This needs an usb port without a card adapter. This needs to access users's files, movies, pictures from usb storage devices and must also write on them. That's one of the main use that people do of their netbooks. And also, it needed an isight from day 1 since people mainly buy netbooks for messaging purposes too.
I agree about the USB port. What is it with Apple and their disdain for IO?
They won't even let developer's use the 30 pin port to create an external hardware USB path.
Not sold on the need for a camera or iSight, although it would be a cool way to have video telecons. Maybe in a future higher end model...
Here's hoping multiple windows can be open simultaneously and referenced in order to move data from an Excel cost worksheet to a Word doc where we would be creating a quote or proposal, as an example.
It would be great if the print engine could also spool out PDF's, like OS X does. That's a very big deal for business users.
I have tried to use Keynote, it's very nice but everyone I must communicate with has PowerPoint. So the file type to share is the .ppt; I don't like it anymore than anyone else here but that's just the way it is. I've exported from Keynote to PowerPoint but it almost always gets hosed in some fashion or form. It doesn't "just work." Rather than hamstringing iPad early on, why not just support Excel, Word & PowerPoint? It wouldn't need to be full gesture support, just use the keypad or keyboard for composition, and a finger as a mouse/pointing device. Make it easy on the business customer.
There are a lot of hurdles and questions that still have to be rung out. It looks to me to be a nifty, good looking device that's cleverly crafted to be able to dig into people's wallets, specifically targeting them for media sales.
Well, if it wants to expand outside of Mac-centric 5% of the world wide IT market, iPad does need to flirt - and shamelessly! - with Windows environment.
Think of it. iPod would be nowhere near to current domination without fully functional (albeit crappy) iTunes for Windows. Likewise iPhone - of 8 individuals I know owning iPhone, all of them are syncing it with Outlook, half of them with Exchange (meaning they are using iPhone as their work phone). Without Windows connection, I doubt any of them would have iPhone - me and my wife included.
You're right and it does. Keynote opens, edits, presents and saves PPT files. How you get them there is unclear (email of course but other direct means too I hope). All the current Windows iTunes implementations will just as happily enable the iPad.
As for share, Apple no longer thinks about Mac mkt share as a benchmark (which is creeping towards 10% in US units and vastly more in $ value) or a limitation but about total segment share - iPod 70%, iPhone 20%, iPad ??% of ?? - tablet market (it will have >50% immediately) or what other segment? Apple will never be satisfied with 5% of anything again it seems and are fixing that every quarter with the Mac.
I agree about the USB port. What is it with Apple and their disdain for IO?
They won't even let developer's use the 30 pin port to create an external hardware USB path.
Not sold on the need for a camera or iSight, although it would be a cool way to have video telecons. Maybe in a future higher end model...
Here's hoping multiple windows can be open simultaneously and referenced in order to move data from an Excel cost worksheet to a Word doc where we would be creating a quote or proposal, as an example.
It would be great if the print engine could also spool out PDF's, like OS X does. That's a very big deal for business users.
I have tried to use Keynote, it's very nice but everyone I must communicate with has PowerPoint. So the file type to share is the .ppt; I don't like it anymore than anyone else here but that's just the way it is. I've exported from Keynote to PowerPoint but it almost always gets hosed in some fashion or form. It doesn't "just work." Rather than hamstringing iPad early on, why not just support Excel, Word & PowerPoint? It wouldn't need to be full gesture support, just use the keypad or keyboard for composition, and a finger as a mouse/pointing device. Make it easy on the business customer.
There are a lot of hurdles and questions that still have to be rung out. It looks to me to be a nifty, good looking device that's cleverly crafted to be able to dig into people's wallets, specifically targeting them for media sales.
USB is far less relevant for an iPad since everything syncs through iTunes on a PC/Mac. Netbooks sync to nothing unless you have deployed some cloud solution (tiny minority of the market) . For those remaining who need the away from PC/Mac sync there is an adapter. That is a much smaller segment.
Few people are going to create on the ipad from scratch (where most of the hosing comes from when you do something without a parallel in PPT). Most will get a PPT from someone/work and need to make a minor edit before presenting or tweak some text/add some notes at home the night before submission etc. which rarely hoses the export (in my experience). Keynote will be fine for all those corporate uses. Plus you can do simple home/hobby/charity/church projects on it that don't need to become PPTs in the future.
I have tried to use Keynote, it's very nice but everyone I must communicate with has PowerPoint. So the file type to share is the .ppt; I don't like it anymore than anyone else here but that's just the way it is. I've exported from Keynote to PowerPoint but it almost always gets hosed in some fashion or form. It doesn't "just work." Rather than hamstringing iPad early on, why not just support Excel, Word & PowerPoint? It wouldn't need to be full gesture support, just use the keypad or keyboard for composition, and a finger as a mouse/pointing device. Make it easy on the business customer.
To "just support" Office applications, iWork would have to become feature compliant with Office applications, which means crippling Keynote so it's compatible with the weaker PowerPoint, and changing the way Pages works to make it more similar to Word. It's not just about file formats, not hardly. I say no to all of that. I want an actual alternative that's better, not a clone of something crappy.
Of course if Microsoft wanted to create iPad versions of Word and PowerPoint, I don't see anything stopping them, except perhaps pride and ability.
USB is far less relevant for an iPad since everything syncs through iTunes on a PC/Mac. Netbooks sync to nothing unless you have deployed some cloud solution (tiny minority of the market) . For those remaining who need the away from PC/Mac sync there is an adapter. That is a much smaller segment.
