Apple has Psystar's lawsuit stay lifted; Palm Pre unhurt by iPhone - Page 3

Originally Posted by chronster

Reading the stories from people is fine and everything, but don't stop there. Go to a Sprint store and try one out for a good 30 minutes to an hour.

The thing about horror and love stories for any product is it inevitably happens for EVERYTHING. The iphone still has horror stories from people.

Originally Posted by wbrasington

Not true.
A LOT of people will still use the 2.5G phone. There will be more available on EBay, and I think they will be snapped up. In the U.S., as long as the data plan is cheaper and 3G is unavailable everywhere, this thing will be my phone.

Originally Posted by chronster

Yeah I've read people's horror stories. (Still not as bad as the horror stories from Sprint's Samsung Instinct fiasco lol.) The screen breaking is not acceptable. I think we can see where they skimped in order to turn a profit.

I played with one in the store for about 30 minutes. I didn't like it. It has potential, but every time I brought up the main menu by sliding my thumb upward from the bottom, it extended the keyboard slightly. That would get annoying quick.

Originally Posted by melgross

I'm certainly all for ethical behavior. I worked very hard while in business to be ethical.

But his was a fanboy type of reaction. He just can't stand the idea that someone who worked at Apple could possibly then go and work for a competitor without thinking of him as a traitor. That's a dangerous concept. Did he think that way about the people Apple hired away from other firms? I'd love to know that.

Originally Posted by brucep

His concept was sound . he just applied in an emo way . fanboy huh lol

I do think that someone should consider to be loyal to his firm within reason. I remember after the Rangers won the Stanley cup . 1/3 of the team left for big contracts else where. I felt f ing betrayed and i still do . Yet i see why they left . Any way he was no match for the grand poo bah !!

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Originally Posted by melgross

The entire concept of a GUI. Using the motorola processor.

It didn't have to be the same at the coding level to take the basic concepts.

I'n not saying it as a criticizm, just as a response to the post about Rubinstein.

Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer


Give me the option to have my Vertical Tear off Windows and I'm in production f'n heaven!

Originally Posted by NeverInDoubt

Doesn't surprise me.

I think the vast majority of Pre buyers are folks that are stuck with Sprint, for either business/contractual or geographic/network coverage reasons.

Those folks were waiting for a decent smartphone on Sprint, and now they presumably have one. They weren't choosing between an iPhone and a Pre.

Originally Posted by wnurse

Wrong.. my contract had been up with sprint for 6 months before I bought the pre, I know a couple of people personally who switched to sprint because of the pre.. before you make such prenouncements, you should really state a basis for it. Sprint would be in the best position to know their internal numbers better than you.. if they think their handset sale is result of switchers, i think they are more right than you.. don't you?.

Originally Posted by Tulkas

I don't understand why anyone would expect the 3GS launch to hurt pre sales in any substantial way. The pre appeals to certain demographics, some of why will not overlap with 3GS. One demographic are those that have no intention of buying an iPhone, whether because it doesn't meet their needs, they have a distain for Apple or they just don't want it. Another group are those that are already on Sprint and don't want to switch to get a useable phone. Yet another group might be wannabe technophiles that want to get the newest gadget on the block and the 3GS just seems to pedestrian for their tastes now. I am not saying these groups encompass every pre buyer, but they will cover a sizable number of them. The 3GS launch would have no impact whatsoever on these sales. Combine this with the fact that there just is nowhere near the demand for the pre that there was/is for the iPhone and it makes it a silly call to say it is a surprise that the 3GS launch didn't hurt pre sales.

The pre hasn't launched here yet, but I know of only one person with any intention of even considering a purchase. His comment was "finally, a useable smart phone that can shut up the iPhone fanboies". Alternatively, when the iPhone 3G was announced to be coming to Canada last year, there were dozens I knew that wanted to check them out. A few co-workers bought them at launch and that number has at least tripled in the year since. I now see more iPhones at work than Blackberries (which is ironic, given the number of RIM employees are in this building). The pre seems to appeal to a different market segment than the iPhone. While it is getting lots of press, it just doesn't seem to have gained any real traction. Even in the US, it seems like mainly the 'anything but iPhone' crowd, Sprint customers and those that will buy anything shiny and new.

Anyway, the pre seems very nice. If the iPhone didn't meet my needs, I would definitely consider it. That WebOS sure seems shiny.

Originally Posted by melgross

When you consider the puny sales of the Pre, even though it's being built up as being great, you can understand that people are not regarding it as a viable option.

It seems that the Pre's sales are almost all from current Sprint customers. That's not what Sprint hoped for, or needs.

Why would that be so?

We have Verizon, considered by many to be the best network, yet, many Verizon customers have been moving to AT&T for the iPhone. Sprint and AT&T are about the same, but many Sprint customers are leaving to go to AT&T as well, for the iPhone. Sprint is losing 4 million customers a yeardevastating!

So there are undoubtedly more than a few customers who would be considering the Pre. That makes sense. But they would want to wait just one more week to see what Apple had coming. That makes sense as well. A few of those customers will buy the Pre, but most won't.

Both of these phones are contending for the same customer base. The BB fits in here as well of course.

I hope that Palm will be successful with the Pre, WebOS, and whatever newer phones they may come out with.

But let's not pretend that in this increasingly crowded field, that customers aren't going to look at all contenders. As the iPhone is the preeminent smartphone environment, it will be the first to be considered for many people. The Pre, being new, and from a company that's been having major problems, will have to play catch-up. There will be more skepticism there.

So many of people will wait for the iPhone, before they make a decision about the Pre. Some will then choose the Pre, but many more will choose the iPhone.

We're seeing that happen.

An article about the Pre's sales.

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/16105-P...Pre-sales.html

Originally Posted by Tulkas

I agree with all of that. But those customers that were intending to buy a pre at launch, are probably not in the group that is/was considering the new iPhone. It is not a revolutionary leap beyond the 3G. Any reasons they had for not considering an iPhone and planning on getting the pre at launch would likely have been unanswered by the 3G. So, those that were going to buy a pre still did. Absolutely, of those that were waiting to compare, the vast, overwhelming majority probably went with iPhone.

I guess it comes down to how many of those considering a pre at launch had already decided on the pre and how many were waiting to compare with the 3GS. I would suggest that, as early adopters, they already had their minds set on the pre and nothing short of an earth shattering new iPhone would have swayed them. In this case, the whole premise of being surprised by the continued success, small as it is anyway, seems like a bit of feigned surprise. That success for a Palm launch, a company that has been in the business for so many years, is such a small number relative to Apple (a newcomer to the business) is sort of funny. Comparatively, Apple has massive sales and we hear how they haven't managed to over take RIM or Nokia in just 2 years, as though this is a failing on their part.

Originally Posted by wnurse

Wrong.. my contract had been up with sprint for 6 months before I bought the pre, I know a couple of people personally who switched to sprint because of the pre.. before you make such prenouncements, you should really state a basis for it. Sprint would be in the best position to know their internal numbers better than you.. if they think their handset sale is result of switchers, i think they are more right than you.. don't you?.