Analyst: iPhone 4 not "retinal display"

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in iPhone edited January 2014
See for yourself, Apple misinformation again?



Quote:

"The resolution of the retina is in angular measure - it's 50 Cycles Per Degree," he wrote in an email. "A cycle is a line pair, which is two pixels, so the angular resolution of the eye is 0.6 arc minutes per pixel.



"So, if you hold an iPhone at the typical 12 inches from your eyes that works out to 477 pixels per inch," Soneira added. "At 8 inches it's 716 ppi. You have to hold it out 18 inches before it falls to 318 ppi.



"So the iPhone has significantly lower resolution than the retina," Soneira wrote. "It actually needs a resolution significantly higher than the retina in order to deliver an image that appears perfect to the retina."



http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364871,00.asp

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 17
    irnchrizirnchriz Posts: 1,617member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post


    See for yourself, Apple misinformation again?



    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364871,00.asp



    This guy is full of shit looking for some web clicks.



    Visual acuity with regards to DPI has already been well established with regards to printing.





    Minimum Resolution for Smooth, Clean Images (dpi)

    Distance \t20/20 20/15

    (6/6)\t (6/4.5)

    36"\t 68dpi\t 90dpi

    24"\t 101dpi 135dpi

    18"\t 135dpi\t 180dpi

    12"\t 203dpi\t 270dpi

    8"\t 304dpi\t 405dpi

    6"\t 405dpi 540dpi
  • Reply 2 of 17
    sennensennen Posts: 1,472member
    WUM fail.
  • Reply 3 of 17
    areseearesee Posts: 776member
    Deleted - Reread the quote.
  • Reply 4 of 17
    spotonspoton Posts: 645member
    The analyst says the iPhone 4 display is not a "retinal display" because it's has less resolution than the retina.



    Of course what happens to the image after it leaves the retina and gets interpreted by the brain is a whole different matter. (thus DPI etc)



    So technically the analyst is right and Steve Jobs is wrong.





    But likely Steve already knows this and so does a lot of smart people at WWDC, and is just using "retinal display" as a tool of influence and control. "you believe what I say you believe"



    Anyone dare correct him will find themselves 'persona non grata'.
  • Reply 5 of 17
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    How about we try an experiment to test your contention, I'll hold an iPhone 4 12" from your eyes displaying an image on a black background, and you can count how many pixels that image contains.



    It should be pretty easy for you, as you are saying that the individual pixels will be discernible.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post


    The analyst says the iPhone 4 display is not a "retinal display" because it's has less resolution than the retina.



    Of course what happens to the image after it leaves the retina and gets interpreted by the brain is a whole different matter. (thus DPI etc)



    So technically the analyst is right and Steve Jobs is wrong.





    But likely Steve already knows this and so does a lot of smart people at WWDC, and is just using "retinal display" as a tool of influence and control. "you believe what I say you believe"



    Anyone dare correct him will find themselves 'persona non grata'.



  • Reply 6 of 17
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Also, Sony's HDNA branding is misleading because their HD sets do not, in fact, contain any DNA. And the HTC Hero does not rush into burning buildings to save people. And British Columbia, while lovely, is in no way characterized by paranormal activity, giving the lie to their highly duplicitous "Supernatural" campaign. And whatever you do, don't fall for Microsoft's patently absurd assertion that its users somehow made Windows 7-- it was actually written by programmers in the employ of Microsoft!



    Oh, and SpotOn-- you're verging on self parody.
  • Reply 7 of 17
    piotpiot Posts: 1,346member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post


    The analyst says the iPhone 4 display is not a "retinal display" because it's has less resolution than the retina.



    Jobs, didn't claim that the iPhone display had the same resolution as the human retina.



    Quote:

    So technically the analyst is right and Steve Jobs is wrong.



    So technically you don't seem to understand what either of them is saying.



    Quote:

    ..... and is just using "retinal display" as a tool of influence and control.



    The terms is "Retina Display", and is being used as a tool of.... marketing!



    Do you really believe any of the crap you write?
  • Reply 8 of 17
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    I look forward to a psychiatrist weighing in on the incorrect use of a medical diagnosis in the phrase "Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs."
  • Reply 9 of 17
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,324moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post


    The analyst says the iPhone 4 display is not a "retinal display" because it's has less resolution than the retina.



