In a crowded market filled with phones that look the same and do the same things, I challenged the team to deliver a different kind of mobile experience
Congratulate yourself, Ballmer. For once your fat ass was successful at something.
Too bad MS didn't do "different" in a good way. The new UI could have been code-named "Blonde": beautiful but absolutely scatterbrained.
For the company that gave the world the Start button, where do you start with this thing?
Anyway, keep on swinging MS. Maybe Apple will die of laughter.
[CENTER]As far as your claim that multi-tasking results in suffering 'performance and battery life', I direct to Motorola's DROID, which multi-task any/all installed apps yet still consistently achieves greater battery autonomy than my iPhone 3GS.
The iPhone is undoubtedly a fine device, but some of these 'excuses' for features it's clearly lacking are just that - excuses that can be easily rectified with more proficient hardware/software design/integration. [/CENTER]
Don't lie or I'll school your ass until you beg me to stop again. It would be best for you to stop posting this FUD altogether. You hate the iPhone, we get it, bow move on. Who the he'll is going to believe such silly lies that running many app has no affect on performance or battery.
When I unlock my phone, I already see how many new texts, phone calls, emails, IMs I have simply by being on my home page. There's nothing new here.
You don't get it. With WP7 you don't have to unlock it to see how many new messages you have. You even see the time, date and any appointments on the lock screen. And when you unlock you will see even more like photos, actual status messages and so on.
when I double tap my home button, it takes me to the iPod application.
perhaps you mean slow double tap?
I guess you have to be more specific
Thanks
Kettle
No, your misunderstanding is the result of the fact that you have no idea how to use the hardware. You can customize the home button to complete a number of commands in the settings.
Overall, WINMO7 is a good attempt to get back in the game and maybe there are a few things Apple can consider. I agree with other's that Googles OS isn't looking so shiny any more. The biggest problem I see is that every device that this OS is on will have to be styled after and look "identical" or at least similar to the iphone/ zune "flat Slab'. Not much incentive for manufacturers to make their own devices if it's hard to differentiate your product.
It works for Apple because the OS works on one device. Licensing this OS out seems tricky.
There is no simpler way of accessing search from anywhere in the system than double tapping the home button.
Troll.
But that search button has different functions depending on where you are. If you press it in the mail app you search all mails and so on. On the home screen you get Bing.
Maybe you wanne use your brain next time before calling somebody a troll. Thank you.
No, your misunderstanding is the result of the fact that you have no idea how to use the hardware. You can customize the home button to complete a number of commands in the settings.
The only misunderstanding is from you, Mr Pot 2.0
Yes, you can adjust it in the settings. This ability to adjust makes Mr Pot 1.0's comments extra specially false.
Which brings us almost full circule back to specificity.
Why use the interface of an unsuccessful product (Zune)?
No, no it's not. It only got the windows branding but it's Zune. And that is made by a totally different team.
They finally did what they should done in the first place which was fire the windows mobile team and let the Zune team take over.
This is an excellent product and I can only hope they execute properly on this one as opposed to Palm's very bad handling of the Pre launch.
Oh how I wishhhhhhhh that Microsoft gets gutsy and actually come out with that Courier....running windows phone 7. I only wished they handed rebranded it windows "phone". What if they wanted to use the OS on devices other than a phone?
If they were to put this OS on a tablet I would buy it 10 times faster than I would an iPad.
Speaking of which, I have a suspicion (at least I hope) that the iPhone OS 4.0 will be very similar and is what the iPad should really have been running in the first place.
The same bright people that post everything centre-aligned to get attention: not many.
The battery drain depends on how the other programs are being handled by the processor. Take something like flash on the Pre (coming soon - they could have done the setup better but eh). When the user deselects the flash video and drops it into his stack of card to do something else, the flash application is paused, which ultimately creates a low processor and ultimately energy situation, while it sits in the background.
An application that has to run constantly, such as Pandora, would always use more energy, but the major point is, how much more energy. Having Apple defined multitasking on the iPhone is also an energy draining activity.
But in terms of the mobile, the vast majority of energy expenditure is towards the mobile chipset and the screen.
Some users are willing to compromise a little battery time for the ability to do multiple things, like the jailbreakers i know, where as others would prefer the longest possible battery life.
Don't lie or I'll school your ass until you beg me to stop again. It would be best for you to stop posting this FUD altogether. You hate the iPhone, we get it, bow move on. Who the he'll is going to believe such silly lies that running many app has no affect on performance or battery.
[CENTER]Just because I caught you in error doesn't mean that you have to throw a temper tantrum and resort to spewing vitriol/profanities.
For The Record: I never claimed that there was no affect on battery life, only that said battery autonomy (even while multi-tasking the apps of my choosing) still betters my iPhone 3GS.