The discussion wasn't about syncing, it was about external volumes. It would be nice to be able to plug a USB thumb drive in and capture a file. I don't want an iPad if I always must rely on iTunes on another computer, that really dumbs down the device.
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Few people are going to create on the ipad from scratch (where most of the hosing comes from when you do something without a parallel in PPT). Most will get a PPT from someone/work and need to make a minor edit before presenting or tweak some text/add some notes at home the night before submission etc. which rarely hoses the export (in my experience). Keynote will be fine for all those corporate uses. Plus you can do simple home/hobby/charity/church projects on it that don't need to become PPTs in the future.
This doesn't make sense to me. Why then was Schiller's presentation really focused on Keynote file creation? The whole whiz-bang gesture invention is specifically targeted for creation on iPad.
I grew so frustrated trying to share Keynote presentations (as PowerPoint files) with the corporate Windows world, I just gave up. It doesn't really work very well - unless - you keep each Keynote slide totally barebones, no transitions, no special effects, plain background, and only use standard fonts and colors. Then it will export, although even then it sometimes gets a bit skewed. It's usable under these conditions, however.
I'd rather see this thing with both hands free, as it were, rather than being introduced with one hand already tied behind it's little 9.7" back :-)
Don't forget the last time Apple did an iPhone update and a certain poster here claimed Apple added it because they complained about it... on AppleInsider forums nonetheless.
PS: Nice call on the iPad's keyboard and dock.
That guy makes a unique post per thread, but it only make partial sense. He also posts the same image link to an emoticon. He's not advertising nor does he engage in conversation. He doesn't even seem to have an agenda of disinformation like MactTripper, Teckstud and Extrememskater. It's quite unusual.
If you want "disinformation" I can gather some of our quotes form the last few weeks and show how out of touch you were about this entire product. Remember no way this was going to run the iPhone OS?. Remember going to have this great new UI? Thats two of a hundred ways you were wrong. Which is rather common. However not quite as bad as your buddy Quadra who has shifted from Slate computing is going to take over notebooks to now simply being happy to have something that competes with the Kindle.
Well, if it wants to expand outside of Mac-centric 5% of the world wide IT market, iPad does need to flirt - and shamelessly! - with Windows environment.
Think of it. iPod would be nowhere near to current domination without fully functional (albeit crappy) iTunes for Windows. Likewise iPhone - of 8 individuals I know owning iPhone, all of them are syncing it with Outlook, half of them with Exchange (meaning they are using iPhone as their work phone). Without Windows connection, I doubt any of them would have iPhone - me and my wife included.
Do you really think that Microsoft technologies will be with us forever? Because, if it is not, then the argument that Microsoft technologies should be kept as standard because it is currently predominant is not only a backward view of technological development, it is also dangerous.
Where would Google be, if we mandated that the one predominant MS/Yahoo(???) search engines were taken simply as standards?
Technologies evolve, those competing must be allowed to co-exists and battle it out. Sometimes, it is not even the best technology that wins. There are other contributing factors that may have contributed.
Whatever the basis of the iPod popularity, it cannot be denied (even by Gates or Ballmer during interviews) that currently the iPod/iTunes ecosystem has about 70% of the digital music market, and the predominant hardware beating the Microsoft's Zune. The argument that its success rested on Windows is a false argument. The same can be said of Microsoft. Where will Microsoft be if IBM has not given it a break, and Bill Gates was not savvy enough to understand the significance of its intellectual property? Where would Google be if Yahoo had not given it a break as its default search engine?
A technology company that ignores the prevailing technologies and are too far advanced from what is acceptable may likely not make it. At the same time, a company that does not go beyond current standards may be swept to oblivion, if the standards are toppled.
No one can deny that the iPhone has changed the dynamics of the smartphone and the Apps business -- everyone tried to copy them in an attempt to catch up.
Bill Gates has talked about tablet mobile computers since the early years of this century, and even produced demos, abd actually had some early very costly versions on the market? [Of course there was Newton(?) before that.]
How come that it required an Apple iPad -- in spite of all its perceived imperfections -- to re-energize the Tablet technology? Didn't Ballmer not made the first demo and all those PC tablets during the early part of this year? Was it all really the mystic of Steve Jobs that they have to await the Apple version?
Whether Apple is 5% or whatever you want to base your stats from, it cannot be denied that it has come out with innovations that captured significant number of people, changed technologies or how an industry is evolving (iPod and music industry, iPhone and those that tried to emulate it in smartphone, Apple Store and retailing).
In business, and especially technology centric business it may not always be the domination (market share) that will dictate your profitability or survival. However, you view Apple, it cannot be denied that it is only among the few technology companies that remained profitable in the worst recession during the past 30 years.
What you deride as 5% of world market share still can boast a cash reserve of almost $40Billion with no debt. Can you say that of Microsoft, HP, Dell, Lenovo, or any other technology company?
Derisions, such as terms like "fanboy", are the last resort and argument of people who cannot summon more logical rebuttals.
And those who use such labels seem to suggest that only they can be right, and all those hundred millions of iTunes clients, more than 70 million iPhone/iPod users must be fools and could not think for themselves.
Such flawed arguments are the epitomy of arrogance, if not more revealing of other personal flaws,
It is very revealing of a person's character when (s)he thinks that his view must be right and everyone else who has a different view must be wrong or misguided.
The discussion wasn't about syncing, it was about external volumes. It would be nice to be able to plug a USB thumb drive in and capture a file. I don't want an iPad if I always must rely on iTunes on another computer, that really dumbs down the device.