    Of course what happens to the image after it leaves the retina and gets interpreted by the brain is a whole different matter. (thus DPI etc)



    So technically the analyst is right and Steve Jobs is wrong.



    But likely Steve already knows this and so does a lot of smart people at WWDC, and is just using "retinal display" as a tool of influence and control. "you believe what I say you believe"



    Anyone dare correct him will find themselves 'persona non grata'.



    For normal eyes, which would apply to most people, the screen has no pixellation:



    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...ne-resolution/



    and even with perfect vision, you're not really going to notice the difference because the phone won't be completely steady. When you move things around, you get blurring from the movement.



    The phone crosses the threshold of what's required to deliver the marketed quality so I think it's fine for them to use it. I don't really like the term though because it doesn't really explain itself from the name.
  • Reply 10 of 17
    asianbobasianbob Posts: 797member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post


    For normal eyes, which would apply to most people, the screen has no pixellation:



    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...ne-resolution/



    and even with perfect vision, you're not really going to notice the difference because the phone won't be completely steady. When you move things around, you get blurring from the movement.



    The phone crosses the threshold of what's required to deliver the marketed quality so I think it's fine for them to use it. I don't really like the term though because it doesn't really explain itself from the name.



    Agree. At 12 inches, even the Droid's screen at 480 x 854 has no real pixelation. While it's technically true (and theoretically) of what the Dr. says (he's got a Ph.D. and 20 years experience, after all), for all intents and purposes, most people aren't going to care.



    We fastly approaching the point where for these small screen sizes, getting the upper hand on who has the higher pixel density is nothing more than a pissing match between companies.
  • Reply 11 of 17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post


    ...for all intensive purposes...



    HaHaHaHaHa.... Ok, I'll just assume (from your screen-name) that english is not your first language.
  • Reply 12 of 17
    asianbobasianbob Posts: 797member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KingOfSomewhereHot View Post


    HaHaHaHaHa.... Ok, I'll just assume (from your screen-name) that english is not your first language.



    You're right it's not. But I've been in the US for 22 years. Silly mistake on my part. Happens when my mind's in multiple places at the same time.
  • Reply 13 of 17
    8corewhore8corewhore Posts: 833member
    Nobody holds it a "typical" 12 inches from their eyes. Jobs demonstrated the length and it looked more like 18 or 20 inches. At that length the human eye can not resolve anymore...
  • Reply 14 of 17
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    I look forward to a psychiatrist weighing in on the incorrect use of a medical diagnosis in the phrase "Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs."



    I've always had a problem with Tony the Tiger's assertions about Frosted Flakes. I don't think they're "Grrrrreat!" I'd describe them as mediocre. While we're on the subject, I have never heard Rice Krispies make the sounds snap, crackle and pop. This really needs to be looked into right away.
  • Reply 15 of 17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post


    ...e. While we're on the subject, I have never heard Rice Krispies make the sounds snap, crackle and pop...



    You're just not holding your ear the proper distance from the bowl. Rice Krispies have a "Tympanic Sound"... meaning at the proper distance, their sound output exactly matches the audio response of your ear's tympanic membrane. That does, however, assume a healthy ear... if you have any loss of hearing, due to age, or long-term exposure to loud noises, or have ever attended a KISS concert, then you won't be able to hear it.
  • Reply 16 of 17
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KingOfSomewhereHot View Post


    You're just not holding your ear the proper distance from the bowl. Rice Krispies have a "Tympanic Sound"... meaning at the proper distance, their sound output exactly matches the audio response of your ear's tympanic membrane. That does, however, assume a healthy ear... if you have any loss of hearing, due to age, or long-term exposure to loud noises, or have ever attended a KISS concert, then you won't be able to hear it.



    That explains everything, including why God can't make a rock bigger than He can lift.
  • Reply 17 of 17
    spotonspoton Posts: 645member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by piot View Post


    Do you really believe any of the crap you write?





    You just better worry about the tar balls washing up on my Florida beach house.



    We are going to own your country real soon.
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