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update on the Cracked screen disaster. and some comments from palm pre central
and one free link to travel over there all by your self .
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Cracked Screen - Carrying Pre front pant pocket
Be careful, don't let this happen to your Pre.

I really have no idea how it happened, possibly while I was sitting in a chair that had plastic arms - and my leg pressed against it.

Looks like a soft case is needed - or maybe make certain the screen side is against your leg and not facing out.

I guess I'll find out tomorrow if TEP was worth my investment or not....
The cracks start at the button and go all the way up the screen. There are twice as many cracks as you can see in the pictures.

Display still works fine, however touch is all messed up. Bottom third of the screen doesn't touch, and a spot on the middle of the screen keeps "touching" automatically every couple of seconds. Can't even answer the phone because I can't slide the green dot up.
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Damn, that sucks. Is the Pre really that fragile? Someone in another thread mention that his wife cracked her screen already.
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Glass is no better, my son cracked his head the first day he got it. Unfortunately no insurance, so he is living with a crack across the top of his screen
Well, I'd live with it probably, as you can only see the cracks if you look from the side. The problem is the touch is messed up, I assume as a result of the cracks - so the device is impossible to operate properly.

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Originally Posted by teckstud
wow same thing happen to my two wife's!!

Her pre work for couple hours until the cracks got longer then she starting crying lol
Did your wife know what caused the damage? Or was she suprised (like I was) that anything had even happened?
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Front pocket tighness cracked screens.
POLL BELOW

" No - still in good condition\t\t71.....\t 79.78%

Yes - but I dropped or bumped it\t\t2........\t2.25%

Yes - but I was careful with it\t\t16......\t17.98%[/SIZE]

so almost 20 percent cracked un usable pre phones


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Look i am sorry for two long post s but anyone coming here defending the pre can refute the proof first .
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Bruce,

Please post a link to the comments. No need to copy/paste entire threads into this thread. It’s poor forum etiquette (if there is such a thing).
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update on the Cracked screen disaster. and some comments from palm pre central
and one free link to travel over there all by your self .
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Be careful, don't let this happen to your Pre.

Nah . . . it can't be..

He seriously got himself a Pre? Well, considering how unimpressed he is with the iPhone and all . . .
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Nah . . . it can't be..

He seriously got himself a Pre? Well, considering how unimpressed he is with the iPhone and all . . .

The Top Ten Reason Why that is not our Teckstud…

10) The Pre is on Sprint, not Verizon
09) The comments did not use hyperbolic jargon
08) He didn’t state opinions as absolute, unwavering facts
07) The comments were informative
06) The comments were not overly emotional or negative
05) He did not state that his friends all have the same issue as he does
04) There is no comment about drinking Kool-Aid or being a fanboy if you Pre was not cracked
03) The writing was logical and thought out
02) He kindly told people to be careful with their Pre instead of stating they were doomed

And the number one reason that is can’t be our Teckstud….

01) He was thanked 22x in 9 posts

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The Top Ten Reason Why that is not our Teckstud...

10) The Pre is on Sprint, not Verizon
09) The comments did not use hyperbolic jargon
08) He didn’t state opinions as absolute, unwavering facts
07) The comments were informative
06) The comments were not overly emotional or negative
05) He did not state that his friends all have the same issue as he does
04) There is no comment about drinking Kool-Aid or being a fanboy if you Pre was not cracked
03) The writing was logical and thought out
02) He kindly told people to be careful with their Pre instead of stating they were doomed

And the number one reason that is can’t be our Teckstud….
01) He was thanked 22x in 9 posts

aww, Sol, that was priceless! Well put!

LOL, I miss him already.
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More probably, optimization is usually the last thing you do unless performance is really hideous.

Yeah but in this case if the startup issues stem -- as I think they do -- from starting a new instance of webkit (or at least squirrelfish/nitro) there's a limit to what Palm'll be able to do short of recoding the apps using a native SDK.

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Palm does not. This is Palm's last shot and cracks appearing this early, and that major isn't a good thing. And no, it wasn't a given that the Pre would have hardware issues. I have a Tungsten that I finally broke that was rock solid.

