Originally Posted by vinea
And yet they pulled resources from the Mac side to finish the iPhone. Sure, they COULD hire a bunch of folks and then fire them later. It's a another thing to do and I'm sure they looked at it but it fell below the cut line because of lack of interest on the part of Verizon.
Let me see if I understand the reasoning here. Apple has cash reserves well north of $15 billion. They are competing in two of the most innovative and quick changing industries in the world, computers and cell phones. Finally the past bit is... they can't or won't hire two full time teams to do this.
I think you point out the basis for my claims and criticisms perfectly. Thanks. Apple has large enough profits and more than enough cash on hand to easily keep and hire enough people to work on both full time. They have enough resources to address multiple models, cell radio protocols, you name it.
And there were plenty of planned and announced music stores. It may not take a year for Palm to get moving but I doubt they'll move as far.
I think most have a much better view about the store. Many companies got into music stores expecting large profits. They thought they were selling blades and realized they were giving away razors. I don't think any platform provider starting an app store is thinking of it as a profit center.
They should have released by now but it's still a work in progress from what I hear. It should be fine by the time they get it out the door at the end of summer.
Yes because going from EDGE to 3G was a software change, and that's not a Cortex-A8 in the new 3GS.
Those aren't very large changes at all, especially when the chip that drives the cell radio and CPU are not directly developed by Apple. To me this is about as "innovative" as doubling the storage.
It's a given that there was a lot of low hanging fruit with which to close some of the gap. But Apple isn't sitting still and just added access to the dock which opens up a lot of 3rd party peripherals.]And no one has the same music and media capabilities in their phones.
There are plenty of phones with much better music playback and even media capabilities. Much like how Mac users have to put up with such claims about no solutions etc from PC users, this is the way non-iPhone users think about any phone that doesn't use iTunes. For example I have several full length movies on my phone. Torrents are your friends.
Sure. If the choice is between the 3GS and a 3G equivalent on Verizon it's no contest. I pick having the 3GS. And while Apple COULD do both I think they are already stretched kinda thin.
Not by a long shot, if the best Apple can do in two years, is choosing some better components from subcontractors, then they are screwed.
And what makes you think that you're right this time and Apple is wrong? When they see the business need to support Verizon AND Verizon will accept them on APPLE'S terms then it'll happen.
First the action I wanted Apple to take WAS THE RIGHT ACTION. What I said I was wrong about was whether Jobs would do it. The man is brilliant but has some serious obsessions that keep circling around periodically with the same terrible results in terms of market performance. The Lisa, the Cube, etc. The man does occasionally miss the mark.
Realize that RIGHT NOW you are arguing what I claimed Jobs would do with the iPod and realize that he didn't do it then and the iPod has been a phenomenal success. People said Apple had made the perfect product and just needed to keep making it and incrementally improving it. The claim was that they DIDN'T need to turn it into a brand with different price points across all market segments that gave us things like the Nano, Shuffle, Touch, etc. They just needed to keep making that industry leading great iPod (that we would now call the Classic) and never change or adapt.
Apple didn't do that that then, and they shouldn't do that now.
Do you think Jobs has some bizzaro vendetta against Verizon that he won't let Apple release an iPhone for Verizon?
I'm not sure why they won't make a CDMA phone. The business case for it is very strong.
And obviously Apple doesn't care to gain share at any cost...or they'd have cut a deal with a Chinese operator by now.
I suspect that given that country, that might have more to do with protection of intellectual capital and copyright. To me this is more about legal infrastructure in China.
They do ignore entire market segments or we wouldn't have perpetual xMac whining.
Exactly and those people are whining because we have PC using friends and family we could convert with that xMac and instead they run down to Best Buy and get a PC.
So you're saying that the company that was bright enough to commoditize the iPod is too stupid to understand Verizon's US market share? Or maybe they have info that you and I don't have and it's simply not the right time for it?
Nah...they're obviously idiots and doomed to failure.
The iPod is their exception to their own rule and has been a fantastic success. I'm saying they need to throw out that rule. They need to throw out the mindset that made them a minority and at times marginal computer manufacturer and adopt more of the mindset that made them the worldwide leader in mind and marketshare of MP3 players. Both mindsets are clearly withn the company still.
Well, enjoy your Dare. Of course, you're not very well positioned to comment on how good or bad the iPhone is.
I play with plenty of iPhones and have plenty of friends who own them. They all bitch about AT&T and dropped calls incessantly.
Please, everyone understood that it was face saving for AT&T who's 3G network wasn't ready.
So you are saying Apple is brilliant but will cripple products to save face for an incompetent partner?
The lack of EVDO is not a "radio issue". The lack of EVDO is due completely to a lack of agreement between Verizon and Apple. Apple has little reason for concession on things they consider important and the longer that Verizon drags it out, the closer LTE is. At which point, there's no point in supporting EVDO.
So go with Sprint, go with companies in other countries that use EVDO. Produce the phone. This is nothing but justification for what Apple hasn't done.
And you know this how? Because you've used the rough edges of your iPhone? Because JD Power didn't rank the iPhone at the top of customer satisfaction? Oh wait, they did.
I tried to purchase an iPhone. My friends and I were going to switch. He is a sole proprietor of his business and I'm just an employee so since he sets his schedule, he went down and bought his 3G first. He called me from it all smug and I told him that he needed to roll up his window in the car so I could hear him better. The problem is he was standing in his living room.
Tell me, where did JD Power rank AT&T?
Where did they rank Verizon? We should have the choice of the best with the best. I love Mac's but if Apple would only provide them on a substandard internet provider, I'd find a way to get by with something else as an example. The network IS critical for use.
Again, you're saying Apple took a couple years off and simply ignoring the 3G, 3GS, OS 2.0 and OS 3.0. You're completely full of it.
Yes, because Apple isn't adapting or changing at all.
They didn't switch to a subsidized model for the 3g and they haven't added any new, unique features at all.
Other providers have gone from nothing to 95% of the iPhone. Apple has added that 5% to stay ahead. They need to go back to the drawing board or in another year, they will be at parity or behind.
3.0 has been pretty nice but the real advantage to 3.0 over 2.0 comes later this summer with devices like TomTom. Yes, other phones have GPS and turn by turn. The iPhone will hopefully be a real GPS replacement on par with standalone GPS devices.
My Razr had voice dialing and turn by turn GPS. Competitors already include GPS. Many smartphones include this and it is a very weak argument since it is moving closer toward being a standard feature rather than an add-on. This is like proclaiming that Apple is going to support stereo bluetooth and having everyone laugh since it is already well supported everywhere else.
The difference will hopefully be like the difference of the iPhone as an iPod replacement and a Samsung as a iPod replacement.
It also opens the door to a fully featured D-pad for gaming and 720p output from the 3GS.
Done WELL the iPhone replaces a phone, an iPod, a Tom-Tom and a PSP.
Done poorly you have yet another smartphone with some music playlists, a so-so turn by turn capability and some java games.
That's the difference you don't get. Piling on poorly implement features isn't a win.
Yes, Apple will crush several global leading companies in their primary fields on interest with a part time software team and a jack of all trades device that will do none of them great.
Apple will sell more iPhones by going EVDO than they would ever sell to replace TomToms. I assure you.
I want Apple to continue to do what they are doing. Which has been to change to meet market needs and adding secondary features alongside exciting NEW features and possibilities.
Apple IS on the ball. You just choose to ignore everything positive Apple has done since launch or characterize it as "filling holes".
A lot of people and a lot of reviews characterizing it as filling holes. MMS, voice dialing, GPS services, 90% of Apple's "innovation" has been offering features that were on my Razr.