It's That Simple
Suggestion: Until you actually BUY a DROID, use it extensively (multi-tasking the apps of your choosing), compare it to your iPhone (if you own one), and can respond based on experience rather than fear that someone has one-upped the iPhone, there's really nothing to discuss here.
The battery drain depends on how the other programs are being handled by the processor. Take something like flash on the Pre (coming soon - they could have done the setup better but eh). When the user deselects the flash video and drops it into his stack of card to do something else, the flash application is paused, which ultimately creates a low processor and ultimately energy situation, while it sits in the background.
An application that has to run constantly, such as Pandora, would always use more energy, but the major point is, how much more energy. Having Apple defined multitasking on the iPhone is also an energy draining activity.
But in terms of the mobile, the vast majority of energy expenditure is towards the mobile chipset and the screen.
Some users are willing to compromise a little battery time for the ability to do multiple things, like the jailbreakers i know, where as others would prefer the longest possible battery life.
Speaking of iPhone multi-tasking, here's a jailbroken iPhone using the webOS-style Cards system.
The battery drain depends on how the other programs are being handled by the processor. Take something like flash on the Pre (coming soon - they could have done the setup better but eh). When the user deselects the flash video and drops it into his stack of card to do something else, the flash application is paused, which ultimately creates a low processor and ultimately energy situation, while it sits in the background.
An application that has to run constantly, such as Pandora, would always use more energy, but the major point is, how much more energy. Having Apple defined multitasking on the iPhone is also an energy draining activity.
But in terms of the mobile, the vast majority of energy expenditure is towards the mobile chipset and the screen.
Some users are willing to compromise a little battery time for the ability to do multiple things, like the jailbreakers i know, where as others would prefer the longest possible battery life.
[CENTER]Exactly, though it's clear that such logic falls on many-a-dead ear in such a biased/hostile environment.[/CENTER]
I will have to admit that Bing Maps (originally "local.live" beta, are probably the best the web has to offer -- especially if the street level (flyover) views are available for your area. Plus you can turn them to get the flyovers from different directions. THESE are easily the best maps the web has shown me.
You don't get it. With WP7 you don't have to unlock it to see how many new messages you have. You even see the time, date and any appointments on the lock screen. And when you unlock you will see even more like photos, actual status messages and so on.
On the iPhone you always have to move all these apps to one home screen and come back to that screen to see what's new.
To be fair, you are conparing iPhone OS v3.0 which arrived as a Beta almost 12 months ago and WinMo 7 which arrived as a demo today. If iPhone OS v4.0 doesn't offer a similar feature, likely next month, then I'll understand an unfavorable comparison. As it stands it's looks pretty good for iPhone OS v4.0 to beat WinMo 7 to market by 4-5 months.
As for the usefulness, I hope Apple goes the route of jailbreak app LockInfo v2.0 for iPhone. It's brilliant and considerably more useful than the block system in the WM7 design. I'm also hoping iPhne OS SDK v4.0 offers a lockscreen API for devs, but that may be pushing it.
See that's the thing about moving targets, they keep moving.
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Originally Posted by ifail
Except this blow MotoBlur out the water.I also didnt say it leaped the iPhone but its UI is certainly the best looking in my eyes.
Have you seen the videos running in real-time? It looks pretty good, even with the placeholder stuff they have in there but its easy to tell there is still more work that needs to be done to polish it up.
The industry has been waiting for WinMo7 for years now, its poised to deliver currently. MIX is supposed to show a lot more next month. It will be nice to see how the phones are, since i hear MS partnered with QUALCOMM and the base processor for WM7 is the Snapdragon
I think this interface looks like it could be very interesting, but I wonder how it will put restrictions on how people can customise it so that it still looks clean and sensible.
One of the things I've been told the Google phone is good for is having flexibility in what you do with the user interface, but having looked at a friends phone, all the customisation he has done has made it look awful, and I think it seems more difficult to use.
The thing Apple seem good at is making an interface that works for the vast majority of regular users. That more techy people don't like not being able to customise it (and multi-task!) means they will lose sales from those people, but the vast majority of the market just doesn't care.
The thing Apple seem good at is making an interface that works for the vast majority of regular users. That more techy people don't like not being able to customise it (and multi-task!) means they will lose sales from those people, but the vast majority of the market just doesn't care.
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Too bad "the rest of us" counts for a small minority of consumers.
Actually, the vast majority of folks are NOT iPhone users, much less the dumb-as-a-post type usually cited as the ideal iPhone demographic.
In a crowded market filled with phones that look the same and do the same things, I challenged the team to deliver a different kind of mobile experience
Congratulate yourself, Ballmer. For once your fat ass was successful at something.
