Upgrade fee sees few iPod touch users updating to 3.0 software - Page 3

Is Windows Mobile 6.5 or 7 going to be free for past customers?

Reasons for upgrade differences between Touches and iPhones have been given by Apple.

They're either good enough for you or they aren't.

You don't have to upgrade. So don't.

Spend the money on apps instead, then. Whatever.

Much ado about nothing.

Wrong. Software updates to OS X are point updates (10.5.6 -> 10.5.7) which are, pretty much without exception, just bug fixes and security patches with no significant new functionality.

Upgrades to OS X (ie Tiger -> Leopard) on the other hand cost money. The iPod Touch fw upgrades that cost money (1.x -> 2.x or 2.x -> 3.x) are the equivalent of a Tiger to Leopard upgrade.

Doesn't this Touch update unlock previously un-advertised Bluetooth capability? That sounds like hardware just like the WiFi N thing.


Except they offer 1/10 the functionality at 1/13 the cost. Not a bad deal

IndianPwnerDude <-- You are a TROLL.

I love how TROLLS justify their stealing!

You don't steal physicals things because your FEAR of getting caught. Try stealing an iPOD touch. Can't do it, right? Try stealing an off the shelf Windows box, can't do it right?

That would be embarrassing to get caught and you'd have a record and potential risk to your income.

so you disguise this FEAR by saying you're already SUPPORTING the company buying the device.

WEAK arguement. Try again.

So you buy the device (whooopeee!). but the company CONTINUES to SPEND MONEY on RESEACH and DEVELOPMENT, continues to SPEND MONEY on PAYROLL, on EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, etc.

so the improved user experience the UPGRADE provides has COST MONEY to DEVELOP.

YOU KNOW THIS VERY VERY WELL, STOP BULLSHITTING YOURSELF ALONG THE WAY.

YOU'RE A THIEF, YOU'RE A TROLL. WELCOME TO YOUR LIFE.

and if you're such a renegade, go and actually steal a physical item. go for it, TROLL!

iPod touch users complaining about $10 is pathetic!

iPhone users pay a monthly fee, this what subsidizes iPhone OS updates for iPhone users.

Well, maybe because the iPod touch is cheaper? In a number of European countries, Apple itself sells the iPhone 16 GB for 600 and the iPod touch 16 GB for 280. So even when paying for let's say five OS upgrades, the touch is still far, far cheaper.

Where am i whining ??? Where do I say I feel cheated ? ?
I get it

I get it.

I get your point.


I'm only stating that 99 percent of itouch users don't know about gapp.

All they see is that one party gets it for free and one party pays $10 dollars.
Do you get that ?

ok

peace my friend

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Except that work around comes from apple itself from the apple support site .The indian dude only made himself look like a hacker dude . He just did what many were told to do by apple support .

I hope you feel better .

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It's great that developers can 'name their price' and find the optimal level for their app. It may not seem fair to the early adopters, but that's the risk you take when you buy something.

All they see is that one party gets it for free and one party pays $10 dollars.
Do you get that ?

peace my friend

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So why don't we charge the iphone the same $10 software upgrade?
It's not the 10 dollars its feeling cheated .


Well.. here is see you saying "feeling cheated" in your post..

One does not get it free and the other pays $10. One pays for it in a 24 month subscription fee and the other pays for it on demand.

peace to you 2

And the developers in question would be employed-by-Apple developers. I should have been clearer. What I meant to say is that I hope the Apple developers who worked on the 3.0 firmware release would see at least some of the $10 fee going to their paychecks.

I agree. I maybe sync my iPhone to iTunes once a week, if that. The major reasons are 1) to refresh/update my music library, 2) any OS updates/upgrades, and 3) backup my apps. I would suspect the majority of people sync for those 3 reasons. It could also be that a lot of iPhone users just don't see the value in upgrading the OS on their iPhone.

As for the iPod Touch $10 OS upgrade fee, I think it makes perfect sense. Do you not have to pay for new Mac OS X upgrades? Sure, the 10.X.X updates are free (as are iPod OS updates), but to actually acquire 10.X, you have to pay. Yet a lot of you think that the iPod Touch 3.0 upgrade should be free. Why? Because the iPhone OS upgrade comes free? I know some have a hard time with this, but the iPhone and iPod Touch are different products. Personally, I view the free OS upgrade for my iPhone as a perk for (willingly) paying more to own the iPhone, for one; and two, paying $100 per month as part of a cellular subscription. And people are seriously complaining about having to shell out $10. The same people who I'm sure gladly dish out $.99+ for apps or games and have filled multiple pages on their device. Please.

