Android apps first, Apple devices later

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in iPhone edited January 2014
Looxcie. Available for 11 different Android phones. Will be available for "additional operating systems" in Fall 2010. History repeats itself...

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  • Reply 1 of 16
    And? If it was about marketshare, Apple would make it about marketshare. It's about experience.
  • Reply 2 of 16
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    And? If it was about marketshare, Apple would make it about marketshare. It's about experience.



    Apple almost folded in the late 90s because the Mac marketshare was too low for developers to bother with. The only thing that saved the company was the iPod and its halo effect. It's naive to think that Apple can pull another rabbit out of its hat when the iPhone's market share gets pushed below 10% by ubiquitous and cheap Android phones.
  • Reply 3 of 16
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    Originally Posted by the_steve View Post


    Apple almost folded in the late 90s because the Mac marketshare was too low for developers to bother with. The only thing that saved the company was the iPod and its halo effect. It's naive to think that Apple can pull another rabbit out of its hat when the iPhone's market share gets pushed below 10% by ubiquitous and cheap Android phones.



    Think what you will.
  • Reply 4 of 16
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    I don't want to pay $3,000 for a Mac. If iPhone fails, which it might (could?) if they don't add carriers soon and license the OS to some degree eventually, that is a possibility. Do you remember how expensive Macs used to be? iDevices are subsidizing Mac R&D now, I assume, at least to some degree. Of course the Intel switch helped. But that won't be enough. Apple has to start to open up more and play better with the rest of the industry, to grow marketshare (which relates to price and even experience...e.g. we need Adobe and MS Office!). It's not Steve Pilgrim Vs. The World. Because if it is, we lose. Apple almost went out of business. Now, people always say it is "about" to, but it actually, really, almost did. It could drop the Mac, and become an iPod or iPhone company exclusively. That'd suck but it is one possible scenario for the future. Food for thought.
  • Reply 5 of 16
    akacakac Posts: 512member
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    Originally Posted by Aquatic View Post


    I don't want to pay $3,000 for a Mac.



    So get the normal $1000-$1200 Macs. The $3000 ones are workstations - just like Dell. The fact is that iOS won't fail. I work with Android, Palm, RIM, Apple, and Microsoft and the only one that's got it down is Apple. Palm is close. Even RIM is better than Android in their marketplace. Android for developers is great in many places, sucks in others. Unfortunately it sucks in the places its really bad to suck at.
  • Reply 6 of 16
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,354member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by the_steve View Post


    Apple almost folded in the late 90s because the Mac marketshare was too low for developers to bother with. The only thing that saved the company was the iPod and its halo effect. It's naive to think that Apple can pull another rabbit out of its hat when the iPhone's market share gets pushed below 10% by ubiquitous and cheap Android phones.



    A gross oversimplification. Apple was saved by Jobs @ the NeXT infusion. They had success with the creation of the iMac well before the iPod launched.



    This thread is misguided. The Mac never had, & subsequently lost, dominant marketshare.
  • Reply 7 of 16
    hirohiro Posts: 2,663member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by the_steve View Post


    Looxcie. Available for 11 different Android phones. Will be available for "additional operating systems" in Fall 2010. History repeats itself...



    One piece of third party hardware with a cross-licencing deal for initial release doesn't make for any kind of statement about the wider market. It is simply an indication that a couple companies shared advertising dollars.
  • Reply 8 of 16
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    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    This thread is misguided. The Mac never had, & subsequently lost, dominant marketshare.





    When the Macintosh was introduced in 1984 it had 100% market share for GUI computing.
  • Reply 9 of 16
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    Originally Posted by the_steve View Post


    When the Macintosh was introduced in 1984 it had 100% market share for GUI computing.



    Which was minuscule as compared to the numbers of PC running DOS at the time and this doesn't support your hypothesis that History is repeating itself.



    Creating straw-man arguments won't save your faulty hypothesis.
  • Reply 10 of 16
    piotpiot Posts: 1,346member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by the_steve View Post


    Looxcie. Available for 11 different Android phones. Will be available for "additional operating systems" in Fall 2010. History repeats itself...



    Which "History" is that?



    The one where the iPhone installed base is still much larger than Android?