The Tungsten line was an evolution of the previous generation PDA (the Tungsten T started development as the m550 and the Tungsten W was the i710), it was not a first generation product.
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Go to pre central and read what pre people are saying, ThEy are fleeing a sinking ship.Also what does apple anything have to do with this. The hair line cracks are a joke no big deal.

Well with that I know you belong to the bin of "fanboys not to take seriously".
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the real question is to what degree Palm (and Sprint) can a) absorb this problem with respect to costs in the short term, and b) how this issue, coupled with the iPhone 3G S' success will affect Palm's brand image (and consequently Sprint's bottom line) in the long term.

Definitely
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I'm not sure what Sprint's numbers are and how strapped Palm was before the Pre's release, but from what could be gleaned from the news and industry analysts, neither was doing very well. Some have even remarked that the Pre is supposed to "save" Sprint.

While I was aware of the Pre making or breaking Palm, I didn't know Sprint had issues to (not american). That's bad. I really think we need another game in town besides the iPhone in order to keep Apple moving (and straighten up their blasted AppStore approval process) and the Pre is pretty much the only one that could be it right now (the BBs still play to a different category, and Android isn't there yet esp. hardware-wise)
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and all it really needs to get meaningful traction in this market is a solid software/hardware upgrade track along with a robust and usable app store.

Yep, though those will be pretty big hurdles to pass (I didn't read good things on the PalmStore during pre-release previews/reviews, but I don't know how much that changed. The dearth of applications probably hasn't given Mojo is still private/invites only)
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Bruce,

Please post a link to the comments. No need to copy/paste entire threads into this thread. Its poor forum etiquette (if there is such a thing).



I felt we needed ammo when the pre fan bos get drunk and invade us again .

You guys found teckstud over there ??
wow small world lolololo

so should i shorten them ??? YAY or nay
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I felt we needed ammo when the pre fan bos get drunk and invade us again .

You guys found teckstud over there ??
wow small world lolololo

so should i shorten them ??? YAY or nay

The consensus seems to be that it isn't him, anyway.

We really only have one or maybe two Pre "fanboys" around here. Now I'm as militant as the next loyal Apple user, but the ones that do happen get lost on their way to Winsupersite aren't really much of a reason to get excited over.

Well . . . I think.
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so should i shorten them ??? YAY or nay

The general rule, which makes for easier reading, is to post the link after a short synopsis of why you are posting the link and/or quoted text from the thread that embodies what you found interesting about the thread. It makes for easier reading all around and you're more likely to get more responses. Case in point, I didn't even read your two long posts until Quadra posted a short snippet about it. Then I saw what you were getting at.



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I found this on a Palm website. It appears that our beloved Teckstud may have purchased a Pre just to have it break almost immediately. Too funny if it is him.
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Cracked Screen - Carrying Pre front pant pocket
Be careful, don't let this happen to your Pre.

I really have no idea how it happened, possibly while I was sitting in a chair that had plastic arms - and my leg pressed against it.

Looks like a soft case is needed - or maybe make certain the screen side is against your leg and not facing out.

http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/me...cending&page=3
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aww, Sol, that was priceless! Well put!

LOL, I miss him already.

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.
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Not more than the iPhone hairline crack, or the whitebook hairline & palmrest cracks.

It was a given the Pre's hardware would have issues, your feigning surprise at it is disingenuous, especially on an Apple forum given Apple's track record on 1st-gen hardware casings.

Actually, when you consider all the models Apple has come out with over the years, including iPods and phones, they've got a pretty good record on casings. The hairline cracking on the phones never came to anything. I know a lot of people with iPhones, and none of us have had this problem. I'm talking about dozens of people. After a short while, all talk of it died out.

We have to see what happens here. but the difference between Apple and Palm is that Apple is a large company with a lot of money, while Palm is now a very small one with almost none.

If this product gets a bad rep early on from cracks and scratches, that, along with the purported way they and Sprint have been handling it, will hurt sales, and Palm can't afford that.