Too bad MS didn't do "different" in a good way. The new UI could have been code-named "Blonde": beautiful but absolutely scatterbrained.
For the company that gave the world the Start button, where do you start with this thing?
Anyway, keep on swinging MS. Maybe Apple will die of laughter.
Moron alert.
There is no simpler way of accessing search from anywhere in the system than double tapping the home button.
Troll.
Whats that Pot?
when I double tap my home button, it takes me to the iPod application.
perhaps you mean slow double tap?
I guess you have to be more specific
Thanks
Kettle
[CENTER]As far as your claim that multi-tasking results in suffering 'performance and battery life', I direct to Motorola's DROID, which multi-task any/all installed apps yet still consistently achieves greater battery autonomy than my iPhone 3GS.
The iPhone is undoubtedly a fine device, but some of these 'excuses' for features it's clearly lacking are just that - excuses that can be easily rectified with more proficient hardware/software design/integration. [/CENTER]
Don't lie or I'll school your ass until you beg me to stop again. It would be best for you to stop posting this FUD altogether. You hate the iPhone, we get it, bow move on. Who the he'll is going to believe such silly lies that running many app has no affect on performance or battery.
When I unlock my phone, I already see how many new texts, phone calls, emails, IMs I have simply by being on my home page. There's nothing new here.
You don't get it. With WP7 you don't have to unlock it to see how many new messages you have. You even see the time, date and any appointments on the lock screen. And when you unlock you will see even more like photos, actual status messages and so on.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/longzhe...7623315690861/
On the iPhone you always have to move all these apps to one home screen and come back to that screen to see what's new.
Whats that Pot?
when I double tap my home button, it takes me to the iPod application.
perhaps you mean slow double tap?
I guess you have to be more specific
Thanks
Kettle
No, your misunderstanding is the result of the fact that you have no idea how to use the hardware. You can customize the home button to complete a number of commands in the settings.
Overall, WINMO7 is a good attempt to get back in the game and maybe there are a few things Apple can consider. I agree with other's that Googles OS isn't looking so shiny any more. The biggest problem I see is that every device that this OS is on will have to be styled after and look "identical" or at least similar to the iphone/ zune "flat Slab'. Not much incentive for manufacturers to make their own devices if it's hard to differentiate your product.
It works for Apple because the OS works on one device. Licensing this OS out seems tricky.
Moron alert.
There is no simpler way of accessing search from anywhere in the system than double tapping the home button.
Troll.
But that search button has different functions depending on where you are. If you press it in the mail app you search all mails and so on. On the home screen you get Bing.
Maybe you wanne use your brain next time before calling somebody a troll. Thank you.
Who the he'll is going to believe such silly lies that running many app has no affect on performance or battery.
The same bright people that post everything centre-aligned to get attention: not many.
No, your misunderstanding is the result of the fact that you have no idea how to use the hardware. You can customize the home button to complete a number of commands in the settings.
The only misunderstanding is from you, Mr Pot 2.0
Yes, you can adjust it in the settings. This ability to adjust makes Mr Pot 1.0's comments extra specially false.
Which brings us almost full circule back to specificity.
It's still Windows.
Why use the interface of an unsuccessful product (Zune)?
No, no it's not. It only got the windows branding but it's Zune. And that is made by a totally different team.
They finally did what they should done in the first place which was fire the windows mobile team and let the Zune team take over.
This is an excellent product and I can only hope they execute properly on this one as opposed to Palm's very bad handling of the Pre launch.
Oh how I wishhhhhhhh that Microsoft gets gutsy and actually come out with that Courier....running windows phone 7. I only wished they handed rebranded it windows "phone". What if they wanted to use the OS on devices other than a phone?
If they were to put this OS on a tablet I would buy it 10 times faster than I would an iPad.
Speaking of which, I have a suspicion (at least I hope) that the iPhone OS 4.0 will be very similar and is what the iPad should really have been running in the first place.
The same bright people that post everything centre-aligned to get attention: not many.
The battery drain depends on how the other programs are being handled by the processor. Take something like flash on the Pre (coming soon - they could have done the setup better but eh). When the user deselects the flash video and drops it into his stack of card to do something else, the flash application is paused, which ultimately creates a low processor and ultimately energy situation, while it sits in the background.
An application that has to run constantly, such as Pandora, would always use more energy, but the major point is, how much more energy. Having Apple defined multitasking on the iPhone is also an energy draining activity.
But in terms of the mobile, the vast majority of energy expenditure is towards the mobile chipset and the screen.
Some users are willing to compromise a little battery time for the ability to do multiple things, like the jailbreakers i know, where as others would prefer the longest possible battery life.
