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I like this site:

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I like this site:

http://www.freesmileys.org/

Ive seen you post from there before. I like the smiley face puking the smiley faces, but I felt the Snoopy dance was in highly in order this time.
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I like this site:

http://www.freesmileys.org/


As I posted to a private reply to GLOBERATOR.

Snoopy is copyrighted by the Charles Schultz Family. I've reported this site and Sloppyism to their website.

Here's hoping Sloppyism and AI are slammed with the same 2M that the music industry doled out this week to 1 person for sharing 20 songs.

Edit. With a link to this Forum and a screen shot of both Globerator and Sloppyism's original post.
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Ive seen you post from there before. I like the smiley face puking the smiley faces, but I felt the Snoopy dance was in highly in order this time.

So many smileys, so little time to link to them.
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You forgot to add the hash glyph between the ampersand and eight.

iPhone 3G S⃣

I deleted that post pretty fast, but you caught it!

Is there any way to control the spacing better? Numerals come out nicely, but letters are bulged.

3⃣ G⃣ S⃣

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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I deleted that post pretty fast, but you caught it!

Is there any way to control the spacing better? Numerals come out nicely, but letters are bulged.

3⃣ G⃣ S⃣

I dont think so. I had to play around with sizing and spacing to get the results I got. Even the Preview feature in forum doesnt address it every I test it so Im wondering if its still a very new unicode feature that browsers, even WebKit, arent fully supporting.. It certainly is unusual. Was there even a particular reason for this character setup?
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I like this site:

http://www.freesmileys.org/


"Last edited by JeffDM; Today at 10:56 PM.. Reason: Took out trademarked image."

A tad late to change the forum posting. I already sent the screen shot to 6 sites all dealing with the Charles Schutz copyright laws and their foundation.

And I have the screen shot saved to my computer. You've already broken the law for downloading it and a second time by posting it.

Edit...

So many smileys, so little time to link to them.
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Sloppyism and AI are going down for their postings of Snoopy dancing.

I've had 3 auto responses back from the 6 I posted and I am not going to stop with the 6.

I'll hit CNN, Cnet, CNBC in the morning. Getting a little tired tonight. Long day with the family.

It was Fathers Day and all.

So many Smiley Faces and So Little Time to Post them.
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3⃣ G⃣ S⃣

Note that mobile Safari doesn't have the capability to display that level of Unicode. Is this an OS-level feature? I know nothing of fonts though I'm sure we have some experts here if memory serves... Which apparently it hasn't recently.

PS: Anyone from the UK ever been to Coventry? I here it's good place to get away from it all.
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That poll still may not be indicative of the Pre market as a whole.

Really ?


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Well, let's see what comes of this:-

http://www.avforums.com/forums/iphon...ation-3gs.html

No doubt this small number of issues will probably spread like wildfire.

Wow this is serious !

The cracked pre screen topic is over 30 pages long and there are many topics to boot about cracked pre screens . Your example ran 4 quotes by 2 ppi .

Yes .
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Really ?

I can never tell if you are serious.

Okay, Top Gear premier is on. Have fun without me.
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I can never tell if you are serious.

Okay, Top Gear premier is on. Have fun without me.

Really ?

lol
Sorry couldn't help myself
The poll is as bad as you can get anywhere and is in-accurate as you can get.
Yet if it hold's to this avg iI would start to sell my palm stock .
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POLL BELOW SUNDAY MORN

" No - still in good condition\t 71.....\t 79.78%

Yes - but I dropped or bumped it\t 2........\t2.25%

Yes - but I was careful with it\t 16......\t17.98%[/SIZE]

so almost 20 percent cracked un usable pre phones


http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pr...ed-screen.html
SUNDAY NIGHT

View Poll Results: Did your PRE screen crack.
No - still in good condition\t 87\t80.56%
Yes - but I dropped or bumped it\t 2\t1.85%
Yes - but I was careful with it\t 19\t17.59%


2 am MONDAY MORN 2AM more votes
View Poll Results: Did your PRE screen crack.
No - still in good condition\t\t110\t83.33%
Yes - but I dropped or bumped it\t\t2\t1.52%
Yes - but I was careful with it\t\t20\t15.15%
Voters: 132. You may not vote on this poll

http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pr...screen-26.html
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According to my timeline the Newton (1993) predated the Pilot (1996) by 3 years. The term PDA is also reportedly coined by then-Apple CEO John Sculley before his sex change and joining of the FBIs X-Files division. My memory is infallible.

