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post #41 of 129
AT&T isn't desperately trying to do anything it can to stop hemorrhaging nearly a million customers each quarter.

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I'm confused, this will be 10 bucks a month ON TOP of the unlimited data plan?

With the data plan I have with Sprint, the navigation is free. Always has been. I can't believe AT&T is doing that.
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If any other turn-by-turn app that comes out also doesn't have a fee.

Well then I'll stick with my present solution. Subscription model is a deal breaker. For months I don't need navigation, then suddenly I do three days in a row. I don't want to fiddle with subscription models each time I need directions. Let me pay a price and be done with. I'll pay for new maps but that's it.
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This app breaks the rule, stated very clearly by Apple, that free apps remain free. I'm positive no one else will be allowed to offer a free app that uses in-app purchase. AT&T should not either.

This app must cost $0.99 or it is a rule-breaker.

Not the case: they are not selling updates to the app, they are offering a connection to a proprietary service...XM Sirius does the same thing.
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post #44 of 129
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The application itself (AppStore) is free, but requires a $9.95 monthly service subscription.

As a new iPhone user, I will patiently wait for the TomTom app later this summer, AT&T is getting/got enough of my money.

No pricing yet for the TomTom app, but I'll gladly pay whatever as long as it's reasonable:
http://iphone.tomtom.com

Since TomTom is a one-time payment, I'd rather pay $100-200 one time for life and then pay $40-80 every 2 years for map updates (no need to update yearly), than pay AT&T $9.95 a month for life - a complete scam and rip-off. GO TOMTOM!!!

:later.
post #45 of 129
The turn by turn (minus voice) app I bought from the app store back in February for $40 (US Maps) still works fine for me, thanks.
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You are not getting it for "free". You are paying for it. The more important question is do you have any other option for a GPS service other than Verizon's?

It is included in the bundle of services I buy from Verizon. The cost of the bundle which happens to include email, Vcast, data and GPS. The AT&T plan for the iPhone is $30 per phone and doesn't include this app. These features add $40 a month to my bill for TWO phones which means that for $20 a month I get all the services including the GPS bundled.

Scream about whatever label you want. At $10 less per month for more services, I'm not going to complain.

I haven't called to confirm but as of today, these are the apps available under Maps & Location Services. If you want more info go to the site yourself.

* AAA Mobile
* Rand McNally Street
Finder
* Location Management
* Rand McNally Traffic\t
* Super Pages
* Super Pages 2.0
* MapQuest Mobile
* MyCast Weather
* MyCast 5 Weather
* Weather Bug
* Weather Channel
* Weather Scout
* AccuWeather.com Premium
* Weather News

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Do all these turn-by-turn apps have all the features that normal GPS devices have (I see the AT&T one does have some)? That is major sites, gas stations, restaurant locator, etc?

How's the turn-by-turn voice? It would be neat to choose between mulitple voices (male/female) and languages.

I wouldn't pay the $9.95 monthly fee. If it was $2.95 then sure.

Mine has all that and more. It has speech recognition, works in multiple languages, can tell me the weather at my destination, shows what local theaters are playing the movie I want to see and at what time, it gives me the closest gas stations and their fuel prices. I use it most for movies, finding new places when I haven't been there, and traffic information when I go down to the coast.

I'm sure the AT&T app will do the same. The iPhone is a great solution but I'm betting that the cell provider wars in this smart/dumb phone gray area and bundling of services is really going to bring about some interesting options. There isn't a person I can think of who could resist the iPhone if the $30 data plan included messaging and GPS. Instead they are expensive add-ons while most feature phone plans include one or both of them.

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post #47 of 129
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You saw the power supply.

Wouldn't the head phone jack still work? Just plug a cable in to the the iPhone and the car; better yet possibly a bluetooth option to a receiver at the line in for the car . . . off to a google search.
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AT&T isn't desperately trying to do anything it can to stop hemorrhaging nearly a million customers each quarter.

Make that a million and one (I checked out from Sprint on Friday).

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Since TomTom is a one-time payment...

I must've missed that? Where did you see that the TomTom turn-by-turn app is going to be a one-time payment?

