprise at it is disingenuous, especially on an Apple forum given Apple's track record on 1st-gen hardware casings.

Except even in Apple's worst days when Jobs came back they had money in the bank - 1.3B in 1999...not $176M. Total equity for Palm is $111M vs $3B for Apple in 1999.

I don't have the balance sheet for Apple in 1997 but they payed $427M for NeXT. As grim as it was in 1997 APPL had the ability to launch a couple major products without trouble.

Palm does not. This is Palm's last shot and cracks appearing this early, and that major isn't a good thing. And no, it wasn't a given that the Pre would have hardware issues. I have a Tungsten that I finally broke that was rock solid.
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Few months ago my iPhone 3G headphone button was acting up (I admit abusing them). One weekend I was at the mall and decided to go to the Apple store and see what they can do, no appointment. They replaced them on the spot no questions asked. There was a guy next to me who was complaining about his iPhone getting warm. The manager apologized and told him it is normal but will exchanged his iPhone for free.

I have never seen this before in my life. Every time I tried to get something repaired I used to spend more than half the time explaining the problem and convince them that it was not my fault and ending up paying for the repairs myself. This never happened to me with Apple and this is why paying extra for Apple products never bothered me.

Yah, like a moron I had bought an airport extreme from CompUSA on close out that was bad. They said "Dude, that wasn't too bright" (in a consoling way) and gave me a new one anyway rather than sending it in for repair which they could have done.
post #238 of 367
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More probably, palm actually dogfoods, so they code apps with Mojo and
Not more than the iPhone hairline crack, or the whitebook hairline & palmrest cracks.

It was a given the Pre's hardware would have issues, your feigning surprise at it is disingenuous, especially on an Apple forum given Apple's track record on 1st-gen hardware casings.

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It is not a given that some one spends a ton of money with a locked 2 yrs contract for the plastic screen to crack and fall away.

Go to pre central and read what pre people are saying, ThEy are fleeing a sinking ship.Also what does apple anything have to do with this. The hair line cracks are a joke no big deal.

THe cube is still sold today . ITS called the mini.

Good luck with your pre.

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post #239 of 367
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Well, its getting scratched. How will the public react to that, long term? They'll need a completely different design for a glass screen, because for one, they'll need to recess it a bit for safety.

Um, the iphone didn't recess it's screen...also Apple comped new phones during launch for pretty much anything if you could get to an Apple store. Folks had dropped and shattered their phones and got new ones.
post #240 of 367
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Not more than the iPhone hairline crack, or the whitebook hairline & palmrest cracks.

It was a given the Pre's hardware would have issues, your feigning surprise at it is disingenuous, especially on an Apple forum given Apple's track record on 1st-gen hardware casings.

While it would be inappropriate to discuss Palm's quality issues in disaparaging terms without including similar issues with Apple products, the real question is to what degree Palm (and Sprint) can a) absorb this problem with respect to costs in the short term, and b) how this issue, coupled with the iPhone 3G S' success will affect Palm's brand image (and consequently Sprint's bottom line) in the long term.

I'm not sure what Sprint's numbers are and how strapped Palm was before the Pre's release, but from what could be gleaned from the news and industry analysts, neither was doing very well. Some have even remarked that the Pre is supposed to "save" Sprint.

The good news is that the Pre, for all its growing pains, is shaping up to be a much better challenger to the iPhone than others, and all it really needs to get meaningful traction in this market is a solid software/hardware upgrade track along with a robust and usable app store. the question here is whether Palm can keep pace with iPhone development. The Pre still doesn't seem to have that "sweet spot" - that perfect balance between hardware and software, that the iPhone seems to have in spades.
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