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The IRS says any money removed from HSA accounts to pay for medical expenses bought without a prescription will be included as taxable income and subject to an additional tax of 20 percent.

Yet another IRS fine for having the audacity to spend your own damn money. Unbelievable.

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Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans, the industry lobby that voiced support for the overhaul but has been accused by some of the law's proponents of trying to undermine it, said the law creates "unintended consequences."

You think???

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"It creates unnecessary hassles for consumers and provides the wrong kind of incentives," Zirkelbach said, adding that the changes could make it more difficult for consumers to get medicines they need at costs they can afford.

"This change could have the unintended consequence of increasing health care costs," he said. It might provide an incentive for consumers to go back on more expensive medications when over-the-counter medicine works just fine."

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So you thought you could keep your existing coverage, huh?





The cost of Obamacare keeps growing and growing.

Obamacare Sticker Shock: Taxing Over 15,000 Medicines



Any "progressives" want to explain away this one? Hmmmmm?

This is only the beginning.

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Like your Medicare Advantage Plan? You can forget about that too:

Medicare Actuary Says Changes In Advantage Plans Will Mean Higher Cost For Some Seniors

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...the health law will mean increased costs for seniors in Medicare Advantage plans. He also tells Senate Republicans that the overhaul will result in "less generous benefit packages" for Medicare Advantage plans next year. Foster is independent from the administration and non-partisan.

Humana tried to warn its members of the oncoming assault, but was quickly told to STFU by your lovely and gracious HHS Secretary. Even the Government Accounting Office thought this was - to put it mildly - a bit weird: GAO calls HHS's restrictions of MA plan communications "unusual".

The administration knows how awful this law is. The last thing they want is for you to know as well.

Compliance with the new law will affect earnings of nearly every company doing business in the U.S. Its overall effect isn't calculable but is expected to be in the many, many billions of dollars. As required by law, Verizon, John Deere, Catepillar, AT&T and many other companies responded to Obamacare by warning investors of its detrimental effect on future earnings, which earned them a spot on the White House enemies list.

Chastened for obeying the law? Welcome to the bizarre world of Obamacare.

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It's only a small measure of the destruction that will be churned out by the rewrite of health, tax, labor and welfare laws that is ObamaCare, and only the vanguard of much worse to come.

Like your insurance plan? Too bad. None other than the IRS estimates 117 million people will have to change their insurance plans by 2013: Interim Final Rules for Group Health Plans and Health Insurance Coverage Relating to Status as a Grandfathered Health Plan under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Naturally, the IRS is just the agency you want involved in your health care.

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Citing health care law, Boeing pares employee plan

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WASHINGTON Aerospace giant Boeing is joining the list of companies that say the new health care law could have a potential downside for their workers.

In a letter mailed to employees late last week, the company cited the overhaul as part of the reason it is asking some 90,000 nonunion workers to pay significantly more for their health plan next year. A copy of the letter was obtained Monday by The Associated Press.

"The newly enacted health care reform legislation, while intended to expand access to care for millions of uninsured Americans, is also adding cost pressure as requirements of the new law are phased in over the next several years," wrote Rick Stephens, Boeing's senior vice president for human resources.

Boeing is the latest major employer to signal a shift for its workers as a result of the legislation, which expands coverage to more than 30 million uninsured people and ranks as President Barack Obama's top domestic achievement. Earlier, McDonald's had raised questions about whether a limited benefit plan that serves some 30,000 of its employees would remain viable under the law. That prompted the administration to issue McDonald's a waiver from certain requirements under the law.

Spokeswoman Karen Forte said the Boeing plan is more generous than what its closest competitors offer, and the company was concerned it would get hit with a new tax under the law.

The tax on so-called "Cadillac" health plans doesn't take effect until 2018, but employers are already beginning to assess their exposure because it is hefty: at 40 percent of the value above $10,200 for individual coverage and $27,500 for a family plan.

"We want to manage our costs so this tax doesn't apply to our plan, but that's down the road," said Forte. "If this health care law hadn't passed, would we be making changes to the health care benefit? Absolutely. For competitive reasons."