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post #49 of 129
Garmin has a software but too bad it doesn't list the iPhone as compatible.
http://www8.garmin.com/mobile/smartp...utmk=225514906
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Well then I'll stick with my present solution. Subscription model is a deal breaker. For months I don't need navigation, then suddenly I do three days in a row. I don't want to fiddle with subscription models each time I need directions. Let me pay a price and be done with. I'll pay for new maps but that's it.

It's not contract subscription ---- you can cancel it at any time.

Have a long weekend --- pay $3 a day to get directions to the bed and breakfast. March break or summer vacation --- pay $10 for the month.

Realistically, you probably only needs 2 months and 3 one day subscription for the whole year --- $29 a year.
post #51 of 129
Too late, too retarded.
It might have had a limited appeal, while nobody was offering turn-by-turn solutions for iPhone. At the time many carriers sold off-board navigation services like what AT&T tries to launch now. With only limited success.
If TomTom rolls out on-board navigation system with no subscription, AT&T's initiative will be a failure.

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post #52 of 129
Google maps does the job for me. Not as good and efficient as turn by turn but it does the job. I just hope they add things like alternative shortest and fastest route feature instead of one fits all.
post #53 of 129
Do you get GPS service if you don't pay for the bundle? What if you don't want Verizon's service what are your other options? iPhone users don't have to pay anything extra for GPS services, we have a choice of which we want to use.

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It is included in the bundle of services I buy from Verizon. The cost of the bundle which happens to include email, Vcast, data and GPS. The AT&T plan for the iPhone is $30 per phone and doesn't include this app. These features add $40 a month to my bill for TWO phones which means that for $20 a month I get all the services including the GPS bundled.
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Ya know what's interesting is that TomTom could literally OWN the market if they made the software cheap (< $50). But I've got a hunch they aren't going to do that...

I'm sure they'll still have optional updates for $30ish a year (or more) because the app will never expire so even if you get a new iPhone you'll be able to keep your GPS forever.

EDIT: On a side note does anyone think an independent programmer could make a Google Maps based turn by turn and release it on the app store for. idk, $10? I'd be willing to pay $10 for something that used turn by turn but still relied on the cell towers but a monthly subscription - yeah, I'm out...

i think most of the processing for this happens "in the cloud" and not on the device. even if you have the map on the device it's just for faster rendering, and doesn't mean that the app processes everything inside the iPhone
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Too late, too retarded.
It might have had a limited appeal, while nobody was offering turn-by-turn solutions for iPhone. At the time many carriers sold off-board navigation services like what AT&T tries to launch now. With only limited success.
If TomTom rolls out on-board navigation system with no subscription, AT&T's initiative will be a failure.

The full priced $100+ nav app is the one that has limited appeal. Verizon had their largest downloads for VZ Navigator during the long weekends in the summer. This is how "normal" people uses TBT solutions --- a couple of months in the summer and a few long weekends --- about $30 a year.

Everybody charges a subcription for live traffic. And the companies that charge a "lifetime" subscription for live traffic for $50-100 --- can you really trust them? Like how navigon announced that they are leaving the US PND market.
post #56 of 129
Anyone else having issues? I've been trying to download the AT&T Navigator App for about 90 mins, both from my iPhone and my Mac, and keep getting unknown error messages. I prefer to think this is another AT&T screw up, but maybe it's an App Store issue? APPLE: Please get the iPhone on Verizon or another carrier. As much as I love the iPhone, I'm gonna dump it if AT&T can't get their s**t together. Lost calls, no signal, no tethering, poor customer service ... please give us some other options!
post #57 of 129
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post

Too late, too retarded.
It might have had a limited appeal, while nobody was offering turn-by-turn solutions for iPhone. At the time many carriers sold off-board navigation services like what AT&T tries to launch now. With only limited success.
If TomTom rolls out on-board navigation system with no subscription, AT&T's initiative will be a failure.

Is it really too late? They're ahead of TomTom.
post #58 of 129
Which idiot buys a $9.99/mon service for GPS? You can get a very nice GPS for $80 these days. These idiots don't want to sell the service, they just want to show a PPT to thier bosses that they completed one more project.
post #59 of 129
It will probably break your iPhone and then Apple will make you pay to fix it. This app will be like all the others - useless. How many people actually use apps they download after 1 month again?