This doesn't make sense to me. Why then was Schiller's presentation really focused on Keynote file creation? The whole whiz-bang gesture invention is specifically targeted for creation on iPad.
I grew so frustrated trying to share Keynote presentations (as PowerPoint files) with the corporate Windows world, I just gave up. It doesn't really work very well - unless - you keep each Keynote slide totally barebones, no transitions, no special effects, plain background, and only use standard fonts and colors. Then it will export, although even then it sometimes gets a bit skewed. It's usable under these conditions, however.
I'd rather see this thing with both hands free, as it were, rather than being introduced with one hand already tied behind it's little 9.7" back :-)
USB - it would be nice but because of iTunes syncing it is not very commonly needed unlike on a netbook. You are an advanced user so you would stretch the iPad - the millions of basic users will not and will get all content through iTunes. The feature set is made for them not you or me.
Keynote/PPT - You are right which is why I gave my examples. Keynote creation is fine in a keynote only world (many smaller/home environments) but are you seriously going to create a full corporate PPT presentation on an iPad unless you really have to (super rare). We have to use standard corporate templates anyway which work fine under Keynote.
Perhaps you should watch the presentation that shows off a very distinct UI than the iPhone and read the articles detailing printing and networked folder access. I stated it would be based on the iPhone's OS but be idealized for the device. I also predicted it would run iPhone apps out of the box and be an accessory device for your PC, not a replacement. Didn't you say it run out of the box Mac OS X?
The only part I got wrong about the OS was the name and the Home Screen setup. I hope that the jailbreak community makes a nice side-edge unlock and app selection, but that is for a different conversation. Perhaps most telling is that unlike the trollish posters I don't go around posting absolutes willy nilly.
PS: My response to you is an attempt to get you to spend your Friday evening perusing my posting history in an attempt to prove me wrong.
Brushes is nice if you're a graphic designer or an artist. But architects, engineers and drafting based professions need precise line work, which would require an App i've never seen or a stylus based app that is yet to be created. WE work with pens and paper. much more technically based drawing than brushes does.
As for import/exporting and printing documents into iWork, i'm not sure how that works. it must be some kind of "Finder" app that i have yet to see. Unless you mean through email or something? But how anoying that would be in an office setting if you had to email your iPad documents to upload to iWork. I guess i'll just have to read up on it. I'm just going off what i saw in the Keynote. And i wasn't specifically talking about printing from iWork. i didn't see a print button/icon in the Safari App. either.
No need for names (i.e. "Braindead"). Your opinion looses its relivence when you call people names.
Wait till you see the new Brushes.
For cripes sake watch the videos, read the features, iWork works. It has been designed to import Work and Microsoft Office directly. As you said, "I guess i'll just have to read up on it." Please. And hurry.
Microsoft Office inside is what is needed. Compatible with Mac, of course. And starting with PowerPoint for presentations. The standard is PowerPoint, not Keynote, even being the latter much better and intuitive that the former. Those are the real facts!
Keynote is often more "compatible" with Powerpoint than Powerpoint is: it can take Powerpoint documents, edit them more easily and with fewer bugs than Powerpoint, and export them as Powerpoint. If you have a Powerpoint presentation, use Keynote to present it. The presentation interface is going to be different than a laptop regardless.
Similarly, I have Word and Pages and I always use Pages for editing Word documents, and then save as .doc for collaboration. I've never had a problem with compatibility.
... How would you hold it in the cup of your hand without obscuring the screen if the bezel was any smaller?
Watch the presentation video. The bezel is much wider than it needs to be.
Let's settle this once and for all.
Gee, whatta you know? iGenius is right, and all that crap about "needing" the bezel for your thumbs is just lame justification by people dazzled by teh shiny.
The bezel is there because all that fancy sensing technology in the Apple patents we all read about didn't make it into the iPad.
In fact no new sensing tech made it into the iPad. Nothing. Nada. It's multitouch exactly the same as an iPod touch. It's a bigger iPod touch with an emphasis on eBooks.
I am getting used to it and will likely buy one or two, but let's get real.
It's not a "revolutionary" device.
It does nothing different from the iPod and iPhone.
It's just bigger.
The huge bezel is there because on average consumers are clumsy fools and can't be expected to always hold the pad in a way where they aren't touching the screen. In other words it's a dumbed down solution for the average idiot because none of the fancy technology was ready for prime time yet.
Because it's bigger it actually has *less* functionality than an iPod or iPhone in that you cannot thumb type on it.
Therefore one of the biggest drawbacks of tablets, (that has always plagued the category in general), still exists on the iPad. You can't use it standing up unless you poke at it with one finger. You therefore can't type on it or do any data entry of any use, standing up. In fact, you can't type on it effectively at all, unless you lie it on a table, or have a couch or bed handy. It will be difficult to type on it on the train, or on the bus. It won't work very well on your lap while the bus is moving. It wasn't coincidence that Jobs demonstrated it's use from a couch with the device resting on his legs that were propped up. That's the only way it really works.
I wrote a thousand word article on my iPhone just a couple of days ago while standing up on the train on the way home. I won't be able to do that with an iPad, even though it's bigger and has better software. Someone thumb typing in portrait mode on an iPhone will certainly get a much faster typing speed than someone using an iPad. The iPad is almost certainly a step down in terms of data entry. If the thing had a smaller bezel, or was smaller in size, or came in multiple different sizes, this wouldn't' be the case.
IMO this is a colossal design flaw and a big mistake from Apple. Apple *does* make mistakes you know.