This is the product Palm needs to continue its existence. I hope for their sake this proves to be a limited, contained problem, but if it isn't...
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Um, the iphone didn't recess it's screen...also Apple comped new phones during launch for pretty much anything if you could get to an Apple store. Folks had dropped and shattered their phones and got new ones.

That's true, but I'm seeing reports that say that using the Pre with the skin cases is a hassle because of the slide out keyboard. The iPhone doesn't have that problem, so the cases, such as the Incase models we got, provide that handily.

Apple is pretty good about these things, and it's one reason why they have a good rep.

Right now, it seems as though many Pre owners are being forced to pay that $100 deductible even if their screen cracked five minutes after they left the store and came right back with it. I'm sure that isn't true everywhere, but the fact that the majority of people who are writing in on the forums about their broken phones are having that happen to them is bad.
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Bruce,

Please post a link to the comments. No need to copy/paste entire threads into this thread. Its poor forum etiquette (if there is such a thing).

I posted links to this stuff earlier. It's easy to find by Googling Palm Pre cracks, or screen cracks.
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The Tungsten line was an evolution of the previous generation PDA (the Tungsten T started development as the m550 and the Tungsten W was the i710), it was not a first generation product.

Yes, it's been a long time since I've had a real 1st gen Palm product but I don't recall ever thinking they were a bad company from that standpoint. It's not like they don't have any experience in building phones.

So I personally expected the Pre to be a fairly solid device from that standpoint. It still may be and the cracked screens just a bad run. An unfortunate bad run given it would likely be a large part of the current base...the 50K launch number was tiny.
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Premature!

Precarious

Predoom!!!
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I posted links to this stuff earlier. It's easy to find by Googling Palm Pre cracks, or screen cracks.

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Bruce,

Please post a link to the comments. No need to copy/paste entire threads into this thread. Its poor forum etiquette (if there is such a thing).

\\i made them much shorter thank you friend for your guidance
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So just something I've been thinking about... will we be able to get an accurate gauge on how many Pre's are really being used based on shipping numbers? It appears that there are many people returning/exchanging the devices, and sometimes are just being sent second units and told to keep the first. I'm sure this is true of any device; however, in this case there seems to be an inordinate number of screens with dead pixels, light leakage, cracks, loose sliders, poorly seated batteries etc.
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I have no way of knowing just how prevalent the Pre screen cracking issue is, but I can't help but notice that Google searches all lead back to the same stuff on PreCentral. There doesn't seem to be any wider reporting, and the sense of a "growing problem" just seems to be more sites linking back to the same thing.

Now, if this is because there aren't that many Pre sites yet, so people reporting problems are more or less obliged to do it at PreCentral, I have no idea.

But I do know that if a bunch of people came here and talked about, say, how their iPhone volume button had broken, it would strike me as stupid if the wider tech press took that as evidence that there was a big problem with the iPhone.

And, typically, if it were an actual endemic problem with an Apple product there would be first hand reporting across multiple sites. To the extent I can even find additional Pre centric message boards, this doesn't seem to be a topic of discussion.

Like I say, have no way of knowing. But it does seem at least plausible that a handful of posters at a single pre site could undergo the magic internet magnification effect and suggest a big problem where none exists.
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I have no way of knowing just how prevalent the Pre screen cracking issue is, but I can't help but notice that Google searches all lead back to the same stuff on PreCentral. There doesn't seem to be any wider reporting, and the sense of a "growing problem" just seems to be more sites linking back to the same thing.

Now, if this is because there aren't that many Pre sites yet, so people reporting problems are more or less obliged to do it at PreCentral, I have no idea.

But I do know that if a bunch of people came here and talked about, say, how their iPhone volume button had broken, it would strike me as stupid if the wider tech press took that as evidence that there was a big problem with the iPhone.

And, typically, if it were an actual endemic problem with an Apple product there would be first hand reporting across multiple sites. To the extent I can even find additional Pre centric message boards, this doesn't seem to be a topic of discussion.

Like I say, have no way of knowing. But it does seem at least plausible that a handful of posters at a single pre site could undergo the magic internet magnification effect and suggest a big problem where none exists.

