iPhone 3G S faster than Palm Pre; 500K sales "conservative" - Page 6

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

Well Sprint can't be pleased about this, either.

They're relying on a virtually flawless Pre (it has to be) in order to save them.

Originally Posted by brucep

it was a whole page back >>>> read below my original post to find the link
about 2 inchs down


http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/app...rsonal-3g.html


Good Read . The pre doesn't matter anymore. They can sell a trillion. But the sweet sexy powerful 3gs,is the new standard by which all phones will be measured. Not to better the 3gs . No no that won't happen. We gauge how close any new phone can come to the 3gs.

peace

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Originally Posted by thompr

It seems to me that the focus on games was led by the developers and consumers. This is the free market at work.

Thompson

Originally Posted by brucep

This like the titanic sinking

Over at pre-central the topic's about the crack screens are running over 13 pages long each .

Picture UPS sending 100,000 cracked screen pre's baCk to palm central . Piling up with 8 dollar an hour trained repair people avoiding work by twittering how they are avoiding work. While the broken pre's continue to pile up

And the palm guy on top just sits there with his 3gs mumbling about how the hell does hulu not charge for free movies .

And the band plays on.....

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Originally Posted by BertP

I took a look at that article. Some comments. One, the idea of the iPhone 3G S serving as a control panel for attachments is exciting. Two, iPhone OS 3.0 is more than a "platform". It is an adaptation of Mac OS X, with limitations and enhancements, and the possibilities that adaptation allows. Just two examples: multi-touch gestures leveraged from the iPhone to Mac laptop trackpads, VoiceOver leveraged from Mac OS X to the iPhone 3G S. Fourth, since the iPod Touch also runs on iPhone OS 3.0, it can also can benefit from software leveraging when a hardware refresh occurs in the future. Note: I used the term "leveraging" because I couldn't think of a better term for now.

Originally Posted by brucep

Concerning the cracked plastic PRE phones.
I feel ill. So many people were so upset, and sprint was stonewalling the whole thing.

There is a poll over at precentral <<what a name huh>> that shows 6 out of 28 PRE's had crack screens. So if they sold 280,000. PRE'S < pronounced pray > that means they may have over 60'000 cracked or cracking screens .AND over the next two weeks maybe tens of thousands more.

This is one of the worst consumer nightmares ever. < I am not grinning right now > .

I can just imagine consumer reports rating on this phone > zero

So the sky looks sunny for the 3g -3gs world. AS word gets out about this fiasco sales, for the 3gs should go even higher. and the re-sale for the 3g should also hold its ground.


Ps sprint is not taking back the cracked phones.

Originally Posted by solipsism

I think we all agree, but I think many of us feel that most apps dont need background apps to still be functional, even when offline, and that the way its implemented is very important. I dont think WebOS, Android or WinMo are doing it correctly for end users or developers.


Excellent list!


For that reason I think Apple is working on background apps. I support their decision not to include it with the previous two models as CPU and RAM just arent good enough, but that limitation seems to have vanished as of today.


I dont think its BS, but its certainly not the most prominent issue. I dont think that we should automatically assume the user of a consumer device is tech savvy. With a device like the iPhone I think its important for Apple to work out the logistics of how backgrounds apps run and not jsut let them loose until the RAM is filled.

For example, Apple could allow for 2 apps to run in the background, but only apps that meet RAM, CPU and internet bandwidth guidelines. This would help maintain the usability of your foreground app and help developers since they know the maximum damage the background apps could inflict on the system at large.

This could be turned on via the Settings » Background Apps where apps that have met the requirements by app are listed and where you get to toggle On the apps you wish to allow. This may include the iPod app as it does seem to take a toll on the system, at least with the first two iPhones.

Two know which iPhones are running in the background the Menu Bar could have a small icon to the left of the battery indictor or other icons on that side denoting a [B} for background apps running. Or a small icon of the app that is running in the background, though that may be too small to represent. The icon on the Home Page that is set for background app running could get a special badge or have the icon change slightly but noticeably so its easy to see.

But how would you kill the app if you no longer wanted it to run in the background? Would you have to go into settings to toggle it to Off?

Just some ideas, that was off the top of my head for how Apple could do it safely for their less-than-technical crowd. Id love to hear some better examples.

Originally Posted by joeypk07

Bruce, while I agree this would be a nightmare if true, there is just no way you can extrapolate how many "actual" owners have cracked screens. Online polls like that are selective, if you have a cracked screen maybe you're more likely to respond to the poll, and that doesn't even include the number of people with some sort of malicious intent trying to skew numbers to scare people from purchasing the Pre. Not to mention the size of your "sample" here.