Typical Crapple brainwashing.
post #60 of 129
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Do you get GPS service if you don't pay for the bundle? What if you don't want Verizon's service what are your other options? iPhone users don't have to pay anything extra for GPS services, we have a choice of which we want to use.

Go to the website and look. The answers to all your questions are there.

Short answers.

No GPS app if you the phone doesn't include one and you don't subscribe to one.
The other options were listed.
Yes you can subscribe to it separately and yes you can get all the other features without it.

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post #61 of 129
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Anyone else having issues? I've been trying to download the AT&T Navigator App for about 90 mins, both from my iPhone and my Mac, and keep getting unknown error messages. I prefer to think this is another AT&T screw up, but maybe it's an App Store issue? APPLE: Please get the iPhone on Verizon or another carrier. As much as I love the iPhone, I'm gonna dump it if AT&T can't get their s**t together. Lost calls, no signal, no tethering, poor customer service ... please give us some other options!

And still, you are trying to download this app?
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post #62 of 129
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Which idiot buys a $9.99/mon service for GPS? You can get a very nice GPS for $80 these days. These idiots don't want to sell the service, they just want to show a PPT to thier bosses that they completed one more project.

Funny! I think someone at AT&T forgot to read one of the requirement of that project. "If we charge subscription they are not going to buy".
post #63 of 129
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

The full priced $100+ nav app is the one that has limited appeal. Verizon had their largest downloads for VZ Navigator during the long weekends in the summer. This is how "normal" people uses TBT solutions --- a couple of months in the summer and a few long weekends --- about $30 a year.

But there are abnormal people next to normal ones. Abnormal people rarely need GPS guidance in the area that they are able to cover by weekend trip. They go abroad sometimes. Yep, by car. Oops... Solutions being offered by cellular carriers used to not work there. Then, let's see some shitty coverage like 3G in States. Oops... No signal. Abnormal people don't like to let the complete guidance go when they do need it... Traffic guidance drop is surely far less painful.

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Everybody charges a subcription for live traffic. And the companies that charge a "lifetime" subscription for live traffic for $50-100 --- can you really trust them? Like how navigon announced that they are leaving the US PND market.

Yes, I trust wholeheartedly recently bought on-board maps. I do not at all some maps behind the carrier's interface that I can't verify.

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post #64 of 129
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From what I understand Google does not license its maps for use with turn by turn.

That's correct.

10.9 use the Service or Content with any products, systems, or applications for or in connection with:

(a) real time navigation or route guidance, including but not limited to turn-by-turn route guidance that is synchronized to the position of a user's sensor-enabled device;
(b) any systems or functions for automatic or autonomous control of vehicle behavior; or
(c) dispatch, fleet management, business asset tracking, or similar enterprise applications (the Google Maps APIs can be used to track assets (such as cars, buses or other vehicles) as long as the tracking application is made available to the public without charge. For example, you may offer a free, public Maps API Implementation that displays real-time public transit or other transportation status information. If your Maps API Implementation is deployed internally or you are charging for use of your Maps API Implementation, please contact the Google Maps API Premier sales team for more information);
post #65 of 129
To put it more simply: Yes you have to subscribe to Verizon for GPS service. No you have no other option.

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No GPS app if you the phone doesn't include one and you don't subscribe to one.
The other options were listed.
Yes you can subscribe to it separately and yes you can get all the other features without it.
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Is it really too late? They're ahead of TomTom.

It depends on what TomTom is gonna offer us. If TomTom brings up basic yet worldwide (OK, almost) coverage with no monthly fee, just at the price of regular map update, then, well, yes. It's late.

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post #67 of 129
Actually about a month ago I had a road trip from California to New York, primarily guided by the iPhone. Its overstated how shitty the coverage is in the US.

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Then, let's see some shitty coverage like 3G in States. Oops... No signal.
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Actually about a month ago I had a road trip from California to New York, primarily guided by the iPhone. Its overstated how shitty the coverage is in the US.

Well, it's completely based on endless complaints by people from States and on surprising popularity of WiFi connectivity. In some countries people rarely recall WiFi in connection with iPhone and used to speak about 3G connectivity. Whence the statement on possible problems with 3G coverage seems close to being true.

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post #69 of 129
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Actually about a month ago I had a road trip from California to New York, primarily guided by the iPhone. Its overstated how shitty the coverage is in the US.