Speaking of such media, my iTunes library won't fit on a 64GB device so I'd have to muck around with playlists, a time consuming activity I hate. That explains why I have no music at all on my iPod touch. It's reserved for apps, podcasts and photos. I have an old iPod shuffle I can quickly load with a random bunch songs if I need music on the go.
You can also fill your iPod Touch with random music from your Library.
I wrote a thousand word article on my iPhone just a couple of days ago while standing up on the train on the way home. I won't be able to do that with an iPad, even though it's bigger and has better software. Someone thumb typing in portrait mode on an iPhone will certainly get a much faster typing speed than someone using an iPad. The iPad is almost certainly a step down in terms of data entry. If the thing had a smaller bezel, or was smaller in size, or came in multiple different sizes, this wouldn't' be the case.
Instead of typing, just dictate your article with Dragon voice recognition. That'll work just fine.
Gee, whatta you know? iGenius is right, and all that crap about "needing" the bezel for your thumbs is just lame justification by people dazzled by teh shiny.
The bezel is there because all that fancy sensing technology in the Apple patents we all read about didn't make it into the iPad.
In fact no new sensing tech made it into the iPad. Nothing. Nada. It's multitouch exactly the same as an iPod touch. It's a bigger iPod touch with an emphasis on eBooks.
I am getting used to it and will likely buy one or two, but let's get real.
It's not a "revolutionary" device.
It does nothing different from the iPod and iPhone.
It's just bigger.
The huge bezel is there because on average consumers are clumsy fools and can't be expected to always hold the pad in a way where they aren't touching the screen. In other words it's a dumbed down solution for the average idiot because none of the fancy technology was ready for prime time yet.
Because it's bigger it actually has *less* functionality than an iPod or iPhone in that you cannot thumb type on it.
Therefore one of the biggest drawbacks of tablets, (that has always plagued the category in general), still exists on the iPad. You can't use it standing up unless you poke at it with one finger. You therefore can't type on it or do any data entry of any use, standing up. In fact, you can't type on it effectively at all, unless you lie it on a table, or have a couch or bed handy. It will be difficult to type on it on the train, or on the bus. It won't work very well on your lap while the bus is moving. It wasn't coincidence that Jobs demonstrated it's use from a couch with the device resting on his legs that were propped up. That's the only way it really works.
I wrote a thousand word article on my iPhone just a couple of days ago while standing up on the train on the way home. I won't be able to do that with an iPad, even though it's bigger and has better software. Someone thumb typing in portrait mode on an iPhone will certainly get a much faster typing speed than someone using an iPad. The iPad is almost certainly a step down in terms of data entry. If the thing had a smaller bezel, or was smaller in size, or came in multiple different sizes, this wouldn't' be the case.
IMO this is a colossal design flaw and a big mistake from Apple. Apple *does* make mistakes you know.
Really. So the iPod Touch and iPhone run iWorks? They have pop over windows that replace pull down menus and put a great deal more information and options at your fingertips? Split screen apps that look like a hybrid between desktop OS X and the iPhone OS? And the promise of a slew of desktop class apps that use all that nice, big touch UI to give you brand new ways of interacting with your data?
Bigger is, literally, materially different. Just like the iPhone, the iPad's screen is pretty much the device, and four times the screen real estate translates into a completely different experience.
Going on about lacking amazing new technologies just misses the point. It really does. A 10" screen is a different category of device. And, if you can believe some of the things around the web, it's the device Apple really wanted to build all along, and the iPhone was just what they could manage at the time. It's probably closer to the truth to consider the iPhone a "small iPad" that just happened to get released first.
I find it a little depressing that people that are ostensibly technology enthusiasts are having such a hard time grasping this simple point.
I find it a little depressing that people that are ostensibly technology enthusiasts are having such a hard time grasping this simple point.
It's funny how people can't understand that simply bigger is in fact much more usable but "Grasping the point" or the Ipad seems to be the problem.
Why do people expect this tablet to do truly magical things? In Gazoobees case, you have to be able to type with both hands, while standing up and simultaneously holding the device? First of all, what device can do this? Are we missing something? Unless it hovers I can't imagine how that would work and "back-typing" will definitely take time to implement even if people seem ready to learn another input method and we are not in my opinion, but certainly not customers who want a $500 device that works without a thought.
The bezel is not such a big deal. If newer sensing technology makes an ipad without a bezel possible and cheap enough to go into a $500 device then we'll see it, but for now the current Ipad will do just fine.
There's something else I'd like to tackle as well.
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They won't even let developer's use the 30 pin port to create an external hardware USB path.
To those who think 3rd party devices will never connect to the ipad/ ipods or Iphones; there are already credit card scanners (which I use personally), medical devices (MRI scan readers and devices for diabetics), NASA has a gas detector application and hardware and 3rd party calibration microphones for audio engineers. That's only what I know of. Further, according to information given to me on this forum, USB external hardware is supported into the new DEV KIT.
The point is... how complicated does Apple's Ipad have to be? 1) Apple wants to leave extensible features to be written by developers (great for devs) and 2) External devices will extend the feature set while still maintaing simplicity in design of the core device. Sounds like a great plan to me. Make a great device and OS, let developers make great software for it and let manufacturers make great devices that plug into it.
People want to get information into the Ipad/ IPT/ IP? Things are just getting started it my opinion.
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This needs an usb port without a card adapter. This needs to access users's files, movies, pictures from usb storage devices and must also write on them. That's one of the main use that people do of their netbooks. And also, it needed an isight from day 1 since people mainly buy netbooks for messaging purposes too.