I for one would love to see the Pre continue to innovate and push Apple to do so as well. I love my iPhone, but yes there are things that can always improve. One thing I would love that the Pre has is... (no not multitasking) to be able to select bluetooth, or wifi at the top of the screen and gain access to the controls from a drop down menu or some other type of interface, just like you can in OSX. There's no reason for me to go to settings -- General -- Bluetooth -- and then toggle the switch to turn it on and off when there's a visual indicator right on the homescreen that can be utilized for that purpose. All in all the changes Apple has made are great, but they can always improve the product. 3.0 was a much larger update than most people realize. Sure they had to throw some features in there to get people excited like copy&paste and typing in landscape mode, but where we will really benefit is from the stuff that developers come up... and I'm not just talking about apps, but also the integration of hardware (look up AirStrip http://www.airstriptech.com/)

And now for a little Apple plug... the 3GS SOOOO much faster, definitely worth the upgrade.

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

And somewhere . . . Steve Jobs is smilng slyly.

We have yet to see the full fallout from this, plus Palms numbers, but somehow I think that the "iPod Killer" curse applies to phones as well.

Originally Posted by melgross

It's not satirical. Those comments are real.

Here's one thread about the cracks:

http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/me...age.uid=207668

What's interesting, is that while articles I've read in the media say that Palm and Sprint are handling this well, the customers here are mostly saying otherwise, requiring the insurance with a $100 upfront cost.

Here's from pre/central.net, where those comments have been coming from.

They would be incredibly funny, if they weren't so sadly real:

http://www.precentral.net/psb-pre-screen-cracks-emerge

Read this stuff, and come back and comment on it.

Originally Posted by joeypk07

Bruce I hear ya... still a concern either way... and no way to tell if it's something that will crop up in other Pre's down the line. Always hard to tell the long-term durability of a new product.

Originally Posted by joeypk07

Bruce I hear ya... still a concern either way... and no way to tell if it's something that will crop up in other Pre's down the line. Always hard to tell the long-term durability of a new product.

Originally Posted by brucep

I am a gem stone dealer. And i have an idea that either the plastic was not allowed to set right, Or the pressure from around the screen < like a car windshield > is making it crack .

What is about to happen is a feeding frenzy with the pre customers swamping sprint stores with every little complaint. Right or wrong or true or false complaints. They have a short window to return their phone .30 day ? This is a very exspensive phone, Right now there asking a $100 dollar insurance fee or if i am wrong // only the people who paid a $100 dollar insurance fee gets a new phone

Who will pay for all these bad phones , And many people who have already replaced their cracked phone's have had it crack again. Go to palm central and read up dude before you hope for a better pre product. It may be over already .

Look joey the promise of what pre would be, will happen with another phone, Palm wiil learn and grow. At least its name will. Tech squads will step in and fix it and sell it next time in a more subdued manner.

Enjoy the weekend dude

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Originally Posted by melgross

I strongly suspect that the glass LCD screen behind the plastic outside, is likely bonded to it. But it seems to me that the expansion rates from the two materials, together with the design, are incompatible. The heat from the charging seems to be blamed for at least part of this, as the temperature around the button, where most of the cracks start, becomes very high. The Touchstone charger is even worse in this regard, apparently.

If this is the problem, they are in for a new design.

Gemstone dealer hmm. What types of stones do you work with. I'm very interested in gemstones and minerals.

Originally Posted by brucep

So is this a limited run problem or a system wide problem. Imay be talking in a funny manner but this is a disaster for palm. They should have quietly, with no itunes talk at all , quietly intrduced the pre. and let it evolve into its niche, ODDLY the zune has a 2 or 3 million person following . They love the zune to death. Why not. and that is still alot of people . Palm should have shot for asmaller market and grew out fromthere.

Gem stones . all shades of tourmaline red rubelite pink. green .blue green.coco brown yellow .
oh boy its a long lomg list , i do cabs and faceted i do briolettes i do fine melee sapphires in gem ceylon blue, yellow and pink i do rubies also in mellee's .
citrine
amethsyt
rhodolite
tsavorite
and i have a new garnet !!! chrome garnet !! very cool ..Aquamarine emerald green berly yellow berly
spessarite garnet
sorry i have a list somewhere i will send you . i have a booth on 47th st nyc i carry really cool odd stuff besides the regular stuff. Like quartz with sleeping tourmaline needles inside . or rare but cheap cat eyes in petrolite . as you see how i am with apple stuff i am a fanatic with gem stones .
I will pm you more stuff
oh also do you like pink floyd ?

peace dude
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Originally Posted by Abster2core

Just spoke to Rogers.

Anybody that has had their iPhone 3G for at least 6 months can trade it in for a new 3GS for $250 CDN.