Most of the big guys have the interstate's covered when it comes to cell service - now if you would have taken some of those side roads for more than 10-15 mins you may have found yourself in a dead zone. So - basically, unless you live in one of those BFE towns or have relatives there you're going to be fine just driving on the highway.
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Originally Posted by mesomorphicman View Post
Since TomTom is a one-time payment...


I must've missed that? Where did you see that the TomTom turn-by-turn app is going to be a one-time payment?

Maybe you misunderstood me. I meant the current TomTom device and service (not on iPhone) is a one time payment service, and thereafter you only pay to update the maps as you want. With that, I am only guessing the iPhone app would also be a one time service charge with map updates for an added fee later. But the map update fee is minimal compared to the $9.95 monthly AT&T charges. To me it would make no sense for TomTom to deviate from their current payment structure only for iPhone users by charging iPhone users a monthly fee. That is my speculation and hope.

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post #71 of 129
Vodafone Australia has a GPS service called compass which you pay $A8 a month or $A2.50 a day, I would expect it to be similar to Verizon as they are linked via Vodafone owning a large share of Verizon.

So far it's for Symbian and Blackberry phones where you download the software from their site, a subscription model via iTunes could work well for the network and Apple.
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post #72 of 129
While its true AT&T's network is woefully inadequate to handle the iPhone challenge. The reason we use WiFi is because its faster than 3G.

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Well, it's completely based on endless complaints by people from States and on surprising popularity of WiFi connectivity. In some countries people rarely recall WiFi in connection with iPhone and used to speak about 3G connectivity. Whence the statement on possible problems with 3G coverage seems close to being true.
post #73 of 129
Gosh, what's with people!?

Does no one use a $4.99 Rand McNally anymore for their trips?
post #74 of 129
Yes of course there are dead zones, especially way out in the middle of an area where people don't live. But I had a signal most of the time.

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Most of the big guys have the interstate's covered when it comes to cell service - now if you would have taken some of those side roads for more than 10-15 mins you may have found yourself in a dead zone. So - basically, unless you live in one of those BFE towns or have relatives there you're going to be fine just driving on the highway.
post #75 of 129
If I buy this app, is ATT going to lock me into a 2-year contract?
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While its true AT&T's network is woefully inadequate to handle the iPhone challenge. The reason we use WiFi is because its faster than 3G.

While we do not. Because hotspots are sparse, and iPhone, having just sniffed WiFi connection, drops it instantly and switches to 3G everywhere.

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post #77 of 129
We actually did use a paper map to look over large distance of states. That's not as convenient to do on the iPhone's small screen.

When you are driving trough some small town. You search local restaurants and hotels. The iPhone will show you many of the restaurants and hotels in the area without having to drive around and search for them. It also can show you the miles and time from your current position to some distant destination. Rand McNally cannot do any of that.


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Gosh, what's with people!?

Does no one use a $4.99 Rand McNally anymore for their trips?
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To put it more simply: Yes you have to subscribe to Verizon for GPS service. No you have no other option.

What do you call the very first app on my list AAA mobile?

Are you just being a troll or what?

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But there are abnormal people next to normal ones. Abnormal people rarely need GPS guidance in the area that they are able to cover by weekend trip. They go abroad sometimes. Yep, by car. Oops... Solutions being offered by cellular carriers used to not work there. Then, let's see some shitty coverage like 3G in States. Oops... No signal. Abnormal people don't like to let the complete guidance go when they do need it... Traffic guidance drop is surely far less painful.

Yes, I trust wholeheartedly recently bought on-board maps. I do not at all some maps behind the carrier's interface that I can't verify.

Verizon's VZ Navigator offers a separate subscription package for worldwide navigation service --- I don't see any reason why AT&T will not do so for their own nav app service. Americans complain about AT&T's shitty 3G network and coverage --- because they compare to Verizon's much superior network and coverage.

Hardware GPS makers are dying left and right --- so it really means nothing if you get a lifetime subscription for traffic updates if the companies are out of business. You don't see carriers dying left and right.

Subscription model for TBT nav app is alive and well.
post #80 of 129
Yes I am absolutely a troll.

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Are you just being a troll or what?
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