In the letter to Boeing employees, Stephens said out-of-control health care inflation is hampering Boeing's ability to compete with other manufacturers. Its major civilian aviation competitor, Airbus, is based in Europe, where governments shoulder the burden of health care costs.

Stephens also cited lifestyle issues, such as people who are overweight and do not adequately exercise, as the third major reason for the cost shift. The health care law ranked second among the three, ahead of lifestyle factors.

Boeing said annual deductibles and copayments will increase for all its plans next year.

Deductibles, the share of medical costs that employees pay annually before their plan kicks in, will go up to $300 for individuals, an increase of $100. For families, the new deductible will be $900, an increase of $300.

In addition, Boeing is instituting a copayment of 10 percent after the deductible has been met. The copayment will rise to 20 percent in 2012.

Those changes will reduce the value of the Boeing plan, but it's unclear whether that will allow the company to escape the tax looming in 2018.

"It's certainly going to help," said Forte. But "we are still slightly above market in what we offer to our employees."



"You can keep your existing coverage if you want. That is, if your existing coverage still exists by 2014."

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Jazz - you didn't read the quote before you posted it, did you?

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"We want to manage our costs so this tax doesn't apply to our plan, but that's down the road," said Forte. "If this health care law hadn't passed, would we be making changes to the health care benefit? Absolutely. For competitive reasons."

In the letter to Boeing employees, Stephens said out-of-control health care inflation is hampering Boeing's ability to compete with other manufacturers. Its major civilian aviation competitor, Airbus, is based in Europe, where governments shoulder the burden of health care costs.

It needed to cut its medical plan because otherwise it could not compete against companies that were in countries with socialized medicine....
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Jazz - you didn't read the quote before you posted it, did you?



It needed to cut its medical plan because otherwise it could not compete against companies that were in countries with socialized medicine....

No, I never read anything I post. It's better that way.

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I hear North Korea offers government-run healthcare.

Show me some pictures of NK obese people......
Since people have to exercise and only get rationed food their healthcare cost nothing. You should like this guru boy. They have successfully eliminated medicare, medicaid and a lot of other gov expenses you hate.
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Citing health care law, Boeing pares employee plan





"You can keep your existing coverage if you want. That is, if your existing coverage still exists by 2014."

Why do so many companies move overseas to socialist countries...?
PUBLIC HEALTHCARE allows for cheaper production costs.
For profit healthcare has destroyed the US and allowed socialist countries to become owners of the US economy, our media and our wars.
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Show me some pictures of NK obese people......
Since people have to exercise and only get rationed food their healthcare cost nothing. You should like this guru boy. They have successfully eliminated medicare, medicaid and a lot of other gov expenses you hate.

It's difficult to have a high rate of obesity when there is perpetual famine. But I'm sure that doesn't bother you, because it's an excellent method of population control.

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Why do so many companies move overseas to socialist countries...?
PUBLIC HEALTHCARE allows for cheaper production costs.
For profit healthcare has destroyed the US and allowed socialist countries to become owners of the US economy, our media and our wars.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with avoiding the excessive regulation and taxation by the U.S. Government.

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Show me some pictures of NK obese people......
Since people have to exercise and only get rationed food their healthcare cost nothing. You should like this guru boy. They have successfully eliminated medicare, medicaid and a lot of other gov expenses you hate.

















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I was hoping for something like this not some ruling class fucks:
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I'm sure it has nothing to do with avoiding the excessive regulation and taxation by the U.S. Government.

These companies are much more regulated in the countries they are moving to. This means they voluntarily endure more regulation and unions and 6 weeks mandatory vacation and higher taxes and a socialist government and still can produce cheaper?
Wow.
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I'm sure it has nothing to do with being able to pay employees a considerably lower wage in those countries.

Minimum wage laws have really messed things up, here.

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I'm sure it has nothing to do with being able to pay employees a considerably lower wage in those countries.

Minimum wage laws have really messed things up, here.

I am sure this not related to these governments taking care of it's citizens social needs and their health. All of these countries have minimum wage laws. Most of them have laws requiring a company to pay 14 and 16 monthly salaries and mandated bonuses. However the CEO's don't make 300 times what their workers make.
Here are employee owned businesses with very strong unions:
VW, BMW, Siemens, ...
State owned:
Hyundai, Samsung, ....
All of them have a very big share of the US economy.