That's all very true. but considering the number of Pre's shipped, small numbers expand in significance.

Also, most people don't report to web sites when they have problems.

With the iPhone, if a hundred people reported here within a few days of the new phones shipping that they all had broken buttons, then that would mean something.

If Apple and AT&T charged most of the people $100 to get their phones fixed, not even replaced, then there would be outrage.

Do you doubt it?
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If Apple and AT&T charged most of the people $100 to get their phones fixed, not even replaced, then there would be outrage.

Do you doubt it?

There is outrage that AT&T isn't allowing subsidized customers to duck out of their contracts. "But I'm a loyal customer" argument is the best!

I certainly don't doubt it.
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There is outrage that AT&T isn't allowing subsidized customers to duck out of their contracts. "But I'm a loyal customer" argument is the best!

I certainly don't doubt it.

That would be the standard response, unfortunately.
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Front pocket tighness cracked screens.
POLL BELOW SUNDAY MORN

" No - still in good condition\t\t71.....\t 79.78%

Yes - but I dropped or bumped it\t\t2........\t2.25%

Yes - but I was careful with it\t\t16......\t17.98%[/SIZE]

so almost 20 percent cracked un usable pre phones


http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pr...ed-screen.html

SUNDAY NIGHT

View Poll Results: Did your PRE screen crack.
No - still in good condition\t\t87\t80.56%
Yes - but I dropped or bumped it\t\t2\t1.85%
Yes - but I was careful with it\t\t19\t17.59%
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SUNDAY NIGHT

View Poll Results: Did your PRE screen crack.
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That poll still may not be indicative of the Pre market as a whole.
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There are almost 200 more posts about PALM PRE than there are about Steve Jobs having a liver transplant.

I can see all of you spent your Father's Day in a good way and tried to Bash the competition with a Poll from 1 site.

Pretty pathetic when you look at it from the outside.

I really hope this gets on my Google Page in the morning. It will show what narrow minded sheep you really are.


Current Count

Palm Pre Bashing: 268

Steve Jobs Liver Transplant: 98

PATHETIC DOESN'T EVEN BEGING TO DESCRIBE MY FEELINGS.
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Well, let's see what comes of this:-

http://www.avforums.com/forums/iphon...ation-3gs.html

No doubt this small number of issues will probably spread like wildfire.

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I have no way of knowing just how prevalent the Pre screen cracking issue is, but I can't help but notice that Google searches all lead back to the same stuff on PreCentral. There doesn't seem to be any wider reporting, and the sense of a "growing problem" just seems to be more sites linking back to the same thing.

Now, if this is because there aren't that many Pre sites yet, so people reporting problems are more or less obliged to do it at PreCentral, I have no idea.

But I do know that if a bunch of people came here and talked about, say, how their iPhone volume button had broken, it would strike me as stupid if the wider tech press took that as evidence that there was a big problem with the iPhone.

And, typically, if it were an actual endemic problem with an Apple product there would be first hand reporting across multiple sites. To the extent I can even find additional Pre centric message boards, this doesn't seem to be a topic of discussion.

Like I say, have no way of knowing. But it does seem at least plausible that a handful of posters at a single pre site could undergo the magic internet magnification effect and suggest a big problem where none exists.
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There are almost 200 more posts about PALM PRE than there are about Steve Jobs having a liver transplant.

I can see all of you spent your Father's Day in a good way and tried to Bash the competition with a Poll from 1 site.

Pretty pathetic when you look at it from the outside.

I really hope this get’s on my Google Page in the morning. It will show what narrow minded sheep you really are.


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Palm Pre Bashing: 268

Steve Jobs Liver Transplant: 98

PATHETIC DOESN'T EVEN BEGING TO DESCRIBE MY FEELINGS.

That is utter nonsense. Hundreds and hundreds of past comments have addressed Steve Jobs' health issues in AI, and most have expressed concern, sympathy, respect for privacy and so forth.