DAMN; You're right o_O. I'm the one who should check my sources. I did after you told me. Turn out that neither company invented the touch screens; it was here since '74. Wild. Though it's no big surprise to me that most inventions were done out of research labs or by small companies founded on the idea :/. Most big companies these days mainly assemble products more so than they actually create new stuff. Just aren't any research groups anymore.
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I don't want to take away from your comment, as I think it's a true statement, but I am really curious about what everybody wants to multitask.

I can only think of a couple but I don't see a "super necessity" for it:

Listen to Pandora (some other radio app) while doing something else (checking e-mail, browsing the web, etc.).

How many other things can you do at the same time on a phone?


I agree. To some extent; it's rather over-rated. Just like when Apple claims to have 50'000 apps; It's all true; but at the end of the day; I may download a few apps; sure; but I only really end up using 2-3 of them. So if an app store had the mere 5-10 apps I like to use (which are pretty common apps; stocks; calendar; etc), then I really wouldn't care about additional apps. The same could be said for Palm. Multitasking has a few use-cases like fetching a phone number while someone is calling you; or playing music while you check out some other thing.

I agree that Push is a power-efficient way to work with the radio; but at the same time multitasking doesn't slow you down; so in a way; Apple's claim is more of a technical mistake in the design than it is a real issue. Phones have been multitasking for ages already. Fact is; I wouldn't be surprised if they did add it at some point ; why not?
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Well seeing as many people aren't willing to switch to Sprint for this so called 3rd part multitasking on a small screen, I say most people don't really give a damn. Apple has sold 40 million plus devices without 3rd party multitasking so it's not as big a deal as most of you want us to believe.

Yah; at the end of the day; buying a phone is like buying a car. Everyone will like a certain brand and ultimately they're really all the same because they all get what you want done; it's really a mater of choice in style
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In loading a series of complex websites over Wi-Fi, AnandTech has found that the 3G S is about 54 percent faster on average than the 3G and, in a few cases, is about three times faster. But it's also about 11 percent faster than the Palm Pre, which shares WebKit as a rendering engine, and is only slower in two out of nine tests. That lead only grows wider with the T-Mobile G1: as it's slower than the iPhone 3G, it's often twice as fast or more.

Maybe they should try some websites that don't have lower bandwidth versions when the browser's user agent string is "mobile safari"? Slashdot & facebook can generate different pages depending on the agent string. Doesn't the W3C have a set of benchmark/test pages or something? True, this test gauges what a user would see if they only used those pages, but there's got to be a better way to really benchmark these machines. It's also too bad that the tester didn't wait a couple days to try out v1.0.3 of the Pre's OS which apparently has some speed & battery improvements.

IMHO, some of the people on PreCentral need to HTFU. That 'lcd light leakage' photo was pathetic. I guess their parents' basement was really dark for them to see that little speck. Seriously though, I hope Palm can resolve whatever issues they are having, get the SDK released soon, and provide Apple some real competition. All people in the market for a smartphone will 'win' if there is healthy competition. The "there can only be one" mindset ends up leading to stagnation and customers' wallets getting raped.
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I agree with your on lame video cards, but that is also due to Mac's requiring larger ROM's on their cards. Looks like Nvidia and ATI weren't willing to spend another 50 cents to make all their cards potentially Mac/PC compatible.

That said, Apple had never pursued the gaming market until very recently. It was simply never core to their business model.


Very true; Steve didn't care for games until it raked enough cash on the iPhones. Even back in the iPod days; he used to have the whole idea and had to be convinced of it. Let's face it; he gets *A LOT* of things right; more so than any other CEO; but gaming and IM really isn't his turf. It's the teenage hip crow he doesn't understand. Where the hell are my smileys?! If he only took a second to talk to his teens; he's realize how HUGE things like these are!
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I agree. To some extent; it's rather over-rated. Just like when Apple claims to have 50'000 apps; It's all true; but at the end of the day; I may download a few apps; sure; but I only really end up using 2-3 of them. So if an app store had the mere 5-10 apps I like to use (which are pretty common apps; stocks; calendar; etc), then I really wouldn't care about additional apps. The same could be said for Palm. Multitasking has a few use-cases like fetching a phone number while someone is calling you; or playing music while you check out some other thing.

You might only want one app from any one mobile App Store, but the point of stating how many apps are there does help to signify which store has the greatest likelihood of having your app. The point is simply selection options, not an expectation to download them all.

