Really? So the media should be above the law! Have you even thought about what you wrote?
You'll note that I'm not advocating above the law at all. Obviously each agency has to check themselves to make sure they don't cross the line.
As media is an incredibly tough business, the ones that balance maximising readership and keeping their writers out of jail are the ones getting the balance right.
I think what anantksundaram is saying here "scrappy and envelope-pushing -- although ethical -- side" is the right idea. That said each newspaper, blog and TV station has different ethics and their interpretation of the law will vary from one office to the next so consumers get some genuine media diversity that they wouldn't otherwise get.
No one should be above the 'law.' But in a country such as the US, the 'law' is constantly evolving, and that's the way it should be. The envelope-pushing is a necessary part of that evolution.
Envelope pushing--as you call it--should not include violating someones rights.
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They are not above the law. The law accommodates the people's right to know.
Envelope pushing--as you call it--should not include violating someones rights.
Yes, but not through thievery.
'Violating rights?' 'Thievery?' You now this how? Are you a lawyer with knowledge of facts of the case (and no ax to grind), or are you simply making an assertion? If the latter, stop. (I am not saying you'll be -- or, for that matter, I'll be -- proved wrong ultimately, but just making bland assertions again and again does nothing to make a case).
Or he could have done it because it's simply the right (and legal) thing to do.
Americans! How does it affect MEEEE???? The greatest generation was a LONG time ago.
Stereotypes sure are fun. "The greatest generation" was a book by, I believe Tom Brokaw, about his fathers generation and their service in world war 2. A stereotype started back then was satirized by groundskeeper Willie in the Simpsons as "cheese eating surrender monkeys". I am quite certain that stereotype wasn't the truth of the matter, and I think the same of your comment (which was devoid of any satire).
Since I abused PMs, edit text, and reporting posts, I was prevented from doing any of that. Then I got banned. Then I came back with 2 other accounts. Now they are all banned and the IPs are on auto-ban. Yay me.
'Violating rights?' 'Thievery?' You now this how? Are you a lawyer with knowledge of facts of the case (and no ax to grind), or are you simply making an assertion? If the latter, stop. (I am not saying you'll be -- or, for that matter, I'll be -- proved wrong ultimately, but just making bland assertions again and again does nothing to make a case).
Of course I am speculating... we all are based on what we have read. This will be for the courts to decide what rights were violated... if any.
all the comments against gizmodo are ridiculous ....
I don't think they are ridiculous. If anything there are more people giving Gizmodo the benefit of the doubt than they deserve.
The reason for all the "hate" against Gizmodo is that they are all colossal jerks and have behaved like spoiled kids (with a potty mouth to boot), for years now. Also, whenever they performed one of their "hi-jinks" they usually got people defending them saying that they were basically good kids etc., so you can't say people haven't in general given them a break even when they didn't deserve it.
If someone with impeccable moral credentials makes a mistake like this (buying stolen goods, exposing trade secrets etc.), simply because they don't understand the law, and then apologises profusely, they probably wouldn't get into any trouble at all.
Gizmodo on the other hand has a horrible record morally speaking and they've done similar things in the past. They did this particular deed on purpose, in full knowledge of how wrong it was, and then thumbed their noses at everyone concerned. They were smug about it. They were mean about it. They blamed others for their own crimes. They covered up the identity of the original thief. They blamed the Apple employee who was the chief victim of the crime.
Ask any judge. The law is supposed to be blind, but if you dance around like an idiot thumbing your noses at the cops and generally acting like an a-hole, you are far more likely to get the book thrown at you than the guy respectfully standing up for what he believes.
You really think the DA or Apple want a headline from going after a media co?
industrial espionage is no joke in Silicon Valley. it is a very serious matter. prototypes in testing are extremely valuable and legitimate trade secrets.
Gawker/Giz's pose that it's all just a hype/game reflects so well the prevailing immaturity of much of the web. as if everything is a high school prank.