    Plus the iOS devices user base is even larger?



    Or the one where the Blackberry installed base is larger than Android?



    Or the one where Symbian users outnumber all of the above put together?













    So, basically, what you are saying is that the iPhone is destined to fail as hundred of millions of people who like to wear a camera in their ear rush to the Android platform.



    Even Enderle can come up with a better theory than that.
  • Reply 11 of 16
    hirohiro Posts: 2,663member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by the_steve View Post


    When the Macintosh was introduced in 1984 it had 100% market share for GUI computing.



    By that metric the markets for green socks and blue socks should be considered separately too.
  • Reply 12 of 16
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 14,807moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by the_steve View Post


    Looxcie. Available for 11 different Android phones. Will be available for "additional operating systems" in Fall 2010. History repeats itself...



    I don't think this is going to be quite the same situation. There aren't that many peripherals you can even use with a phone whereas the PC had thousands - printers, webcams, mice, keyboards, media storage, disc burners and so on.



    Plus, Apple's marketshare with iOS is not insignificant and they've got far more exclusive products from well-respected manufacturers than other mobile vendors. Tom Tom GPS for example, which only recently announced some deal with HTC. In-car connection kits, hi-fi systems, payment systems.



    One silly webcam nobody is really crying out for isn't really a ground-breaking shift from that. I have no doubt that some manufacturers will want to exclusively back Android and Google will use whatever marketing they can to do it but Apple's products are still very strong and highly regarded. I don't see a major focus happening in the near term. maybe a couple of years down the line but by then Apple will be able to buy Google out and have some spare change.
  • Reply 13 of 16
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    Originally Posted by the_steve View Post


    Apple almost folded in the late 90s because the Mac marketshare was too low for developers to bother with. The only thing that saved the company was the iPod



    As the iPod debuted only in 2002, pray how did Apple survive 3 to 7 years on thin air? They didn't. Your statement is incorrect. Apple was a fully operative going concern in that era. In fact that was the era that Apple gained traction with the mainstream again with its radical fruit-colored all-in-one iMacs that lit up and transformed the beige scene. And OS7 ran rings around Windows 3.1 and NT...
  • Reply 14 of 16
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    Originally Posted by Aquatic View Post


    ...If they don't add carriers soon...



    Won't make it fail.



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    ...and license the OS to some degree eventually...



    Won't ever happen, and also wouldn't make it fail. You apparently have never seen a Mac. Licensing the OS is what almost made Apple bankrupt.



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    Do you remember how expensive Macs used to be?



    Sure, they were the same price, comparatively, as they are now. Crap was expensive in the 90s.



    Quote:

    Apple has to start to open up more and play better with the rest of the industry,



    What does this mean?



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    ...grow marketshare...



    Doesn't need to happen.



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    which relates to price and even experience



    Doesn't relate to price and only relates to experience in their ability to effectively increase the size of their support systems as their marketshare increases.



    Quote:

    Apple almost went out of business.



    By doing what you're telling them to do.



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    It could drop the Mac, and become an iPod or iPhone company exclusively.



    Tim Cook said no. This translates to a guaranteed "The Mac will remain for the next eight years." It isn't happening any time soon, and I refuse to believe that it will happen at all.
  • Reply 15 of 16
    piotpiot Posts: 1,346member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aquatic View Post


    Food for thought.



    Apple still owns the PMP market.

    Including 2010, the Mac has increased it's market share every year... for the last six years.

    Despite the rise of Android... iPhone is again on track to increase it's annual market share.

    Right now iPad owns the newly created "media tablet" market.



    In two of the above markets.... Apple makes more money than any of their closest competitors.

    In the other two.... Apple makes more money than ALL of their competitors combined.



    In the September quarter (counting all iOS devices along with Macs) Apple became the largest computer seller (by units) on the planet. Overtaking HP and Nokia.



    Think about that food!
  • Reply 16 of 16
    irelandireland Posts: 17,785member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by the_steve View Post


    Looxcie. Available for 11 different Android phones. Will be available for "additional operating systems" in Fall 2010. History repeats itself...



    That's 1 game, or whatever it is. Most games are available for iOS first. Because iOS users are the ones who spend the money. That games developer is an Android user. No big deal.
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