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I agree that Push is a power-efficient way to work with the radio; but at the same time multitasking doesn't slow you down; so in a way; Apple's claim is more of a technical mistake in the design than it is a real issue. Phones have been multitasking for ages already. Fact is; I wouldn't be surprised if they did add it at some point ; why not?

Multi-tasking certainly can slow you down and whether you notice it or not each new task takes RAM and CPU cycles away from the pool that the foreground could potentially use. This can be an issue and if you have an original or 3G iPhone you know this is an issue with just having the iPod running and trying to do other tasks. EVen Palm sees the long term benefits of have push notifications as they are developing their own system, despite having background apps.

We need to keep to mind that what other phones can do is not what the iPhone can do. It might be powerful HW compared to other phones but its also a very resource unfriendly OS. Its a desktop OS made to run on mobile HW while maintaining complex and robust frameworks. The new device s really the first iPhone that actually runs smoothly though all operations. No more lagging, even when running the iPod app and multitasking.

As for future multitasking, Im sure they will, but it wont be available to the older iPhones. They simply dont have the resources for it. The new one seems to have plenty of RAM for a couple background apps, though for that to work correctly that will have to be governed as to not affect the foreground apps ability to run within normal parameters.
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I think we'll even see more improvement is speed when the 3.0 Bugs update comes out. I'm not saying 3.0 is bad in anyway, it's quite polished. I just notice a few minor quirks that needs to be addressed. Overall even on a 3G the OS runs smoothly and very stable compared to last years 2.1 or was it 2.2 fiasco. I remember Safari crashing several times a day with that release.

I'm also curious on what the total sales number for the iPhone this weekend. US sales numbers and overall numbers will be exciting to see.
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I think we'll even see more improvement is speed when the 3.0 Bugs update comes out. I'm not saying 3.0 is bad in anyway, it's quite polished. I just notice a few minor quirks that needs to be addressed. Overall even on a 3G the OS runs smoothly and very stable compared to last years 2.1 or was it 2.2 fiasco. I remember Safari crashing several times a day with that release.

I'm also curious on what the total sales number for the iPhone this weekend. US sales numbers and overall numbers will be exciting to see.

v2.0 to about 2.1(?) were just a mess for me. Odd momentary freezes with various windows half-way in view, the iPod app in a short loop (I often have this app on when doing other tasks) and the rampant Safari crashes. Trying to reply to AI required you to be quick, but you couldn’t make a mistake because hitting the back space could muck it up.

I found v3.0 right from the first Beta to be very good. Except for some odd behaviours with copy/paste and Maps I don’t recall having any issues with the Betas, and those were gone by the 2nd or 3rd Betas.

I guess third time is the charm.
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The gravest Palm's error is they're trying to copy iPhone and to simulate iPod. OK, they had no real choice of the moment of Pre launch. But nobody needs iPhone-like gadget since genuine iPhone is here. RiM's determination to keep doing it their own way promises much more.

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People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

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The point is the iphone has brought focus onto apps. Many people now want applications on their phones, it may seem unimportant to you but to all those people downloading apps, it benefits them. I was recently in the Apple store and an an old lady came in there about help downloading apps onto her iphone. It put a smile on my face.

I hardly agree. While Apple modernized distribution of applications, they were widely available for Palm Treos and Win phones time before iPhone was released.

Applications are additional bonus, but iPhone is selling itself. I personally know number of people who want (and some of them already got) iPhone because it is a great product, and - to some extend - because it is Apple. I don't know anyone who selected iPhone because they did huge research on available apps before purchase and decided they want some of them so much it justifies purchasing that specific phone.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10...orsPicksArea.0

30 bucks from apple !!!

Apple's $30 apology for iPhone activation delays?

So don't click the link . Check your email first. you may be rich !!


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Mifi and your iphone
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10...orsPicksArea.0


Verizon MiFi lets iPhone download big files on the go !!.......
The fateful headline read. But can the Mifi stream Hulu?? . The Mifi is a personal Wifi spot you carry around in your pockets . Its a slim card.

Somehow and i don't know why but is this a major plus for the porno industry?
or is my paranoia bubbling over.



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Very true; Steve didn't care for games until it raked enough cash on the iPhones. Even back in the iPod days; he used to have the whole idea and had to be convinced of it. Let's face it; he gets *A LOT* of things right; more so than any other CEO; but gaming and IM really isn't his turf. It's the teenage hip crow he doesn't understand. Where the hell are my smileys?! If he only took a second to talk to his teens; he's realize how HUGE things like these are!