<Stephen Wagstaffe, San Mateo County?s chief deputy district attorney, explained that ?if there is any case that arises out of our office at this point the police have not submitted for prosecution.? He added: ?We certainly know about what happened here in Redwood City? regarding the missing iPhone, ?and we are the jurisdiction for any legal prosecutions? that could come out of the episode.>
Since I abused PMs, edit text, and reporting posts, I was prevented from doing any of that. Then I got banned. Then I came back with 2 other accounts. Now they are all banned and the IPs are on auto-ban. Yay me.
Because there's only one single IP address I could ever use. Do you know how many WiFi ports anyone uses on a daily basis? Hooray indeed. Boy that's one hell of a strategy you have there.
Enjoy your automatic toys - no one could ever run around them. Being a snarky motherfucker sure beats dealing with people huh nerd?
Suck my dick - perhaps I'll make this a little daily hobby now.
And g3 cell-tower proxies? Those are even more fun - try them today!
Because there's only one single IP address I could ever use. Do you know how many WiFi ports anyone uses on a daily basis? Hooray indeed. Boy that's one hell of a strategy you have there.
Enjoy your automatic toys - no one could ever run around them. Being a snarky motherfucker sure beats dealing with people huh nerd?
Suck my dick - perhaps I'll make this a little daily hobby now.
And g3 cell-tower proxies? Those are even more fun - try them today!
Can't you take the hint? They don't want you here!
You really think the DA or Apple want a headline from going after a media co?
I don't think either worry about the headline of going after a media company. I did originally think Apple would rather not have a constant reminder of having an Apple ninja unmasked but I'm starting to have my doubts.
If he going to continue trolling would you please post the email addresses he's used to register. Really, I only need the very first one.
So you can spam my email box? Ya - you could spam a gmail account that was registered and used for one day and then abandoned. Knock yourself out you fucking dumbshit.
Man - is your low-IQ a hereditary thing or did you just hit yourself in the face with a hammer?
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Really? So the media should be above the law! Have you even thought about what you wrote?
You'll note that I'm not advocating above the law at all. Obviously each agency has to check themselves to make sure they don't cross the line.
As media is an incredibly tough business, the ones that balance maximising readership and keeping their writers out of jail are the ones getting the balance right.
I think what anantksundaram is saying here "scrappy and envelope-pushing -- although ethical -- side" is the right idea. That said each newspaper, blog and TV station has different ethics and their interpretation of the law will vary from one office to the next so consumers get some genuine media diversity that they wouldn't otherwise get.
No one should be above the 'law.' But in a country such as the US, the 'law' is constantly evolving, and that's the way it should be. The envelope-pushing is a necessary part of that evolution.
Envelope pushing--as you call it--should not include violating someones rights.
They are not above the law. The law accommodates the people's right to know.
Yes, but not through thievery.
Envelope pushing--as you call it--should not include violating someones rights.
Yes, but not through thievery.
'Violating rights?' 'Thievery?' You now this how? Are you a lawyer with knowledge of facts of the case (and no ax to grind), or are you simply making an assertion? If the latter, stop. (I am not saying you'll be -- or, for that matter, I'll be -- proved wrong ultimately, but just making bland assertions again and again does nothing to make a case).
Or he could have done it because it's simply the right (and legal) thing to do.
Americans! How does it affect MEEEE???? The greatest generation was a LONG time ago.
Stereotypes sure are fun. "The greatest generation" was a book by, I believe Tom Brokaw, about his fathers generation and their service in world war 2. A stereotype started back then was satirized by groundskeeper Willie in the Simpsons as "cheese eating surrender monkeys". I am quite certain that stereotype wasn't the truth of the matter, and I think the same of your comment (which was devoid of any satire).
"I'm sure the district attorney would rather make the bigger headlines of hanging Gawker Media out to dry..."
Mark
You really think the DA or Apple want a headline from going after a media co?
'Violating rights?' 'Thievery?' You now this how? Are you a lawyer with knowledge of facts of the case (and no ax to grind), or are you simply making an assertion? If the latter, stop. (I am not saying you'll be -- or, for that matter, I'll be -- proved wrong ultimately, but just making bland assertions again and again does nothing to make a case).