I agree about the USB port. What is it with Apple and their disdain for IO?
They won't even let developer's use the 30 pin port to create an external hardware USB path.
Not sold on the need for a camera or iSight, although it would be a cool way to have video telecons. Maybe in a future higher end model...
Here's hoping multiple windows can be open simultaneously and referenced in order to move data from an Excel cost worksheet to a Word doc where we would be creating a quote or proposal, as an example.
It would be great if the print engine could also spool out PDF's, like OS X does. That's a very big deal for business users.
I have tried to use Keynote, it's very nice but everyone I must communicate with has PowerPoint. So the file type to share is the .ppt; I don't like it anymore than anyone else here but that's just the way it is. I've exported from Keynote to PowerPoint but it almost always gets hosed in some fashion or form. It doesn't "just work." Rather than hamstringing iPad early on, why not just support Excel, Word & PowerPoint? It wouldn't need to be full gesture support, just use the keypad or keyboard for composition, and a finger as a mouse/pointing device. Make it easy on the business customer.
There are a lot of hurdles and questions that still have to be rung out. It looks to me to be a nifty, good looking device that's cleverly crafted to be able to dig into people's wallets, specifically targeting them for media sales.
Well, if it wants to expand outside of Mac-centric 5% of the world wide IT market, iPad does need to flirt - and shamelessly! - with Windows environment.
Think of it. iPod would be nowhere near to current domination without fully functional (albeit crappy) iTunes for Windows. Likewise iPhone - of 8 individuals I know owning iPhone, all of them are syncing it with Outlook, half of them with Exchange (meaning they are using iPhone as their work phone). Without Windows connection, I doubt any of them would have iPhone - me and my wife included.
You're right and it does. Keynote opens, edits, presents and saves PPT files. How you get them there is unclear (email of course but other direct means too I hope). All the current Windows iTunes implementations will just as happily enable the iPad.
As for share, Apple no longer thinks about Mac mkt share as a benchmark (which is creeping towards 10% in US units and vastly more in $ value) or a limitation but about total segment share - iPod 70%, iPhone 20%, iPad ??% of ?? - tablet market (it will have >50% immediately) or what other segment? Apple will never be satisfied with 5% of anything again it seems and are fixing that every quarter with the Mac.
They won't even let developer's use the 30 pin port to create an external hardware USB path.
Really now? I recall that resolving that issue a year ago with the iPhone OS 3.0 SDK.
I agree about the USB port. What is it with Apple and their disdain for IO?
They won't even let developer's use the 30 pin port to create an external hardware USB path.
Not sold on the need for a camera or iSight, although it would be a cool way to have video telecons. Maybe in a future higher end model...
Here's hoping multiple windows can be open simultaneously and referenced in order to move data from an Excel cost worksheet to a Word doc where we would be creating a quote or proposal, as an example.
It would be great if the print engine could also spool out PDF's, like OS X does. That's a very big deal for business users.
I have tried to use Keynote, it's very nice but everyone I must communicate with has PowerPoint. So the file type to share is the .ppt; I don't like it anymore than anyone else here but that's just the way it is. I've exported from Keynote to PowerPoint but it almost always gets hosed in some fashion or form. It doesn't "just work." Rather than hamstringing iPad early on, why not just support Excel, Word & PowerPoint? It wouldn't need to be full gesture support, just use the keypad or keyboard for composition, and a finger as a mouse/pointing device. Make it easy on the business customer.
There are a lot of hurdles and questions that still have to be rung out. It looks to me to be a nifty, good looking device that's cleverly crafted to be able to dig into people's wallets, specifically targeting them for media sales.
USB is far less relevant for an iPad since everything syncs through iTunes on a PC/Mac. Netbooks sync to nothing unless you have deployed some cloud solution (tiny minority of the market) . For those remaining who need the away from PC/Mac sync there is an adapter. That is a much smaller segment.
Few people are going to create on the ipad from scratch (where most of the hosing comes from when you do something without a parallel in PPT). Most will get a PPT from someone/work and need to make a minor edit before presenting or tweak some text/add some notes at home the night before submission etc. which rarely hoses the export (in my experience). Keynote will be fine for all those corporate uses. Plus you can do simple home/hobby/charity/church projects on it that don't need to become PPTs in the future.
Really now? I recall that resolving that issue a year ago with the iPhone OS 3.0 SDK.
Not for hard drives.
I have tried to use Keynote, it's very nice but everyone I must communicate with has PowerPoint. So the file type to share is the .ppt; I don't like it anymore than anyone else here but that's just the way it is. I've exported from Keynote to PowerPoint but it almost always gets hosed in some fashion or form. It doesn't "just work." Rather than hamstringing iPad early on, why not just support Excel, Word & PowerPoint? It wouldn't need to be full gesture support, just use the keypad or keyboard for composition, and a finger as a mouse/pointing device. Make it easy on the business customer.
To "just support" Office applications, iWork would have to become feature compliant with Office applications, which means crippling Keynote so it's compatible with the weaker PowerPoint, and changing the way Pages works to make it more similar to Word. It's not just about file formats, not hardly. I say no to all of that. I want an actual alternative that's better, not a clone of something crappy.
Of course if Microsoft wanted to create iPad versions of Word and PowerPoint, I don't see anything stopping them, except perhaps pride and ability.
Not for hard drives.
I think that is a limitation of locally attached external storage, which appears to be allowed by the iPad's OS.
USB is far less relevant for an iPad since everything syncs through iTunes on a PC/Mac. Netbooks sync to nothing unless you have deployed some cloud solution (tiny minority of the market) . For those remaining who need the away from PC/Mac sync there is an adapter. That is a much smaller segment.
