Steve Jobs' return to Apple linked to liver transplant - Page 2

Originally Posted by aueua

Totally agree!
A liver transplant to fight against pancreatic cancer's metastasis is pretty an oncologic nonsense and I guess almost any expert would discourage it.
I urge The Wall Street Journal to find a more reliable medical consultant and/or better review its sources...

All the best Steve!
Aueua!

Originally Posted by brucep

Thank you for your post . Could you tell us more ??
and i guess steve's cancer has come back .

SANIBEL ISLAND, FL -- A Florida retiree battling cancer himself has discovered a possible method of killing cancerous cells with radio waves.

If it works, it could be the "Holy Grail" of cancer treatments.

His is the great American story. A broadcast engineer, who shrewdly evolves into the owner of several TV and radio stations, sells them for a bundle and retires early to picturesque Sanibel Island.

But Easter 2002, began an unexpected chapter in the story of John Kanzius, a year and-a-half after he retired. He was diagnosed with a severe form of leukemia.

Soon after receiving this news, Kanzius began his punishing chemotherapy and was heartbroken at its effects on fellow patients, especially children.

"There was one scene I could not forget and that was the young children came in with smiles and a week later see those smiles disappear and so forth and literally would watch them waste away," recalls Kanzius.

Necessity is the mother of invention and the need for a gentler treatment for those sick children proved a powerful motivator for Kanzius, a tinkerer, inventor and grandfather.

"We really haven't developed a better way other than going into people's veins and putting systemic drugs into them and hoping we kill the cancer before we kill the person," Kanzius says.

Kanzius wrestled with the idea of a better way and in the middle of the night in October 2003 inspiration struck: kill cancerous cells with radio waves.

"I had all the equipment that one could use for sending and picking up radio signals."

He was a ham radio operator.

Kanzius continues, "And all I needed in my house was antennas. And the best thing that worked as antennas at 3 o'clock in the morning was my wife's pie pans."

Startled out of bed by clattering in the kitchen, wife Marianne found her husband cutting up her pie pans.

"I got up and immediately thought he'd lost it," says Marianne Kanzius.

His idea might have sounded crazy but he wasn't. Here are the basics of his idea.

Radio waves for the most part are harmless but they will heat certain metals. Gold is one of those metals and was also previously FDA-approved for use in humans.

A lab provided Kanzius with what is essentially gold, broken down into the tiniest possible size. They're called nanoparticles.

These nanoparticles are injected into a cancer patient and are attracted to the abnormalities of the cancerous cells, attaching themselves to those bad cells. What's more, the nanoparticles ignore healthy cells.

The patient is then exposed to radio waves and only the bad cells heat up and die. The healthy cells, which have no metal on them, are not warmed up at all and are unaffected.

Early, crude experiments done on hot dogs in his garage seemed to work. In 2004, Kanzius showed the results to a prominent cancer researcher.

"He said, 'You know this is the most amazing thing I've ever read in my life,'" proudly recalls Kanzius.

Today Kanzius has several universities working on his research and a manufacturer now builds clinical-sized versions of the machine he first built with radio parts and his wife's pie pans.

This 62-year-old Florida retiree with no medical background whatsoever has grabbed the attention of the medical community.

"We could be getting close to grabbing the Holy Grail," says physician Dr. Dan Pulsipher.

Kanzius spends 70 hours of his retirement every week working on a cure, still motivated by those children he saw in chemotherapy.

"My best term scenario would be to watch a patient get treated and have a doctor tell them they're cured. To me, that would be all the thanks I would need."

Human trials are expected to begin in a couple of years.

Originally Posted by macnyc

Were you a smoker?

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

brucep, I hope you get over this man. I wish you good health and happiness.
Live long & prosper \\V/

Originally Posted by macnyc

were you a smoker?

Originally Posted by macnyc

LOL! I love how so many people on this site are know-it-alls. Not only do they know everything about electronics but now they know everything about cancer and a patient that they have never even met much less diagnosed!

Can you also see into the future?

Originally Posted by agrothey

OK - here is more. I want to caution everyone, though, that I have at no time been involved in SJ's care and that I only gather information from what everyone else is reading - with my background as a medical oncologist who is actually treating patients with islet cell cancers like SJ.