This means Korea (so) as a state and China control the US. Fun huh!
Under the current status quo your life is more under the control of socialist countries than under control of the US gov. Fun huh!
You call Obama a socialist because he wants to take some control of the US destiny back to the US. What an ass.....
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You call Obama a socialist because he wants to take some control of the US destiny back to the US.

1) Please quote me where I called Obama a socialist.

2) How do we take back control of our destiny from China by raising the national debt to 3 trillion dollars and borrowing MORE money from China?

3) Companies move to countries like Mexico and India because of the availability of cheap labor. If there were no minimum wage laws, companies could stay put, hire more Americans, and stem the flow of illegal aliens into the country all at the same time.

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1) Please quote me where I called Obama a socialist.

2) How do we take back control of our destiny from China by raising the national debt to 3 trillion dollars and borrowing MORE money from China?

3) Companies move to countries like Mexico and India because of the availability of cheap labor. If there were no minimum wage laws, companies could stay put, hire more Americans, and stem the flow of illegal aliens into the country all at the same time.

You can not live in the US on less than minimum wage. Actually it's impossible to live in the US on minimum wage. You can loose min wage but than you would have to drop cost of living to the cost of living in those dreaded socialist countries. You'd have to provide cheap rent PUBLIC housing and tons of cheap public transport. How else are your cheap laborers come to your factory?

I started my first business with borrowed money and a great business plan which sold stocks. some of my stock holders are Europeans. I am obviously better at business than most native Americans with my socialist free education.
My point. I borrowed money to invest into myself. Get it??? Not to wage wars or give tax breaks to rich dudes.

I manufacture in China because after 7 years of trying in the US, I resigned to the fact that it is impossible to produce quality goods in the US. It was not the cheap labor only the quality that the Chinese offered, indeed I hate to do this, it creates a bunch of other head aches.

The US did not invest in it's own schools and it's own people in general. Only rich families are as educated as I with my free ed. I would need skilled people who take pride in their work but I could not find them. Instead I was robbed, I had to throw out entire production runs and after 7 years of that I said f this and went to China. Since then my business has grown by 1,200%.
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You can not live in the US on less than minimum wage.

You are not supposed to be able to support a family on minimum wage.

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You can loose min wage ...

The US did not invest in it's own schools and it's own people

Looks like your free education is worth exactly what you paid.
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Haven't read the whole thread...

but I'll add food for thought.


I've spent the last week worried about my mum in hospital, or at least trying to be at the hospital every day. She's had a 3.5 hr operation and had some very difficult moments since. One at least that put in her in tears. Throughout though she's had excellent care (within reasonable limits) and the Edinburgh nurses were a delight.


My Mum's been poor, but comes from a wealthy background. She needn't worry about money, because she's plenty of savings and property, but I grew up in part whilst she received welfare as a single parent. She received the same care as a wealthy women as she would have done years ago as just a struggling single mother. Right now she's sleeping downstairs. She's well and happy and far from fretting over urine smells etc , that I have never smelt in a UK hospital, she's well.


She has enough money to get care anywhere she want's, she got it locally on the NHS, and she's fine. If you say God Bless America, just remember that God doesn't bless when money get's a grip over fools and discludes and impoverishes people. God bless my Mum.
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I was hoping for something like this not some ruling class fucks:

While obesity doesn't appear to be a problem in North Korea, it is a rising concern in the south @ http://hanopolis.com/?articleNo=1916...-rise-in-Korea


Fearless leader is happy that obesity isn't a problem in the north as these reports state:

Good news from the WHO: North Koreas got obesity under control
By: MARY KATHARINE HAM
Weekly Standard
05/10/10 11:34 AM EDT

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Just 13 years after a famine that wiped out millions of its people and three years after a flood that aggravated frequent food shortages, caused by an authoritarian dictator who doesnt allow citizens to farm or sell food privately and has a history of rejecting international humanitarian aid, the country of North Korea has tackled its obesity problem.