Don't lie or I'll school your ass until you beg me to stop again. It would be best for you to stop posting this FUD altogether. You hate the iPhone, we get it, bow move on. Who the he'll is going to believe such silly lies that running many app has no affect on performance or battery.
[CENTER]Just because I caught you in error doesn't mean that you have to throw a temper tantrum and resort to spewing vitriol/profanities.
For The Record: I never claimed that there was no affect on battery life, only that said battery autonomy (even while multi-tasking the apps of my choosing) still betters my iPhone 3GS.
It's That Simple
Suggestion: Until you actually BUY a DROID, use it extensively (multi-tasking the apps of your choosing), compare it to your iPhone (if you own one), and can respond based on experience rather than fear that someone has one-upped the iPhone, there's really nothing to discuss here.
Have A Nice Day
The battery drain depends on how the other programs are being handled by the processor. Take something like flash on the Pre (coming soon - they could have done the setup better but eh). When the user deselects the flash video and drops it into his stack of card to do something else, the flash application is paused, which ultimately creates a low processor and ultimately energy situation, while it sits in the background.
An application that has to run constantly, such as Pandora, would always use more energy, but the major point is, how much more energy. Having Apple defined multitasking on the iPhone is also an energy draining activity.
But in terms of the mobile, the vast majority of energy expenditure is towards the mobile chipset and the screen.
Some users are willing to compromise a little battery time for the ability to do multiple things, like the jailbreakers i know, where as others would prefer the longest possible battery life.
Speaking of iPhone multi-tasking, here's a jailbroken iPhone using the webOS-style Cards system.
Actual demo starts at about 3:20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lgoopIhYgE
The battery drain depends on how the other programs are being handled by the processor. Take something like flash on the Pre (coming soon - they could have done the setup better but eh). When the user deselects the flash video and drops it into his stack of card to do something else, the flash application is paused, which ultimately creates a low processor and ultimately energy situation, while it sits in the background.
An application that has to run constantly, such as Pandora, would always use more energy, but the major point is, how much more energy. Having Apple defined multitasking on the iPhone is also an energy draining activity.
But in terms of the mobile, the vast majority of energy expenditure is towards the mobile chipset and the screen.
Some users are willing to compromise a little battery time for the ability to do multiple things, like the jailbreakers i know, where as others would prefer the longest possible battery life.
[CENTER]Exactly, though it's clear that such logic falls on many-a-dead ear in such a biased/hostile environment.[/CENTER]
You don't get it. With WP7 you don't have to unlock it to see how many new messages you have. You even see the time, date and any appointments on the lock screen. And when you unlock you will see even more like photos, actual status messages and so on.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/longzhe...7623315690861/
On the iPhone you always have to move all these apps to one home screen and come back to that screen to see what's new.
To be fair, you are conparing iPhone OS v3.0 which arrived as a Beta almost 12 months ago and WinMo 7 which arrived as a demo today. If iPhone OS v4.0 doesn't offer a similar feature, likely next month, then I'll understand an unfavorable comparison. As it stands it's looks pretty good for iPhone OS v4.0 to beat WinMo 7 to market by 4-5 months.
As for the usefulness, I hope Apple goes the route of jailbreak app LockInfo v2.0 for iPhone. It's brilliant and considerably more useful than the block system in the WM7 design. I'm also hoping iPhne OS SDK v4.0 offers a lockscreen API for devs, but that may be pushing it.
See that's the thing about moving targets, they keep moving.
Except this blow MotoBlur out the water.I also didnt say it leaped the iPhone but its UI is certainly the best looking in my eyes.
Have you seen the videos running in real-time? It looks pretty good, even with the placeholder stuff they have in there but its easy to tell there is still more work that needs to be done to polish it up.
The industry has been waiting for WinMo7 for years now, its poised to deliver currently. MIX is supposed to show a lot more next month. It will be nice to see how the phones are, since i hear MS partnered with QUALCOMM and the base processor for WM7 is the Snapdragon
One of the things I've been told the Google phone is good for is having flexibility in what you do with the user interface, but having looked at a friends phone, all the customisation he has done has made it look awful, and I think it seems more difficult to use.
The thing Apple seem good at is making an interface that works for the vast majority of regular users. That more techy people don't like not being able to customise it (and multi-task!) means they will lose sales from those people, but the vast majority of the market just doesn't care.
The thing Apple seem good at is making an interface that works for the vast majority of regular users. That more techy people don't like not being able to customise it (and multi-task!) means they will lose sales from those people, but the vast majority of the market just doesn't care.
[CENTER]Agreed... for now[/CENTER]
http://gizmodo.com/5472235/windows-p...yline=true&s=i
The whole going into an app, then having to hit the Home button to go back -- rinse and repeat -- vs Microsoft's approach.
The video makes the point perfectly.