Choosing not to focus on gaming and not underestanding gaming are two completely different things. He may not understand gaming, but nobody here has any clue if he does or not. All we can see is if apple is devoting time to gaming.
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Yet another reason why the iphone will sell a ton of phones very very soon. This article also states that the new software speeds up and adds new dimentions the old 3g phones too.

<<<<< Now add the ability to turn the iPhone into a kind of skeleton key for all kinds of other devices. Apple will now let developers turn the iPhone into a control panel for practically any piece of electronics you can plug it into. Another radical feature: the ability to automatically find and sync up wirelessly with software running on another iPhone or iPod touch.

For example, SGN's jet fighter game, "F.A.S.T.," allows players to dogfight with nearby iPhone users over a Bluetooth connection thanks to this week's iPhone software update, whether or not you're buying the new iPhone. "When you have openness, you have the catalyst for expedited innovation from tens of thousands of developers," Pishevar says .>>>>


WOW I am saving up to buy the MBP 15 2 chip. But its getting hard to ignore the 3gs.

>>>>>>>>the full article below >>>>>>>>>

http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/app...rsonal-3g.html


Good Read . The pre doesn't matter anymore. They can sell a trillion. But the sweet sexy powerful 3gs,is the new standard by which all phones will be measured. Not to better the 3gs . No no that won't happen. We gauge how close any new phone can come to the 3gs.

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And you came to that conclusion after the article talking about few iPhone games..? Um... Okay...
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Who care about the Palm Peee now? Apple just announced their weekend sales. Yeah there were predictions of not doing well or being a mediocre number. They were WRONG!!
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Choosing not to focus on gaming and not underestanding gaming are two completely different things. He may not understand gaming, but nobody here has any clue if he does or not. All we can see is if apple is devoting time to gaming.


Steve has already admitted missing the boat on gaming. And now you see a 360 degree turn with 2 chip MPB's. With the coming 4 core and 8 core chip tech,. GCS ALSO will power up the 3d graphic's for gaming and other uses. I am not a geek so excuse my poor wording. I will say that having a MBP with snow and 2 chips that work together in the GCS frame work looks good for most high end 3d games.

Newly filed patents portend a wi like iphone/touch capabilities, And PA semi will also help with the gaming .

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I predict that iphone will top i mill in sales .

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And you came to that conclusion after the article talking about few iPhone games..? Um... Okay...

NO after reading many articles.This one put it in a clear order. Anyway some one said that if i give a link i have to talk about that link .

I would rather give the link. And go to sleep . Anyway in the articles everything he said is already being done . NO PIE IN THE SKY.

Did i mis speak nikon ?
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Steve has already admitted missing the boat on gaming. And now you see a 360 degree turn with 2 chip MPB's. With the coming 4 core and 8 core chip tech,. GCS ALSO will power up the 3d graphic's for gaming and other uses. I am not a geek so excuse my poor wording. I will say that having a MBP with snow and 2 chips that work together in the GCS frame work looks good for most high end 3d games.

Newly filed patents portend a wi like iphone/touch capabilities, And PA semi will also help with the gaming .

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I predict that iphone will top i mill in sales .

just saying

More like: Apple has always given minimal to gaming. Every year or two Apple comes out and says something along the lines of "hey, we're finally focusing on gaming". To make this seem more credible, they admit to not being a gaming platform in the past. This is the way the PR game works.

It doesn't indicate that Steve is clueless about gaming. He might be but we have no evidence one way or the other.

I wouldn't get my hopes up for Mac gaming though. Remember a few years ago when Macs had the performance advantage and ID demo'd unreleased games during keynotes? There isn't anything new or unprecedented in apple hardware, OS, or corporate strategy that indicates gaming has become a focus.
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Who care about the Palm Peee now? Apple just announced their weekend sales. Yeah there were predictions of not doing well or being a mediocre number. They were WRONG!!

You're doing wonders for the level of discourse on this forum.
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From Davewrite on MDN:

After the good reviews and the raves from iPhone 3Gs customers the Palm Pre apologists were all over the forums and blogs.

Their comments are way too funny.