So reports World Health Organization General-Director Margaret Chan:

Chan spent most of her brief visit in Pyongyang, and she said that from what she had seen there most people had the same height and weight as Asians in other countries, while there were no signs of the obesity emerging in some parts of Asia.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-93282539.html

United Nations Defends North Korean Health Care System
Posted July 22nd, 2010 at 2:00pm in American Leadership 4

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[A]ssessment of Margaret Chan, Director General of the U.N.s World Health Organization. Following a visit to the Country in April 2010, Dr. Chan observed:

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[W]alking is quite well observed in that country, and I suggest that is why I didnt see many obese people.



Chens comments were heavily criticized when reported and rightly so. The lack of obese people is due to chronic food shortages in the country, exacerbated by the governments opposition to letting farmers sell their crops for profit. A large percentage of the populace falls below international standards of malnutrition and an estimated one million North Koreans died of starvation and starvation-related diseases in the 1990s. The country needs massive amounts of international food aid every year to avoid a repetition of starvation.

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/07/22/...h-care-system/

North Korean refugees are smaller on average than South Koreans
North Korean refugees may be a little smaller than their S Korean counterparts, but they're probably also slimmer and lower on the BMI scale
Hanopolis | 11:05am, Thu, Feb 18, 2010



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The agency, which surveyed 6,967 people aged 19 and up and 1,257 people aged 18 and below who fled to S Korea from the North from 2005 and 2008 found that they were smaller and lighter on average compared to their counterparts in the South.

"The report proves that food aid provided by South Korea, other countries and international organizations has failed to help improve the health of North Koreans," lawmaker Son Sook-mee of the National Assemby's Health, Welfare and Family Affairs committee said, according to Chosun Ilbo. "We must strengthen monitoring to guarantee that malnourished and needy North Korean people receive the food offered by the international community."

The KCDC found that adult N Korean men are about 165.4 cm tall (5'5") compared to around 171.4 cm (5'7.5") for S Korean men. Among women, N Korean women are on average 154.2 cm tall (5' 1/2") compared to 158.4 cm (5'2.5")for S Korean women.

They were also found to be lighter as well at 60.2 kg (132.7 lbs) for men, about 11.8 kg (26 lbs) lighter. N Korean women were 52.8 kg (116.4 lbs), 4.3 kg (9.5 lbs) less than their southern counterpart. But arguably, with growing obesity in the South, the North's weight may actually be a healthier thing.

http://hanopolis.com/?articleNo=1661...than-S-Koreans
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How has Obamacare affected you so far?
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How has Obamacare affected you so far?

I can no longer purchase an individual health insurance policy for my child.

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Looks like your free education is worth exactly what you paid.

Absolutely.
I kicked 97% of Americans ass in just 8 years and english is my 3rd language and I didn't have a green card.
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All any corporation has to do now is enact a greedy, mean-spirited policy while saying the government forced its hand. All of a sudden a thousand screaming monkeys will fly out of the trees flinging their poo at the government while the corporate assholes just laugh and count their money. Those monkeys are being played SO HARD and they don't even know it.

 

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All the government has to do now is enact stricter laws and assume more control over our lives while saying that greedy corporations forced its hand...while it continues to steal money from said greedy corporations.

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Except the second scenario is bullshit. There's that.

 

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You see no problem with giving increasingly more power to government?

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Are we still at the point where Mumbo Jumbo and BR (et al) believe that people are basically evil and greedy and, left to their own would run roughshod over, exploit and steal from other people...but giving people lots of government power, authority and the right to legally use force and coercion will make things better?

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Justice Thomas' wife says healthcare law is unconstitutional

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Virginia Thomas is working to repeal the law through Liberty Central, a conservative group she founded. Her husband, Justice Clarence Thomas, could provide a key vote to strike down the law.

Virginia Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, is working to repeal what she believes is President Obama's "unconstitutional law" regulating health insurance, an issue likely to be decided by the high court.

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"With the U.S. Constitution on our side and the hearts and minds of the American people with us, freedom will prevail,"

says a position paper posted on the website of Liberty Central, the group formed by Virginia Thomas this year to advance conservative principles and candidates.