On the WSJ story re. the liver transplant, other than posting one's concern, sympathy, respect for privacy and so forth, anyone other than an oncologist stating (and even in that case, at best, speculative) views is being a complete moron. (And, there have been a couple of those).
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That is utter nonsense. Hundreds and hundreds of past comments have addressed Steve Jobs' health issues in AI, and most have expressed concern, sympathy, respect for privacy and so forth.

On the WSJ story re. the liver transplant, other than posting one's concern, sympathy, respect for privacy and so forth, anyone other than an oncologist stating (and even in that case, at best, speculative) views is being a complete moron. (And, there have been a couple of those).

For the intersted Pre Bashers.

GOOGLE.

iPhone cracked screen.

There are only 831,000 hits dating back to 2007. A tad bit more than 1 Poll.

Utter Nonsense... I think not. Petty Bitching is more like it.
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There are almost 200 more posts about PALM PRE than there are about Steve Jobs having a liver transplant.

I can see all of you spent your Father's Day in a good way and tried to Bash the competition with a Poll from 1 site.

Pretty pathetic when you look at it from the outside.

I really hope this gets on my Google Page in the morning. It will show what narrow minded sheep you really are.


Current Count

Palm Pre Bashing: 268

Steve Jobs Liver Transplant: 98

PATHETIC DOESN'T EVEN BEGING TO DESCRIBE MY FEELINGS.

It does describe most of your posts though.
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There are almost 200 more posts about PALM PRE than there are about Steve Jobs having a liver transplant.

I can see all of you spent your Father's Day in a good way and tried to Bash the competition with a Poll from 1 site.

Pretty pathetic when you look at it from the outside.

I really hope this gets on my Google Page in the morning. It will show what narrow minded sheep you really are.


Current Count

Palm Pre Bashing: 268

Steve Jobs Liver Transplant: 98

PATHETIC DOESN'T EVEN BEGING TO DESCRIBE MY FEELINGS.

So it's pathetic that we choose to talk about the market rather than gossip about someone's personal health?

Nothing more needs to be said than I wish Steve good health. Which I doubt he follows the site.
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For the intersted Pre Bashers.

GOOGLE.

iPhone cracked screen.

There are only 831,000 hits dating back to 2007. A tad bit more than 1 Poll.

Utter Nonsense... I think not. Petty Bitching is more like it.

I'm not sure what the point of this is...clarify?
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It does describe most of your posts though.

As well as you putting in your bashes and contrasts now and then to get the HIT COUNT up.

Way to stir the pot up for the extra advertising.

It's Palm Pre, BlackBerry, Steve Jobs PJ's Flash ads (way to advertise Flash & Adoble). Kind of Funny when you thing about it.

It's the same way on CNet minus the Stevie PJ's

So if you're a moderator can you BE A TROLL IN YOUR OWN SITE?
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As well as you putting in your bashes and contrasts now and then to get the HIT COUNT up.

Way to stir the pot up for the extra advertising.

It's Palm Pre, BlackBerry, Steve Jobs PJ's Flash ads (way to advertise Flash & Adoble). Kind of Funny when you thing about it.

It's the same way on CNet minus the Stevie PJ's

So if you're a moderator can you BE A TROLL IN YOUR OWN SITE?

You don't know what troll means.

A troll is someone who in most of his (her) posts contributes nothing, but instead intends to get people's ire up. something which makes him feel good about himself.

That mostly fits your posting. The rest of us are allowed the occasional pleasure of bashing the troll.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

The rest of us are allowed the occasional pleasure of bashing the troll.

And the moderators are allowed the occasional pleasure of banishing the troll. Hint! Hint!
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You don't know what troll means.

A troll is someone who in most of his (her) posts contributes nothing, but instead intends to get people's ire up. something which makes him feel good about himself.

That mostly fits your posting. The rest of us are allowed the occasional pleasure of bashing the troll.

And I'm allowed to Bash a Moderator for an insulting comment when I get one.

That's pretty pathetic (word of the evening) that you would do it on your own site.

Get those ratings and stir up the sheep, that's what it's all about anyway.

I did notice one thing on this site as opposed to MacRumors. If you insult someone and follow it up with a SMILEY FACE, it makes everything all better.

And I don't need Sloppyism to tell me anything.

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