Motorla in Crisis = No G5
I am not an insider. This is not confirmed.
With much amusement, I've read the various 'confirmed' iMac and Power Mac predictions/reports. There's a very simple reason why there won't be a G5 this month or next month or anytime soon.
Simply, when a company is in crisis and there is talk of layoffs, the employees most likely to be cut simply aren't working. They're more worried about their future and their families.
The people making the PowerPC are simply too worried about the future and are probably more preoccupied by sending CVs and talking to head-hunters than they are about a project that might not even be around in a month.
Just a thought.
na
With much amusement, I've read the various 'confirmed' iMac and Power Mac predictions/reports. There's a very simple reason why there won't be a G5 this month or next month or anytime soon.
Simply, when a company is in crisis and there is talk of layoffs, the employees most likely to be cut simply aren't working. They're more worried about their future and their families.
The people making the PowerPC are simply too worried about the future and are probably more preoccupied by sending CVs and talking to head-hunters than they are about a project that might not even be around in a month.
Just a thought.
na
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<strong>If they wanted to keep their jobs they would be very concerned with the G5. Otherwise they will get fired. During bad times only the best keep their jobs. The best don't worry about whether they will keep their jobs becasue they know they are the best.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, the best, if they are smart, are usually the first to recognize a bad situation and high-tail it out of Dodge. That is, if it really is dire, then they're already gone.
Of course, with Motorola having laid off half the population of Texas in the last year, there can't be too many left, could there?
<strong>Another consideration is that Motorola makes nearly 200 different kinds of microprocessors (I counted 179 in a supplier catalog). While they have taken a meat-axe to the semiconductor division, we don't really know where all those cuts were. If they were focussed on their older lines, it's possible that G5 development was completely unaffected by the layoffs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
In that vein, if the G5 is even close to as rumoured then it will be the crown jewel of Motorola's performance lineup and they will either want to keep it healthy so it can make them money, or they want to keep it healthy so that they can sell it for a lot of money. If its not close to what is rumoured then it really doesn't matter if they cut it, does it?
<strong>If they wanted to keep their jobs they would be very concerned with the G5. Otherwise they will get fired. During bad times only the best keep their jobs. The best don't worry about whether they will keep their jobs becasue they know they are the best.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Although this has nothin to do with Motorola, your statement is false.
During bad times, the inexpensive keep their jobs.
Those who are older with more experience tend to get the ax while younger, less expensive replacements move up from lesser jobs. This is not the case with the Top Level executives. But everyone below, it is.
They look for the cheapest way to get the job done.
That means those who are older and have been in the business a while, but are not top level, are cut. And find it very hard to be rehired, because all companies are doing the exact same thing.
Andrew
So if McDonalds was is trouble and had to lay people off, should they stop selling hambugers?
<strong>I am not an insider. This is not confirmed.
Simply, when a company is in crisis and there is talk of layoffs, the employees most likely to be cut simply aren't working. They're more worried about their future and their families.
Just a thought.
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If I were worried about the future of my family I'd rather work even harder to keep my job than do nothing and give Mot a reason to fire me.
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In that vein, if the G5 is even close to as rumoured then it will be the crown jewel of Motorola's performance lineup and they will either want to keep it healthy so it can make them money, or they want to keep it healthy so that they can sell it for a lot of money. If its not close to what is rumoured then it really doesn't matter if they cut it, does it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
yes selling high end chips brings much more money than selling basic chips. Motorola will be a fool to stop a chip that is under developpement for a long time and that is in final developpement.
If there is crisis it will concern the G6.
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Although this has nothin to do with Motorola, your statement is false.
During bad times, the inexpensive keep their jobs.
Those who are older with more experience tend to get the ax while younger, less expensive replacements move up from lesser jobs. This is not the case with the Top Level executives. But everyone below, it is.
They look for the cheapest way to get the job done.
That means those who are older and have been in the business a while, but are not top level, are cut. And find it very hard to be rehired, because all companies are doing the exact same thing.
Andrew</strong><hr></blockquote>
That depends on what you mean by "expensive". That doesn't really mean "high salary". My brother works for a chip company (not MOT, but fairly high profile anyway). He tells me that in the semiconductor industry, what goes first is the Union side of things (read: manufacturing). Then, they go to Human Resources and Marketing. Then, they hit engineers/management. It is not always "last hired first fired" or "you make alotta dough.....umm..buh bye". Often it is the non-productive folks who go. They need good people.
MOT will be OK. They are not in the shape Lucent is or anything....and even THEY may still make it yet. We are talking about companies that were INCREDIBLY run, and tanked anyway, not the likes of a "we have eight different sets of books" Enron.
The problem was/is the Fabs. Then, it seems management lied to Apple about what they could deliver. This =big mistake. If Apple has gotten involved and someone like, say, AMD is helping to fab the chips, we could see better clockspeed numbers very soon.
[ 01-21-2002: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</p>
They've been laying off 10'000s of people worldwide during the last 2 years, and nobody ever uttered concerns for the PPC platform before, why is everyon so upset now? There's as little reason to be upset as there was one or two years ago.
G-News
I have been complaining about the state of the PPC since early 99. We "all" knew the G3 ruled around 97-98 because of smaller process + copper. We knew Intel would move to 0.18 before Motorola/IBM. And some of us even knew the small speed-advantage of the PPC would be lost as soon as Intel moved to better manufacturing techniques.. Imagine when Intel moves to copper? SOI??.. Intel managed to pull of a 1.8-2 Ghz CPU using a freaking non-copper 0.18 process. Even the PIII have scaled to 1.3 Ghz or so on the same process.
I was around here in 99 under a different nick. Too bad all those threads are lost now.
<strong>Large companies do not just up and fail with no warning. Enron is very much the exception in that a lot of the public didn't see it coming and that was their own fault.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How could the public see the collapse of Enron coming when Enron:
1) Persuaded Senator Phil Graham to pass accounting rules favorable to hiding information (his wife worked for Enron).
2) Hid all company losses in Subsidiaries, mostly foreign owned. (this method also allowed them to avoid paying ANY taxes between 1996-2000. They, in fact, recieved something like $235 million in REFUNDS.)
3) Chairman Lay was sending e-mails to his employees telling them how great Enron's condition was the day AFTER Lay sold $200 million in Enron stock.
The whole company was a sham that escaped notice by paying off congress and the executive branch.
The only way it is the publics fault is that the public is not more insistent on getting campaign finance reform. Kenneth Lay should be in jail.
watch out. GE is next.
[ 01-21-2002: Message edited by: wwwork ]</p>
Of them 13 are janitors.
Fab=IBM