Tomorrow's Father's Day. Right?

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

I thought it was $199.

I'll have had mine for a full year come Aug 1.

Originally Posted by brucep

So is this a limited run problem or a system wide problem. Imay be talking in a funny manner but this is a disaster for palm. They should have quietly, with no itunes talk at all , quietly introduced the pre. and let it evolve into its niche, ODDLY the zune has a 2 or 3 million person following . They love the zune to death. Why not. and that is still alot of people . Palm should have shot for asmaller market and grew out from there.

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beryls; fine aquamarine, yellow beryl & green beryl
garnets ; tsavorite, mali, mandarin, spessarite, rhodolite, malaya,
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the queen swiftly rode on.
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yes, i remember she whispered ....
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i have some cool minerals too some for sale
some i would give you free
some i can show you only

i have some sleeping tourmalines needle crystals in quartz matrix that is the cats meow .


peace


happy fathers day all



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Originally Posted by melgross

The relative value of the currencies.

Originally Posted by vinea

Ouch...and they are making some folks pony up $100.

Originally Posted by cameronj

44 people reading this thread right now, only 11 of you have the time to say if your phone got faster or slower after OS 3.0? Cmon

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=99533

Originally Posted by NasserAE

I have never seen this before in my life. Every time I tried to get something repaired I used to spend more than half the time explaining the problem and convince them the it was not my fault and ends up paying for the repairs. This never happened to me with Apple.

Originally Posted by dualie

Either that or it means Pre-eminent.

Originally Posted by melgross

Was that sales figure just for phone sales? I don't think so. They charge for their servers as well as for other support services. That's a large part of their sales.

Originally Posted by teckstud

Well I guess the real question is what are the percentage of games and junk App vs real utility /productivity Apps. Has a pie chart ever ben shown? The perception is more of the former rather than the latter.

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

Amazing! This is some very interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.

Originally Posted by solipsism

I would have expected the nature of WebOS to offer a faster system but it seems that they haven't optimized well for the HW.

Originally Posted by brucep

Good Read . The pre doesn't matter anymore. They can sell a trillion. But the sweet sexy powerful 3gs,is the new standard by which all phones will be measured. Not to better the 3gs . No no that won't happen. We gauge how close any new phone can come to the 3gs.

Originally Posted by brucep

This like the titanic sinking

Originally Posted by teckstud

Well I guess the real question is what are the percentage of games and junk App vs real utility /productivity Apps. Has a pie chart ever ben shown? The perception is more of the former rather than the latter.

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

I thought it was $199.

I'll have had mine for a full year come Aug 1.

Originally Posted by cameronj

44 people reading this thread right now, only 11 of you have the time to say if your phone got faster or slower after OS 3.0? Cmon

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=99533

Originally Posted by masklinn

More probably, palm actually dogfoods, so they code apps with Mojo and the launch time we can see is the difference between launching native apps and launching an interpreter to run the apps.

Of course, one has to remember that once an application is launched on the Pre, barring memory constraints it can stay open. On the iPhone, not so much.

That article reads like an ad, for what it's worth. It's disgusting.

Not more than the iPhone hairline crack, or the whitebook hairline & palmrest cracks.

It was a given the Pre's hardware would have issues, your feigning surprise at it is disingenuous, especially on an Apple forum given Apple's track record on 1st-gen hardware casings.

Originally Posted by NasserAE

Few months ago my iPhone 3G headphone button was acting up (I admit abusing them). One weekend I was at the mall and decided to go to the Apple store and see what they can do, no appointment. They replaced them on the spot no questions asked. There was a guy next to me who was complaining about his iPhone getting warm. The manager apologized and told him it is normal but will exchanged his iPhone for free.

I have never seen this before in my life. Every time I tried to get something repaired I used to spend more than half the time explaining the problem and convince them that it was not my fault and ending up paying for the repairs myself. This never happened to me with Apple and this is why paying extra for Apple products never bothered me.

Originally Posted by masklinn

More probably, palm actually dogfoods, so they code apps with Mojo and
Not more than the iPhone hairline crack, or the whitebook hairline & palmrest cracks.

It was a given the Pre's hardware would have issues, your feigning surprise at it is disingenuous, especially on an Apple forum given Apple's track record on 1st-gen hardware casings.

Originally Posted by melgross

Well, its getting scratched. How will the public react to that, long term? They'll need a completely different design for a glass screen, because for one, they'll need to recess it a bit for safety.

Originally Posted by masklinn


Not more than the iPhone hairline crack, or the whitebook hairline & palmrest cracks.

It was a given the Pre's hardware would have issues, your feigning surprise at it is disingenuous, especially on an Apple forum given Apple's track record on 1st-gen hardware casings.