Of course I am speculating... we all are based on what we have read. This will be for the courts to decide what rights were violated... if any.
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all the comments against gizmodo are ridiculous ....
I don't think they are ridiculous. If anything there are more people giving Gizmodo the benefit of the doubt than they deserve.
The reason for all the "hate" against Gizmodo is that they are all colossal jerks and have behaved like spoiled kids (with a potty mouth to boot), for years now. Also, whenever they performed one of their "hi-jinks" they usually got people defending them saying that they were basically good kids etc., so you can't say people haven't in general given them a break even when they didn't deserve it.
If someone with impeccable moral credentials makes a mistake like this (buying stolen goods, exposing trade secrets etc.), simply because they don't understand the law, and then apologises profusely, they probably wouldn't get into any trouble at all.
Gizmodo on the other hand has a horrible record morally speaking and they've done similar things in the past. They did this particular deed on purpose, in full knowledge of how wrong it was, and then thumbed their noses at everyone concerned. They were smug about it. They were mean about it. They blamed others for their own crimes. They covered up the identity of the original thief. They blamed the Apple employee who was the chief victim of the crime.
Ask any judge. The law is supposed to be blind, but if you dance around like an idiot thumbing your noses at the cops and generally acting like an a-hole, you are far more likely to get the book thrown at you than the guy respectfully standing up for what he believes.
You really think the DA or Apple want a headline from going after a media co?
industrial espionage is no joke in Silicon Valley. it is a very serious matter. prototypes in testing are extremely valuable and legitimate trade secrets.
Gawker/Giz's pose that it's all just a hype/game reflects so well the prevailing immaturity of much of the web. as if everything is a high school prank.
what, me busted?
yup.
All perma-banned now.
<Stephen Wagstaffe, San Mateo County?s chief deputy district attorney, explained that ?if there is any case that arises out of our office at this point the police have not submitted for prosecution.? He added: ?We certainly know about what happened here in Redwood City? regarding the missing iPhone, ?and we are the jurisdiction for any legal prosecutions? that could come out of the episode.>
Since I abused PMs, edit text, and reporting posts, I was prevented from doing any of that. Then I got banned. Then I came back with 2 other accounts. Now they are all banned and the IPs are on auto-ban. Yay me.
Because there's only one single IP address I could ever use. Do you know how many WiFi ports anyone uses on a daily basis? Hooray indeed. Boy that's one hell of a strategy you have there.
Enjoy your automatic toys - no one could ever run around them. Being a snarky motherfucker sure beats dealing with people huh nerd?
Suck my dick - perhaps I'll make this a little daily hobby now.
And g3 cell-tower proxies? Those are even more fun - try them today!
Because there's only one single IP address I could ever use. Do you know how many WiFi ports anyone uses on a daily basis? Hooray indeed. Boy that's one hell of a strategy you have there.
Enjoy your automatic toys - no one could ever run around them. Being a snarky motherfucker sure beats dealing with people huh nerd?
Suck my dick - perhaps I'll make this a little daily hobby now.
And g3 cell-tower proxies? Those are even more fun - try them today!
Can't you take the hint? They don't want you here!
DrBenway, Dr No, and BobDobbs are all the same person.
All perma-banned now.
If he going to continue trolling would you please post the email addresses he's used to register. Really, I only need the very first one.
You really think the DA or Apple want a headline from going after a media co?
I don't think either worry about the headline of going after a media company. I did originally think Apple would rather not have a constant reminder of having an Apple ninja unmasked
If he going to continue trolling would you please post the email addresses he's used to register. Really, I only need the very first one.
So you can spam my email box? Ya - you could spam a gmail account that was registered and used for one day and then abandoned. Knock yourself out you fucking dumbshit.
Man - is your low-IQ a hereditary thing or did you just hit yourself in the face with a hammer?
What a fucking asshole dumbshit.
DrBenway, Dr No, and BobDobbs are all the same person.
All perma-banned now.
He'll probably finally go when his parents take him off restriction but we'll have to put up with his hissy fits till then.