They're saying (I paraphrase)

-- 50,000 apps? Who cares? I don't NEED apps!
-- video? I carry around my video camera so I don't need video. Easy editing and uploading to internet? like who cares.
-- Pre fragile. Use a HIP HOLSTER (true comment).
"I wrap mine when I go out in bubble warp" (another actual comment I swear!)
-- Pre battery life? Easy, don't use it too often, switch everything like Wifi off!
-- My second one died in less than a week, but that's ok! I got the insurance. (another actual comment)
-- I DON'T play games on the phone so who cares about all those iPhone games.
-- I know about those cracked screens but EVERY iPhone user has a cracked screen before (another actual statement).
-- who cares about tap on focus on the iPhone. My $$$$ Nikon takes better pictures.
-- google maps with magnetometer? Useless! I don't get lost on city streets.
-- Voice control is just a gimmick. Don't need it, what are fingers for?
-- Plastic screens are as durable as glass.
-- I can MULTITASK unlike the iPhone, and I got like 30 apps to choose from! I haven't bought any yet because they're not very interesting but I'm sure in time they will be lots more! of course they have to release the SDK first....
-- I carry my Flip to take video, my Canon SLR for pictures, my PSP for games and my Pre for phone calls. Why the heck do I need an iPhone? All I need is big enough gadget bag and make sure my Pre is wrapped in bubble wrap....


lol!

Well... Apple fans will find everything anti-Apple funny, but there are a few good points there.
- I don't game on phone. As I am already gaming on PC, PS2 and PSP, another gaming platform would really be overkill. I could replace PSP with iPhone/iPod for portable gaming... if they ever come out with games like God of War. Which I don't think you can make without dedicated controls. Additionally, I know number of people that don't game at all, and people that will play games only in home environment and are not interested in mobile gaming. Poor souls, but that is the way things are.

- Hip holster? I don't like keeping phone in the pocket as I do carry a lot of keys (kar keys, office keys, home keys). Even glass can be scratched with good ole keys. Anandtech claims Pre is not built like iPhone, but compared to other phones it is OK. It is not like every phone with inferior built to iPhone will break the next day.

- Phone cameras... I made, all together, 14 photos with phone camera (most with BB, a few with wife's Treo). Photography is my hobby and I always have at least compact with me, or DSLR if I'm really going for a kill. Even compact with 8MP, stabilized lens etc. etc. is not something iPhone, Pre can even dream to compare to.

- Plastic can be made very durable. I never ever had a problem with scratching screens of my BB, Nokias and everything else I was using since '90. I like idea of even more durable screens, but it is not a deal breaker. Choosing between glass screen and - for me - more confortable phone to hold in hand, I'd go for second (if functionality is comparable).

Now... I might end up eating some of my words in next few months. My wife is looking at Pre as long-time Treo user, while I'm at present more interested in iPhone. I'm modest phone user and already have to carry BB during the work hours, so I'm sure both Pre and iPhone would suit my needs perfectly; but since we'll have one Pre in the house, it'll be interesting to try something else as well.

At the end, price and available plans in NZ will decide, but it everything works as I am planning, as I said - I might take some of my comments back. Or not.
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Well... Apple fans will find everything anti-Apple funny, but there are a few good points there.
- I don't game on phone. As I am already gaming on PC, PS2 and PSP, another gaming platform would really be overkill.

You should take a look at sales of games on the iPhone. Gaming on the iPhone has quickly grown into a multimillion dollar business. Its more like the DS or PSP than most other phone platforms.

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- Even glass can be scratched with good ole keys.

Nope, the iPhone screen does not scratch.

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- Plastic can be made very durable.

What really separates the iPhone from the others is the fact that it has a solid plastic body with no latches, doors, or moving parts. That makes it feel more solid and durable.
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Nope, the iPhone screen does not scratch.

Want to trade your iPhone for mine then? Mine couldn't possibly be scratched.
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Originally Posted by dfiler View Post

More like: Apple has always given minimal to gaming. Every year or two Apple comes out and says something along the lines of "hey, we're finally focusing on gaming". To make this seem more credible, they admit to not being a gaming platform in the past. This is the way the PR game works.

It doesn't indicate that Steve is clueless about gaming. He might be but we have no evidence one way or the other.

I wouldn't get my hopes up for Mac gaming though. Remember a few years ago when Macs had the performance advantage and ID demo'd unreleased games during keynotes? There isn't anything new or unprecedented in apple hardware, OS, or corporate strategy that indicates gaming has become a focus.