The discussion wasn't about syncing, it was about external volumes. It would be nice to be able to plug a USB thumb drive in and capture a file. I don't want an iPad if I always must rely on iTunes on another computer, that really dumbs down the device.
Few people are going to create on the ipad from scratch (where most of the hosing comes from when you do something without a parallel in PPT). Most will get a PPT from someone/work and need to make a minor edit before presenting or tweak some text/add some notes at home the night before submission etc. which rarely hoses the export (in my experience). Keynote will be fine for all those corporate uses. Plus you can do simple home/hobby/charity/church projects on it that don't need to become PPTs in the future.
This doesn't make sense to me. Why then was Schiller's presentation really focused on Keynote file creation? The whole whiz-bang gesture invention is specifically targeted for creation on iPad.
I grew so frustrated trying to share Keynote presentations (as PowerPoint files) with the corporate Windows world, I just gave up. It doesn't really work very well - unless - you keep each Keynote slide totally barebones, no transitions, no special effects, plain background, and only use standard fonts and colors. Then it will export, although even then it sometimes gets a bit skewed. It's usable under these conditions, however.
I'd rather see this thing with both hands free, as it were, rather than being introduced with one hand already tied behind it's little 9.7" back :-)
Don't forget the last time Apple did an iPhone update and a certain poster here claimed Apple added it because they complained about it... on AppleInsider forums nonetheless.
PS: Nice call on the iPad's keyboard and dock.
That guy makes a unique post per thread, but it only make partial sense. He also posts the same image link to an emoticon. He's not advertising nor does he engage in conversation. He doesn't even seem to have an agenda of disinformation like MactTripper, Teckstud and Extrememskater. It's quite unusual.
If you want "disinformation" I can gather some of our quotes form the last few weeks and show how out of touch you were about this entire product. Remember no way this was going to run the iPhone OS?. Remember going to have this great new UI? Thats two of a hundred ways you were wrong. Which is rather common. However not quite as bad as your buddy Quadra who has shifted from Slate computing is going to take over notebooks to now simply being happy to have something that competes with the Kindle.
By the way did the stock hit 270 yet?
Well, if it wants to expand outside of Mac-centric 5% of the world wide IT market, iPad does need to flirt - and shamelessly! - with Windows environment.
Think of it. iPod would be nowhere near to current domination without fully functional (albeit crappy) iTunes for Windows. Likewise iPhone - of 8 individuals I know owning iPhone, all of them are syncing it with Outlook, half of them with Exchange (meaning they are using iPhone as their work phone). Without Windows connection, I doubt any of them would have iPhone - me and my wife included.
Do you really think that Microsoft technologies will be with us forever? Because, if it is not, then the argument that Microsoft technologies should be kept as standard because it is currently predominant is not only a backward view of technological development, it is also dangerous.
Where would Google be, if we mandated that the one predominant MS/Yahoo(???) search engines were taken simply as standards?
Technologies evolve, those competing must be allowed to co-exists and battle it out. Sometimes, it is not even the best technology that wins. There are other contributing factors that may have contributed.
Whatever the basis of the iPod popularity, it cannot be denied (even by Gates or Ballmer during interviews) that currently the iPod/iTunes ecosystem has about 70% of the digital music market, and the predominant hardware beating the Microsoft's Zune. The argument that its success rested on Windows is a false argument. The same can be said of Microsoft. Where will Microsoft be if IBM has not given it a break, and Bill Gates was not savvy enough to understand the significance of its intellectual property? Where would Google be if Yahoo had not given it a break as its default search engine?
A technology company that ignores the prevailing technologies and are too far advanced from what is acceptable may likely not make it. At the same time, a company that does not go beyond current standards may be swept to oblivion, if the standards are toppled.
No one can deny that the iPhone has changed the dynamics of the smartphone and the Apps business -- everyone tried to copy them in an attempt to catch up.
Bill Gates has talked about tablet mobile computers since the early years of this century, and even produced demos, abd actually had some early very costly versions on the market? [Of course there was Newton(?) before that.]
How come that it required an Apple iPad -- in spite of all its perceived imperfections -- to re-energize the Tablet technology? Didn't Ballmer not made the first demo and all those PC tablets during the early part of this year? Was it all really the mystic of Steve Jobs that they have to await the Apple version?
Whether Apple is 5% or whatever you want to base your stats from, it cannot be denied that it has come out with innovations that captured significant number of people, changed technologies or how an industry is evolving (iPod and music industry, iPhone and those that tried to emulate it in smartphone, Apple Store and retailing).
In business, and especially technology centric business it may not always be the domination (market share) that will dictate your profitability or survival. However, you view Apple, it cannot be denied that it is only among the few technology companies that remained profitable in the worst recession during the past 30 years.
What you deride as 5% of world market share still can boast a cash reserve of almost $40Billion with no debt. Can you say that of Microsoft, HP, Dell, Lenovo, or any other technology company?
Derisions, such as terms like "fanboy", are the last resort and argument of people who cannot summon more logical rebuttals.
And those who use such labels seem to suggest that only they can be right, and all those hundred millions of iTunes clients, more than 70 million iPhone/iPod users must be fools and could not think for themselves.
Such flawed arguments are the epitomy of arrogance, if not more revealing of other personal flaws,
It is very revealing of a person's character when (s)he thinks that his view must be right and everyone else who has a different view must be wrong or misguided.