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"As a matter of formal legal ethics, a spouse's opinion on a constitutional issue, even if widely disseminated, does not require a judge's disqualification," said Northwestern University law professor Steven Lubet. "Her wisdom or judgment is not something I can comment on."

However, Stephen Gillers, a legal ethics professor at New York University, said Virginia Thomas' advocacy did threaten to tarnish the court's appearance of nonpartisanship.

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"I would have hoped for greater self-restraint out of respect for the court. She is hurting the institution," he said. "But that's just my concern. The rules don't stop her. Mrs. Thomas has a 1st Amendment right to take a prominent public position on any legal or political issue she chooses. The conflict and recusal rules govern Justice Thomas, not his wife."

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-...,2002825.story
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Are we still at the point where Mumbo Jumbo and BR (et al) believe that people are basically evil and greedy and, left to their own would run roughshod over, exploit and steal from other people...but giving people lots of government power, authority and the right to legally use force and coercion will make things better?

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No, that's how things are now.

How do you think someone who is working 40 hrs a week in a plush office and does not own a business but just works there can take home 140 million a year and more?
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How do you think someone who is working 40 hrs a week in a plush office and does not own a business but just works there can take home 140 million a year and more?

Who are you speaking of?

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Who are you speaking of?

myself.

no I wished.... I own businesses and work all the time
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myself.

no I wished.... I own businesses and work all the time

So you're not speaking of someone in particular? Are you just making shit up and making broad generalizations based on unsupported assumptions?

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HHS Giving States Millions of Taxpayer Dollars to ‘Help Consumers File Complaints’ Against Their Health Plans

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(CNSNews.com) – President Obama’s Health and Human Services Department on Tuesday announced nearly $30 million in grants to “help consumers see the benefits” of the Democrats’ new health care law.

Those “benefits” include helping consumers file appeals and grievances against their existing health insurance plans.

HHS says the $30 million will go to state consumer assistance programs that help Americans who have questions or concerns about their health insurance.

Specifically, the grants will help consumers:
-- enroll in health coverage;
-- file complaints and appeals against their health plans (see examples below);
-- educate consumers about their rights and empower them to take action; and
-- track consumer complaints to help identify problems and strengthen enforcement.
Claims and grievances

According to HHS’ HealthCare.gov Web site, the consumer services division of the Arkansas Insurance Department is getting $296,659 to help consumers in various ways, including the option to "[p]repare and file claims, grievances, or appeals” against their existing insurance plans.

Likewise, Nevada is getting $240,000, part of which will provide consumers "with information and clarification of benefits and assist consumers in filing grievances, complaints, billing disputes and appeals."

Maryland's Consumer Protection Division is getting almost $600,000 to, among other things, hire additional personnel to assist in "preparing appeals and grievances, especially in cases involving medical necessity."

The Texas Department of Insurance is getting almost $2.8 million to reach out to uninsured residents "using multi-lingual materials." It also will "provide individual assistance with the filing of complaints, appeals, and grievances."

Puerto Rico's Office of the Patient’s Advocate is getting a total of $396,744, part of which will pay for seven new "grievance officers" to "resolve complaints."

Altogether, 35 states, four territories and the District of Columbia applied for and will receive grant money. (For a full summary of how each State or Territory will use their new resources, click here.)

“The Affordable Care Act’s Patient’s Bill of Rights gives people important benefits and ends the worst insurance company abuses,” said HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius in an Oct. 19 news release. “These grants will help ensure consumers’ rights are protected, and they are another way the new law is putting patients, not insurance companies, in charge of their health care.”

HHS said the $30-million in Consumer Assistance Grants have the potential to benefit millions of Americans: “These grants will fund programs that will support consumers, both now as we transition to a more competitive, patient-centered health insurance marketplace in 2014 and once that new marketplace is established.”

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Republican Hypocrisy on Obamacare

Come on, PO "progressives"...you know you want to read it.

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Liberty Central, a group founded by the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, blames staff errors for attaching her name to a memorandum and for another Web posting that called for the repeal of the law.
By Kathleen Hennessey, Tribune Washington Bureau
October 21, 2010|1:01 p.m.