Apple routinely mentioned an "hormonal imbalance" as reason for SJ's weight loss. Now, islet cell cancers can produce certain hormones (such as glucagon, somatostatin, vasoactive-intestinal peptide (VIP) etc) which can interfere with a normal gastrointestinal function and the way a body utilizes nutrients (carbohydrates, protein, fat). When an islet cell cancer recurs and produces liver metastases, these hormonal effects can lead to significant and rapid weight loss. Thus, it could well be that Apple's statements were somewhat true. Right now it does appear that SJ's tumor had spread to his liver, which is commonly the ONLY site of spread within a body. That's why it can makes sense to replace the liver in certain cases - and I am sure he will have been carefully evaluated for this.

For now we should wish him well and hope that he will be recovering fast. Again, the liver transplantation can offer a chance of cure in this situation - and that's I guess most important.

Originally Posted by agrothey

OK - here is more. I want to caution everyone, though, that I have at no time been involved in SJ's care and that I only gather information from what everyone else is reading - with my background as a medical oncologist who is actually treating patients with islet cell cancers like SJ.

Apple routinely mentioned an "hormonal imbalance" as reason for SJ's weight loss. Now, islet cell cancers can produce certain hormones (such as glucagon, somatostatin, vasoactive-intestinal peptide (VIP) etc) which can interfere with a normal gastrointestinal function and the way a body utilizes nutrients (carbohydrates, protein, fat). When an islet cell cancer recurs and produces liver metastases, these hormonal effects can lead to significant and rapid weight loss. Thus, it could well be that Apple's statements were somewhat true. Right now it does appear that SJ's tumor had spread to his liver, which is commonly the ONLY site of spread within a body. That's why it can makes sense to replace the liver in certain cases - and I am sure he will have been carefully evaluated for this.

For now we should wish him well and hope that he will be recovering fast. Again, the liver transplantation can offer a chance of cure in this situation - and that's I guess most important.

Originally Posted by MacTripper

Early, crude experiments done on hot dogs in his garage seemed to work.

Originally Posted by solipsism

He was a long time Windows user constantly yelling at his PC. Doctor told him had to get a Mac if expects to ever recover.

Originally Posted by brucep

Thank you. < \\V/ >


I was immersed in the world of cancer. I was at the sloan Kettering in NYC . ALL they do is cancer.

They did a triple chemo regimen that forced me in the hospital for weeks at a time, with arm infections and blood clots. The chemo side effects were real bad. But the docs were aggressive, they were in the hunt for my cancer cells, so they brought to the brink a few times.
Since it was in my neck throat area I still can't swallow so good. I am one of the lucky one's many can never ever swallow again, the radition blasts the whole area. For the moment the docs say I am cancer free, They will retest every 3 months. After 5 years I can say the word remission. Until then I hold my 2 kids very near me. 8 and 6 yrs old and they love anything apple. My son tommy whines about the dells in school being so slow. He is playing halo right now. We watch the APPLE TV ads all the time . All 3 yrs worth.


I am very lucky so many kind souls at that hospital were so much worse off than me. And the children never ever cried. Never ever! When I was getting 6 weeks of daily radition we had 3 kids coming in at the same time. The children were like bald rag dolls. So weak. SO fragile. Yet I could always engage them, NO THATS NOT TRUE I WAS at the end of my radition chemo treatment's and very near insane, It was the children who engaged me. They remembered my name when I was dribbling from the mouth. They laughed and joked with me and my sons . They were 100x more brave than me and 2 of the 3 sadly passed.

I never wanted to recount this here. But if ONE person quits smoking from this story then fine . I smoked for 35 yrs pot and ciggie;s. I was the cool Marlboro man. In truth smoking is more addictive than heroin. If you smoke please stop. I beg you. Please quit.

You are welcome to pm me or consult a doctor about quitting.


Now I will turn my prays to Steve Jobs and his extended family .
Get well soon dude .


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Originally Posted by bonklers

i'm sure they'll clone an organ for him, keep details secret, and he'll be around for a long long time.

Originally Posted by brucep

Is this a true story ? How could something like this remain hidden ?

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Originally Posted by mdcat

While I wish Jobs a complete and speedy recovery my first thought, which I have not seen anyone else mention here, is: how did he get to the head of the line so quickly? Many people die waiting for transplants or at least have to wait years

Originally Posted by teckstud

Bruce- My best to you. You're one of the few unbiased, funny guys around here.
Peace.

