The Biggest Threat to Obama's Health Care "Reform" - Reality - Page 32

Actually since the replies contain nothing but snide asides, what should be addressed?


Well clearly they have fun with their strawmen. The Constitution sets up what the role of the federal government happens to be and if you don't desire to extend it past that role then anarchy for all is the only other possible choice or at least that is what is being portrayed. The whole actually follow the Constitution but, well that is just so passé.

As you note, this is about wealth transfer mostly from the abled bodies and especially the young.


Get used to the accusations. It's what people toss out when they don't have any persuasive reasoning. It goes a bit like this. Post sarcastic or derisive comment. Watch it fail to persuade and then call you a piece of shit because you didn't laugh thus showing you were in with the cool kids. Most of us got over that in middle/high school.


It would be really amazing if this was so effective that it changed minds in the fall considering most of the benefits don't kick in for four years.


Well we can perhaps hope then that when the election comes if this is overturned that it will provide the political will to overturn and remove other actions the federal government ought not be involved in.


Did you "hear(d)" that from someone?

You could be right but this Congress is borrowing at record levels and something tells me that they have been emboldened by this and will become even more reckless with their spending. The reality is their spending has gotten so large that even the taxes collected on this are but a drop in the bucket. The amount this could collect in taxes for the remainder of the year is huge, $100 billion or so, but the amount being spent is so massive, the debt generated this year is $1.7 TRILLION, not the total spending just deficit spending that this thing becomes a drop in the bucket comparatively.

They've run out of other people's money to spend or even to print and while this does grab more, their spending rate is so high, nothing can match it. This is supposed to raise a trillion dollar in taxes over a decade but that is in a decade of trillion dollar a year deficits and that is before this was passed and before Dems said I'll risk not being elected to spend even more.

Just to relate it to our favorite topic, just the deficit spending this year will be Apple the company over eight times over. Also there are also external factors that could finally crack. It is getting harder and harder to get the government bonds sold and the rating is very close to changing. These are from agencies that didn't rate the risk right in terms of the housing bubble and people on financial boards have been banging on sovereign debt crisis for years with it really coming to a head for the last few months. Often these things are psychological as well and when certain barriers are breached it goes badly very quickly. There are some older posts on here where I talk about the U.S. acting like Argentina or the Philippines and how certain places can get away with it, but we cannot. If you are going to be the standard bearer for the world, then you cannot engage in certain acts and when the standard bearer goes away from triple AAA, it makes you reevaluate every other rating for appropriateness as well.

That is one of the items that the lefties fail to grasp is that people don't just bet on something, they bet against it as well. Handson talked about all this wealth supposedly going moldy in walls and it is a profound misunderstanding. When people stop betting on the dollar they don't just stop. They start betting against it. That money doesn't go into a wall or mattress. It goes into Yuan, Euros, or other something else. Much like how when people stopped investing in tech stocks, they started investing in housing, etc. When someone's not rooting for your team, they've picked a new team and that means they are now rooting against your team.

It is why things trip or tip and why we seldom see nice linear outcomes.

When Jimmie the druggie cheats on his wife and shows up high, you might not invite him to the next BBQ. When it is Pastor Paul head of the megachurch, you don't just reevaluate Sunday BBQ, you reevaluate the church, the church leaders, your own faith, and much more. The U.S. is the standard bearer who is fiscally going to be caught with text messages on his cell phone and just like with Tiger Woods, it isn't going to be pretty.

Got that feeling to have you? Try the ignore function. It works wonders.

Lots of people have plenty to say about moral hazard and adverse selection. They aren't concepts associated exclusively with Ayn Rand. They are economic terms. Ranting that anyone who uses it is Randian is like complaining that people who speak in English are Randian because dammit, that is the language in which she wrote her books as well!

The terms you are speaking about are Economics 101.



Speaking to yourself now? Isn't that a sign of dementia?


He is dead on about the caricaturing. If that qualifies as serious debate then the only that you can debate are caricatures.


Why state it? You'll only caricature, strawman it and then rant and accuse based off the caricature and strawman. It's what you are doing and will do. There's need to give more fuel to the fire. It is the pure definition of trolling which is why after multiple times being banned, you're back here pouring the old wine into a new bottle.


You think in Iran and Afghanistan they have MRI machines in every mid sized city or toss stents at whoever is having heart issues? Same term, different care by far. How many hip and knee replacements do you think they are doing for quality of life issues over there?