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WASHINGTON A conservative group founded by Virginia Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, removed references to the "unconstitutional" healthcare law from its website on Thursday and blamed staff errors for statements indicating the group believed the law should be struck down.

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"Liberty Central assiduously avoids taking a position on the constitutionality of this, and other issues, and will continue to do so in the future," said Sarah Field, the group's chief operating officer.

Field's comments came in response to a Tribune Washington Bureau story noting that Thomas, a longtime conservative activist who recently has raised her profile, had taken positions on legal issues likely to come before her husband.

Field said Thomas did not intend to sign a memorandum that called for the repeal of the "unconstitutional law." The memorandum was circulated by another group, the Conservative Action Project, and posted on Liberty Central's website. It has since been removed.

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"[Thomas] did not review the memo, it was reviewed by staff who mistakenly signed off with her name on it. As a result, we have asked CAP to remove her name and they did so immediately," the statement said.

In addition to the memorandum drafted by CAP, Liberty Central's website included other posts that appeared to assert a position on the issue. The group urged supporters to attend an event hosted by Virginia Atty. Gen. Ken Cuccinelli, who has filed one of several court challenges to the law. It included a position paper signed by Liberty Central's managing editor Brian Faughnan that said the law contained provisions that the "Constitution does not permit."

The site also encouraged visitors to sign a petition on the healthcare law circulated by Revere America, a group founded by former New York Gov. George Pataki.

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"This law includes an unprecedented overreach of the federal government into the lives of individuals and tramples on the Constitution," the petition said.

On Thursday, Liberty Central posted an update to the site describing the position paper signed by Faughnan as "misattributed," and saying that it was actually written by Betsy McCaughey, an opponent of the healthcare law who is not on Liberty Central's staff.

Later in the day, the post was removed.

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"Liberty Central is America's Public Square we provide information to people from a variety of third parties on a wide range of subjects. We have reviewed the materials on the Liberty Central website and there is nothing there that takes a position regarding the constitutional challenges to the new healthcare law. But to eliminate any confusion or misinterpretation in this instance, we are removing this piece from the website," Field said.

Virginia Thomas' activism has raised questions about how a spouse's partisan activity can shade perceptions of a justice's impartiality. Thomas has defended her right to express her political opinions. She typically does not identify herself as the wife of a Supreme Court justice while promoting Liberty Central.

The issue does come up, however.

In an August interview on Fox News Channel, Thomas said she agreed with host Neil Cavuto that issues like California's ban on gay marriage and Arizona's tough illegal immigration law should be decided by people, not the courts. [FT Comment ]

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"We are all about policy and what the people can say and do in the public square. Once it hits a legal test, it's a different whole thing," Thomas said. "So I see a very bright line between law and policy and I know other people in my household do, too."

Asked more directly if her husband opposes the court challenges, Thomas was vague.

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"I just said he sees law and policy different," she said.
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Better yet, just think. That would be a good start.

Could overhaul undermine employer health coverage?

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WASHINGTON -- The new health care law wasn't supposed to undercut employer plans that have provided most people in the U.S. with coverage for generations.

But last week a leading manufacturer told workers their costs will jump partly because of the law. Also, a Democratic governor laid out a scheme for employers to get out of health care by shifting workers into taxpayer-subsidized insurance markets that open in 2014.

Tennessee Gov. Bredesen said last week that employers could save big money by dropping their health plans and sending workers to buy coverage in the exchange. They'd face a fine of $2,000 per worker, but that's still way less than the cost of providing health insurance.

Employers could even afford to give workers a raise and still come out ahead, Bredesen wrote in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece.

Sure. They'll do that.

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The new health care law wasn't supposed to undercut employer plans that have provided most people in the U.S. with coverage for generations. But said Bredesen, "The economics of dropping existing coverage is about to become very attractive to many employers, both public and private."

Employers are actively looking at that. "I don't know if the intent was to find an exit strategy for providing benefits, but the bill as written provides the mechanism," said Deloitte's Keckley (Paul H., Ph.D.), the consultant.

I presume he gets paid for such penetrating insight

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That's just not going to happen, White House officials say.

Oh. Well then, never mind.
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Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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