Originally Posted by MacTripper

It might be too late now

I read somewhere else that rabbits treated with this method had 100% cure of cancer.

Somebody tell Steve.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_articl...?storyid=67742

Originally Posted by macnyc

Steve Jobs is one of the "lucky" ones. My father wasn't so lucky, he had the "typical" pancreatic cancer. He went from a tall, built, ex high school football player, purple heart ex marine to nothing. He would like me to rub his neck and back and I couldn't understand how he enjoyed it as i was rubbing his paper-like skin against his bones. He no longer had any fat or muscle.

I wish Steve all the best.

Originally Posted by imGayForSteveJobs

Despite all the bickering about what is really happening, I think we can all agree that Steve Jobs needs to get his sickly ass back in the workshop and pump us out a few new gadgets before he eats it.

Not surprisingly, confirming any of these assertions proves difficult through Apple's tendency towards secrecy, and especially that of Steve Jobs, who has long expressed frustration with journalists and investors intruding into what he sees as a private matter.

Originally Posted by kiseki

I'm skeptical about this "news". If he really did suffer a relapse of his cancer, the last thing he'd want to do would be to get any kind of transplant. Cancer cells are formed in our bodies all the time but fortunately we have immune systems which destroy most of them and protect us.
If you get a transplant and take the required immunosuppressants, that's probably the worst thing for your cancer since you're removing your only innate protection against cancer cells.

Another thing about the liver is that it is one of the few regenerative organs in the body. You can actually remove most of a person's liver and it will grow back. Which means Jobs had such invasive cancer that he needed a liver transplant (instead of just cutting out the diseased parts), and there's no way his doctors would have let cancer progress to that stage without taking action long before.
It makes much more sense to believe his story that it was a metabolic problem and his liver had stopped functioning. In that case, it would make sense to get a transplant and his prognosis, barring side effects from the immunosuppressants should be pretty good.

Originally Posted by kiseki

I'm skeptical about this "news". If he really did suffer a relapse of his cancer, the last thing he'd want to do would be to get any kind of transplant. Cancer cells are formed in our bodies all the time but fortunately we have immune systems which destroy most of them and protect us. If you get a transplant and take the required immunosuppressants, that's probably the worst thing for your cancer since you're removing your only innate protection against cancer cells.

Another thing about the liver is that it is one of the few regenerative organs in the body. You can actually remove most of a person's liver and it will grow back. Which means Jobs had such invasive cancer that he needed a liver transplant (instead of just cutting out the diseased parts), and there's no way his doctors would have let cancer progress to that stage without taking action long before.

Originally Posted by brucep

Is this a true story ? How could something like this remain hidden ?

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Originally Posted by ouragan

The only way for the CEO of a large multinational company to escape public scrutiny is to resign or retire, after which he should enjoy a semi-private life. Otherwise, a CEO, especially "the highest paid CEO in America", must account for his whereabouts.

You can't have the billions in stock options and live in obscurity. Make a choice and come forward to explain it.


P.S.: Steve Jobs should probably retire "for medical reasons". Everyone would understand. Just like Craig Barrett at Intel, Steve Jobs could be named "Honorary Chairman" of Apple, a title which comes with no real obligations, and a position that he could use to show up at Apple "from time to time", using his prestige to inspire the young and eager.

I wish Steve Jobs the wisdom to know when to quit.

Originally Posted by TBell

The company is being run well, Jobs gets a dollar a year, and he has already earned the shares he received [Jobs owns shares outright, not options].

Originally Posted by ouragan


I wish Steve Jobs the wisdom to know when to quit.

Originally Posted by ouragan

I agree. The function of the immune system is to identify and destroy malfunctionning or foreign cells. The last thing a cancer patient needs is to turn off his immune system.

It would have made much more sense to remove a malfunctioning part of the liver and let the liver grow back on its own (or in a lab to be reimplanted later). But, Steve Jobs had a surgery 2 years ago, possibly to remove a cancerous growth. If true, Steve Jobs waited too long before his first, second and third surgeries. And the secrecy around everything never served Steve Jobs, because it is only another way to deny reality.

Originally Posted by anantksundaram

"I am a moron. But I play doctor on anonymous forums."

Originally Posted by JeffDM

Aren't there other significant perks too? I know he owns shares, but he doesn't also have options?