The discussion wasn't about syncing, it was about external volumes. It would be nice to be able to plug a USB thumb drive in and capture a file. I don't want an iPad if I always must rely on iTunes on another computer, that really dumbs down the device.
This doesn't make sense to me. Why then was Schiller's presentation really focused on Keynote file creation? The whole whiz-bang gesture invention is specifically targeted for creation on iPad.
I grew so frustrated trying to share Keynote presentations (as PowerPoint files) with the corporate Windows world, I just gave up. It doesn't really work very well - unless - you keep each Keynote slide totally barebones, no transitions, no special effects, plain background, and only use standard fonts and colors. Then it will export, although even then it sometimes gets a bit skewed. It's usable under these conditions, however.
I'd rather see this thing with both hands free, as it were, rather than being introduced with one hand already tied behind it's little 9.7" back :-)
USB - it would be nice but because of iTunes syncing it is not very commonly needed unlike on a netbook. You are an advanced user so you would stretch the iPad - the millions of basic users will not and will get all content through iTunes. The feature set is made for them not you or me.
Keynote/PPT - You are right which is why I gave my examples. Keynote creation is fine in a keynote only world (many smaller/home environments) but are you seriously going to create a full corporate PPT presentation on an iPad unless you really have to (super rare). We have to use standard corporate templates anyway which work fine under Keynote.
Remember going to have this great new UI?
Perhaps you should watch the presentation that shows off a very distinct UI than the iPhone and read the articles detailing printing and networked folder access. I stated it would be based on the iPhone's OS but be idealized for the device. I also predicted it would run iPhone apps out of the box and be an accessory device for your PC, not a replacement. Didn't you say it run out of the box Mac OS X?
The only part I got wrong about the OS was the name and the Home Screen setup. I hope that the jailbreak community makes a nice side-edge unlock and app selection, but that is for a different conversation. Perhaps most telling is that unlike the trollish posters I don't go around posting absolutes willy nilly.
PS: My response to you is an attempt to get you to spend your Friday evening perusing my posting history in an attempt to prove me wrong.
Brushes is nice if you're a graphic designer or an artist. But architects, engineers and drafting based professions need precise line work, which would require an App i've never seen or a stylus based app that is yet to be created. WE work with pens and paper. much more technically based drawing than brushes does.
As for import/exporting and printing documents into iWork, i'm not sure how that works. it must be some kind of "Finder" app that i have yet to see. Unless you mean through email or something? But how anoying that would be in an office setting if you had to email your iPad documents to upload to iWork. I guess i'll just have to read up on it. I'm just going off what i saw in the Keynote. And i wasn't specifically talking about printing from iWork. i didn't see a print button/icon in the Safari App. either.
No need for names (i.e. "Braindead"). Your opinion looses its relivence when you call people names.
Wait till you see the new Brushes.
For cripes sake watch the videos, read the features, iWork works. It has been designed to import Work and Microsoft Office directly. As you said, "I guess i'll just have to read up on it." Please. And hurry.
Microsoft Office inside is what is needed. Compatible with Mac, of course. And starting with PowerPoint for presentations. The standard is PowerPoint, not Keynote, even being the latter much better and intuitive that the former. Those are the real facts!
Keynote is often more "compatible" with Powerpoint than Powerpoint is: it can take Powerpoint documents, edit them more easily and with fewer bugs than Powerpoint, and export them as Powerpoint. If you have a Powerpoint presentation, use Keynote to present it. The presentation interface is going to be different than a laptop regardless.
Similarly, I have Word and Pages and I always use Pages for editing Word documents, and then save as .doc for collaboration. I've never had a problem with compatibility.
... How would you hold it in the cup of your hand without obscuring the screen if the bezel was any smaller?
Watch the presentation video. The bezel is much wider than it needs to be.
Let's settle this once and for all.
Gee, whatta you know? iGenius is right, and all that crap about "needing" the bezel for your thumbs is just lame justification by people dazzled by teh shiny.
The bezel is there because all that fancy sensing technology in the Apple patents we all read about didn't make it into the iPad.
In fact no new sensing tech made it into the iPad. Nothing. Nada. It's multitouch exactly the same as an iPod touch. It's a bigger iPod touch with an emphasis on eBooks.
I am getting used to it and will likely buy one or two, but let's get real.
- It's not a "revolutionary" device.
- It does nothing different from the iPod and iPhone.
- It's just bigger.
The huge bezel is there because on average consumers are clumsy fools and can't be expected to always hold the pad in a way where they aren't touching the screen. In other words it's a dumbed down solution for the average idiot because none of the fancy technology was ready for prime time yet.Because it's bigger it actually has *less* functionality than an iPod or iPhone in that you cannot thumb type on it.
Therefore one of the biggest drawbacks of tablets, (that has always plagued the category in general), still exists on the iPad. You can't use it standing up unless you poke at it with one finger. You therefore can't type on it or do any data entry of any use, standing up. In fact, you can't type on it effectively at all, unless you lie it on a table, or have a couch or bed handy. It will be difficult to type on it on the train, or on the bus. It won't work very well on your lap while the bus is moving. It wasn't coincidence that Jobs demonstrated it's use from a couch with the device resting on his legs that were propped up. That's the only way it really works.
I wrote a thousand word article on my iPhone just a couple of days ago while standing up on the train on the way home. I won't be able to do that with an iPad, even though it's bigger and has better software. Someone thumb typing in portrait mode on an iPhone will certainly get a much faster typing speed than someone using an iPad. The iPad is almost certainly a step down in terms of data entry. If the thing had a smaller bezel, or was smaller in size, or came in multiple different sizes, this wouldn't' be the case.