Coming from the guy whose posts are seemingly put together by a random word generator...

You know, I haven't used it that much since updating but it did seem slower on Safari. What's up with that?

Pleez half the people who've bought iPhones probably don't even know it's a smart phone. How many people buy MAcBook Pros and only use it for the internet? These devices for many are status symbols.

$10 to upgrade an iPod? No thanks. It works fine the way it is now.

What's worst is that they spend their money on these apps and only use them a few times. The new OS rev would benefit them everyday.

These are probably the same people that want a free OS update.


Dave

Thank you for quoting my post (in which you include the word "point") while obviously not reading it!!

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I clearly differentiated between - and discussed - point and version upgrades and their relationship to the topic at hand (and, yes Tiger did pick up a new small trick or two, if no biggies, in its course of point cycles).

Just how excatlly, besides bluetooth , is it a 'fantastic upgrade"? Have tests been conducted comparing with and without on a Touch?

Most people would only know about it through an iTunes sync, which in 2 weeks is not necessarily going to of occurred. My dad sync his Touch maybe once every quarter.

Most iPhone and Touch users don't follow Apple blogs, watch Apple keynotes or pay attention to Apple's website and they don't know OS 3.0 even exists! Several of my friends use iPod Touches, but didn't know about the update until I mentioned it.

Adoption rates will increase when:
a) Apple begins marketing OS3.0. When users see it on TV or it shows up in iTunes, then they'll know about 3.0.
b) apps/ games start using 3.0 features in significant ways, maybe even being not available for 2.2.1.

My god, what DO they do????

Someone on a budget might decide to save their money while others might use $10 bilsl to light their cigars and the price of the upgrade is meaningless to them...

There is no accounting principle or law anywhere which says that you must charge any price for any goods or service you sell. I can't prove a negative so it's up to an opponent to show me this.

However a company DOES have a mandate to act in its shareholders interests - and logically that means stinging customers where it can. You've seen enough complaining on the matter with iTouch users. Imagine the howls of approval in trying to make an iPhone user - who is already paying for something on a monthly basis - stump up another ten bucks. It isn't going to happen.

You do know what a troll is don't you? A troll is someone who trolls for comments like a fisherman trolls for fish with a net. Trolling involves putting a comment out there that draws the most attention and gets the most replies, like "The PS3 has no games."

"I love how TROLLS justify their stealing!" I don't really see trolls talk about stealing more than others. You should have just said thieves.

Now, look at your response, look how worked up you got, and how angry you come off. This is exactly what he wanted. Calling someone a troll in a reply to them doesn't mean anything to them. You've replied. You've done exactly what they wanted. The fact that you got all worked up and bent out of shape is just icing on the cake lol

6.5 will be for some, but I have no idea about 7. I think with 7 Microsoft is actually implementing a set of rules a device must adhere to before being able to run it. One of those specs is at least a 480x800 resolution. Another one is a designated start menu button lol.

6.5 on the other hand should be a free upgrade to most people who've bought their phone recently (past 1-2 years or so.) I've read many places that Sprint will offer a free 6.5 upgrade to Touch Pro users.

LOL! This is the mentality of a lot of these people that haven't upgraded yet. If it aint broke, don't fix it. Common sense.

A few of my friends with the touch asked me if I upgraded yet. They didn't want to fork out the $10 until they saw what the hoopla was about. I think we agreed, $10 for cut-and-paste... didn't Apple say cut-and-paste was a low priority?

Microsoft has updated the firmware on the Zune twice to ver 3.0...I upgraded my 30gb 1st gen both times...and there was no charge. Why was the a $10 charge twice to upgrade the frimware on my 1st gen 32gb touch?

Maybe not, but judging from many of the responses on this thread even if the sampling is small, the $10 is an issue.

Simply because Apple know they have a captive audience.

This guy-- Maxman-- is clearly a moron-- or an accountant-- but let's face it when it comes to business this is usually the same thing. You can tell by the condescending attitude. Hate to break it to you but accounting isn't that difficult, it's just REALLY boring. So we get it, trust us.

