Originally Posted by BR
Yes, you would prefer to throw everyone to the lions. Christian revenge?
Really, BR. Really? You are constant as the Northern Star.
Hmm...maybe a good reason to get some single payer going.
Right, because gee....you guys....awww shucks....didn't see this coming. Also, no.
Healthcare should be decoupled from work, anyway.
Agreed there. But while we're on the topic, do you know how we got here? Wage controls. That's how. During WWII, FDR's wage controls prompted companies to start offering fringe benefits, one of which was company paid medical. Over time, most employers adopted this to attract workers. Eventually it became an expectation to have benefits. And now...gee...we're going a step further: Now it's "right" to have insurance.
It keeps people in jobs in which they are mistreated or under-appreciated out of fear of losing their healthcare.
That's your concern? That might be an issue, but it also:
1. Is costing employers dearly, causing them to make employees contribute more and cut coverage.
2. Means that when one gets fired or quits, health insurance virtually disappears as COBRA is unaffordable for most.
Decoupling healthcare from employment will help level the playing field for the workers.
Oh boy, the Workers of the World speech. No, BR. It's not about "leveling the playing field" for the poor little union factory worker or laborer. You always portray work as if it's the 1920's, with lines of coal-faced men lining up with their tin pails and hard hats, just trying to earn a decent wage from the greedy, big oil/coal/random-evil-business. Please.
Decoupling is the way to go, but as MJ notes we disagree on the why and how. First, we should do it to let individuals make their own decisions, not force them into the Borg-like collective you apparently support.
Secondly, we should open competition in the market while preserving some basic protections for consumers (e.g. opening competition across state lines, preserving pre-existing conditions protections for those that are currently insurable/insured).
Third, we need to change our entire mindset of what medical insurance is for. We expect it to pay for everything. This has made healthcare the racket it is. I don't care about cost a consumer of healthcare, because I pay $5-15 for a doctor's visit, $10-$35 for a script, and $40 for major surgery. In turn, this means my doctor gets to get paid his insurance co-pay (and mine) every time he sees me, which of course includes authorizing a prescription I've been on for 6 years. The whole system makes demand skyrocket and supply stay the same or get smaller. One of the best illustrations of our flawed mindset is the following: "Imagine how expensive your car insurance would be if, in addition to collision and liability, it covered gas, tires, oil changes and car washes." Yet that's exactly what we expect our health insurance to do.
Or, I suppose we could go the way you propose: Free unlimited healthcare for all! Weeeeeeee!