I beg to differ . Once apple can get a mass produced hard core gaming/3d graphic machine ready .They will leap frog all the rest,

They already have 4 or 5 things in the burner that no one else is doing. Of course a limited production machine like allen ware may be hard to beat. I have waited for more than a decade for a mac that can do some gaming . the 15 in MBP /W2CHIPS looks pretty good . I wll still wait a bit longer.
But some incredible things will be coming to the apple world very soon.

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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post

Well... Apple fans will find everything anti-Apple funny, but there are a few good points there.
- I don't game on phone. As I am already gaming on PC, PS2 and PSP, another gaming platform would really be overkill. I could replace PSP with iPhone/iPod for portable gaming... if they ever come out with games like God of War. Which I don't think you can make without dedicated controls. Additionally, I know number of people that don't game at all, and people that will play games only in home environment and are not interested in mobile gaming. Poor souls, but that is the way things are.

http://www.icontrolpad.com/

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- Hip holster? I don't like keeping phone in the pocket as I do carry a lot of keys (kar keys, office keys, home keys). Even glass can be scratched with good ole keys. Anandtech claims Pre is not built like iPhone, but compared to other phones it is OK. It is not like every phone with inferior built to iPhone will break the next day.

I've worn all of my phones my belt with a holster. It's just easier. In fact, when I got my 3G, I ended up using my old holster from my Treo 700p, because I bought an incase skin, and even though I was assured that it would fit into the Incase leather holster (which is very nice) with the skin, it's way too tight. The Treo holster is just perfect. Strange, but true!

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- Phone cameras... I made, all together, 14 photos with phone camera (most with BB, a few with wife's Treo). Photography is my hobby and I always have at least compact with me, or DSLR if I'm really going for a kill. Even compact with 8MP, stabilized lens etc. etc. is not something iPhone, Pre can even dream to compare to.

The only phone camera that made decent pictures was a Samsung from a couple of years ago. The front was a phone, and the rear a camera with a big lens. but it's far too clumsy either as a phone OR a camera. They still make updated models, but they don't sell too well. The 5 MP camera on the N97, for example, is said, in reviews, to take nice pictures outside, in strong light, but very noisy and low rez (from the ineffective noise reduction) indoors. The LED flashes on phone cameras are almost useless. Less than $100 these days gets a far superior compact camera.

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- Plastic can be made very durable. I never ever had a problem with scratching screens of my BB, Nokias and everything else I was using since '90. I like idea of even more durable screens, but it is not a deal breaker. Choosing between glass screen and - for me - more confortable phone to hold in hand, I'd go for second (if functionality is comparable).

All of my Palmphones, from the Samsung i300 to the Treo 700p scratched badly from the stylus. Very badly. Everyone I know had the same problem if they used the phone screen a lot. That's why screen protectors were invented. There is a real need with plastic screens.

Fortunately, the iPhone works so much better that you get the best of both.

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Now... I might end up eating some of my words in next few months. My wife is looking at Pre as long-time Treo user, while I'm at present more interested in iPhone. I'm modest phone user and already have to carry BB during the work hours, so I'm sure both Pre and iPhone would suit my needs perfectly; but since we'll have one Pre in the house, it'll be interesting to try something else as well.

If the Pre were available before the iPhone came out, I would have been delighted, esp because you can use the old programs in some form or another until they get more "real" Pre programs out there, and I really did like those palmphones. But I'm happy the iPhone came out first, because it's simply a much better proposition overall.

The physical design of the Pre is disturbing. It's everywhere described as flimsy, cheaply made and scratches too easily. With the possibility that the screen cracking is endemic, and the mostly poor response from Palm and Sprint, I'd wait at least a month before buying one.

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At the end, price and available plans in NZ will decide, but it everything works as I am planning, as I said - I might take some of my comments back. Or not.

Good luck!
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Originally Posted by dfiler View Post

Want to trade your iPhone for mine then? Mine couldn't possibly be scratched.

It isn't that it cant be scratched, but that it's pretty hard to scratch. Some people can scratch diamonds.
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What he didn't think of with the "forced" updates Palm is requiring is that if Apple did that, they would be excoriated for it. More control from BIG BROTHER!

At least, we have the choice to refuse an update. Pre owners don't.

The hacking community (not that I approve of it) won't like this at all. Palm can force an end to their activities at a moments notice, and they won't have a choice in the matter, unlike with the iPhone, where you don't need to download a new update until YOU want to.

2 questions:

You sure you can't disable automatic updates on Pre?

Why would you want to skip on updates..?
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