IMO this is a colossal design flaw and a big mistake from Apple. Apple *does* make mistakes you know.
Speaking of such media, my iTunes library won't fit on a 64GB device so I'd have to muck around with playlists, a time consuming activity I hate. That explains why I have no music at all on my iPod touch. It's reserved for apps, podcasts and photos. I have an old iPod shuffle I can quickly load with a random bunch songs if I need music on the go.
You can also fill your iPod Touch with random music from your Library.
I wrote a thousand word article on my iPhone just a couple of days ago while standing up on the train on the way home. I won't be able to do that with an iPad, even though it's bigger and has better software. Someone thumb typing in portrait mode on an iPhone will certainly get a much faster typing speed than someone using an iPad. The iPad is almost certainly a step down in terms of data entry. If the thing had a smaller bezel, or was smaller in size, or came in multiple different sizes, this wouldn't' be the case.
Instead of typing, just dictate your article with Dragon voice recognition. That'll work just fine.
Let's settle this once and for all.
Gee, whatta you know? iGenius is right, and all that crap about "needing" the bezel for your thumbs is just lame justification by people dazzled by teh shiny.
The bezel is there because all that fancy sensing technology in the Apple patents we all read about didn't make it into the iPad.
In fact no new sensing tech made it into the iPad. Nothing. Nada. It's multitouch exactly the same as an iPod touch. It's a bigger iPod touch with an emphasis on eBooks.
I am getting used to it and will likely buy one or two, but let's get real.
- It's not a "revolutionary" device.
- It does nothing different from the iPod and iPhone.
- It's just bigger.
The huge bezel is there because on average consumers are clumsy fools and can't be expected to always hold the pad in a way where they aren't touching the screen. In other words it's a dumbed down solution for the average idiot because none of the fancy technology was ready for prime time yet.Because it's bigger it actually has *less* functionality than an iPod or iPhone in that you cannot thumb type on it.
Therefore one of the biggest drawbacks of tablets, (that has always plagued the category in general), still exists on the iPad. You can't use it standing up unless you poke at it with one finger. You therefore can't type on it or do any data entry of any use, standing up. In fact, you can't type on it effectively at all, unless you lie it on a table, or have a couch or bed handy. It will be difficult to type on it on the train, or on the bus. It won't work very well on your lap while the bus is moving. It wasn't coincidence that Jobs demonstrated it's use from a couch with the device resting on his legs that were propped up. That's the only way it really works.
I wrote a thousand word article on my iPhone just a couple of days ago while standing up on the train on the way home. I won't be able to do that with an iPad, even though it's bigger and has better software. Someone thumb typing in portrait mode on an iPhone will certainly get a much faster typing speed than someone using an iPad. The iPad is almost certainly a step down in terms of data entry. If the thing had a smaller bezel, or was smaller in size, or came in multiple different sizes, this wouldn't' be the case.
IMO this is a colossal design flaw and a big mistake from Apple. Apple *does* make mistakes you know.
Really. So the iPod Touch and iPhone run iWorks? They have pop over windows that replace pull down menus and put a great deal more information and options at your fingertips? Split screen apps that look like a hybrid between desktop OS X and the iPhone OS? And the promise of a slew of desktop class apps that use all that nice, big touch UI to give you brand new ways of interacting with your data?
Bigger is, literally, materially different. Just like the iPhone, the iPad's screen is pretty much the device, and four times the screen real estate translates into a completely different experience.
Going on about lacking amazing new technologies just misses the point. It really does. A 10" screen is a different category of device. And, if you can believe some of the things around the web, it's the device Apple really wanted to build all along, and the iPhone was just what they could manage at the time. It's probably closer to the truth to consider the iPhone a "small iPad" that just happened to get released first.
I find it a little depressing that people that are ostensibly technology enthusiasts are having such a hard time grasping this simple point.
I find it a little depressing that people that are ostensibly technology enthusiasts are having such a hard time grasping this simple point.
It's funny how people can't understand that simply bigger is in fact much more usable but "Grasping the point" or the Ipad seems to be the problem.
Why do people expect this tablet to do truly magical things? In Gazoobees case, you have to be able to type with both hands, while standing up and simultaneously holding the device? First of all, what device can do this? Are we missing something? Unless it hovers I can't imagine how that would work and "back-typing" will definitely take time to implement even if people seem ready to learn another input method and we are not in my opinion, but certainly not customers who want a $500 device that works without a thought.
The bezel is not such a big deal. If newer sensing technology makes an ipad without a bezel possible and cheap enough to go into a $500 device then we'll see it, but for now the current Ipad will do just fine.
There's something else I'd like to tackle as well.
They won't even let developer's use the 30 pin port to create an external hardware USB path.
To those who think 3rd party devices will never connect to the ipad/ ipods or Iphones; there are already credit card scanners (which I use personally), medical devices (MRI scan readers and devices for diabetics), NASA has a gas detector application and hardware and 3rd party calibration microphones for audio engineers. That's only what I know of. Further, according to information given to me on this forum, USB external hardware is supported into the new DEV KIT.
The point is... how complicated does Apple's Ipad have to be? 1) Apple wants to leave extensible features to be written by developers (great for devs) and 2) External devices will extend the feature set while still maintaing simplicity in design of the core device. Sounds like a great plan to me. Make a great device and OS, let developers make great software for it and let manufacturers make great devices that plug into it.
People want to get information into the Ipad/ IPT/ IP? Things are just getting started it my opinion.