Keep in mind SarbOx is a law, that while unquestionably flawed, was created to protect us from unethical and incompetent accountants. They couldn't help the company be profitable so they manipulated the numbers.

The only thing he's right about is that this isn't a money grab on apple's part, because it's really a branding issue. I'll get to that in a minute.

Apple does NOT have to charge for this update. They are choosing to because their accountants and legal people are recommending that they do from a liability perspective. Because they are a big company and have deep pockets, they don't want to take any chances that they could get fined. So they are limiting risk.

Apple could easily charge 99 cents for this and that would mitigate any risk they have. The $9.95 doesn't protect them any more than a 99 cent charge would. But they aren't charging $9.95 to make money on the update, they are doing to increase the value of their software.

What's the difference between the Zune and Ipod? Most people would say user interface i.e. software. This "interpretation" of the law allows Apple the opportunity to maximize the perceived value of their biggest differentiators, the software. A 99 cent charge would be a foolish thing to do. You don't give away "things" people value very often if you want to keep the value of that "thing" maximized. It's basic business and is core to their specific business model. Apple provides premium products priced "appropriately" for their worth. That's the model and they are forced in this case to charge a decent price for the update if they are going to be true to their brand.

It kind of sucks-- I have a touch and an Iphone-- but if we're honest, it's what most of us are buying from Apple, that brand. We want to be amazed at Apple's next product, next software innovation. But those things cost money to develop and if we want Apple to continue to change the game, we have to be willing to pay the price. If they give this away it will start to chip away at their very healthy profit margins. They owe it to their shareholders to not undersell their brand.

Now on the merits of this upgrade, I have it on my Touch and I see no discernible benefit but on the IPhone it's significant, so until there is a must-have 3.0 only app, the Touch upgrades will significantly lag behind the Iphone. Some will be because of the cost but most will be because the user doesn't see the value.

But people that complain about this aren't whiners or idiots. It's a viable position and there's plenty of evidence-- which others have posted about-- which supports their position. It isn't as cut and dried as Maxman would have you believe. So save the attitude buddy and go back to bean counting....

If that is the case, then why is Apple charging for this update in the rest of the world, since US law doesn't apply there

what they forgot is unofficial download. it means free. there are already tons of torrent files for 3.0 software around the internet. so if we acount that number, total percentage will be way more than what graphic chart shows.

LOL so true! I wasn't as worked up as the post may suggest and I did realize during the writing that I was heading into troll territory myself.

I just want to call out this idiot. that's all.


"peace and love, peace and love!"

"I noticed that my iPod seems slower, mainly because transitions from one screen to another are choppier"

Restore it.

Our v1 Touch had the battery METER running down within an hour and the battery minder coming up constantly. The battery was fine. Just needed a reset.

Our v2 suffered similar symptoms to yours. A restore fixed it.

There are a lot of people on Apple's boards that are lucky they can spell iPod. They probably never thought there may be a reason why the Restore button exists (in iTunes) in the first place.

Because they haven't synced their phone with their computer for months....

I know lots of people like that,

Perhaps people aren't upgrading the touch to 3.0 because they upgraded to an iPhone....my wife did, and I know others that have also

Why do some of these posters keep mentioning how 3.0 has unlocked bluetooth on their iPod touch? Someone even commented that the bluetooth on his iPod touch wasn't staying connected.

You guys do realize that the iPod touch doesn't have a bluetooth transmittor in it, right?

Software can't add a feature that isn't present in the hardware. Are you guys too young to know how this works or just unfamiliar with the concept of hardware limitations?

Try: Settings > General > Bluetooth

Perhaps because people are having problems updating? I've tried for days to get my iPod Touch v1 to update to V3.

I downloaded the new 8.2 iTunes, went through the purchase process, it started to download 3.0 and then started to install. unfortunately, It gets stuck at "Preparing iPod for update", and the iPod displays the "connect to iTunes" image. After a few minutes, iTunes times out with an "unable to update" error message, erro code 1602 or 1604. Afterwards, iTunes will not recognize it even being plugged in, and I have to restore it to version 2.2 using an old version of iTunes on a different computer.

I've tried 3 computers, different USB ports, different user accounts, different Windows XP and Vista installations, etc. Nothing seems to work, and Apple has been worthless.

Is anyone else having similar issues with the 3.0 upgrade on iPod Touch??