Antigravity

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
See: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2157975.stm"; target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2157975.stm</a>;



I've heard of his experiment but I've also heard that other scientists had difficulty in duplicating it. So why is Boeing, BAE, and Nasa looking into it? Perhaps Boeing duplicated the experiment but is keeping on the DL? Is there any merit to this phenomena?



My understanding of modern Quantum physics is that every force (Strong nuclear, weak nuclear, electro-magnetic, and gravity) has an associated boson (force transmitting particle). The only one yet to be directly observed is the Graviton. But bosons do not have anti-particles like baryons and fermions (eg. there is no anti-photon or anti-W particle) so how would you reproduce anti-gravity? Even anti-matter produces normal gravity... So this is why I have a heard time believing in anti-gravity, unless I am missing something significant here.

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  • Reply 1 of 17
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    While I'm just starting to grasp some of these concepts in my own readings, I get the sense many of these particles and their properties are still misunderstood somewhat by science. Detecting these types of particles and then discerning what it was that you detected with any sort of reproduceable proof seems a tough haul.



    I wonder if our understandng of things like quarks, leptons, bosons, etc. is at the same level of understanding we had when we first unconvered the atom and its constituent parts. Surely there were initial observations or assumptions made about the nature of atoms that proved to be incorrect (or only partially correct) as the math and instrumentation improved.



    We are on the right track but I have a feeling we're just learning to crawl if you take my meaning. Read any good book about cosmology and the related theories of how things came to be, and there are clearly areas we are just beginning to understand. I think anti-particles and their role in the universe is one of those things.



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  • Reply 2 of 17
    Maybe Boeing should talk with David Copperfield...
  • Reply 2 of 17
    Boeing just moved the corporate HQ to Chicago. This must be related. Getting the higher ups away from a new ground zero if something goes wrong?
  • Reply 4 of 17
    I just read in SciAm about a guy working on an E&M to grav wave transducer. That's what this anti-grav device sounds like.
  • Reply 5 of 17
    willoughbywilloughby Posts: 1,457member
    I made an Antigravity device once. Alas, when I turned it on it flung free of the earth's atmosphere at 25,000 mph and I never saw it again
  • Reply 6 of 17
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 7 of 17
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    One can argue that a chemical rocket booster is an anti-gravity device
  • Reply 8 of 17
    curiousuburbcuriousuburb Posts: 3,325member
    don't forget the buttered cat anti-grav system.





    strap some toast (butter side up) to the back of a cat



    drop from at least table height.



    toast always wants to land butter side down...



    a cat always wants to land on its feet.



    the result of this experiment is that at about a height of 4 inches, the cat and toast spin perpetually, each repelling the other from floor contact, generating an anti-gravity effect!



    with enough toast and enough cats, we're flying.

    <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />



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  • Reply 9 of 17
    [quote]Originally posted by Outsider:

    <strong>One can argue that a chemical rocket booster is an anti-gravity device </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Not successfully though.
  • Reply 10 of 17
    snofsnof Posts: 98member
    [quote]Originally posted by curiousuburb:

    <strong>don't forget the buttered cat anti-grav system.





    strap some toast (butter side up) to the back of a cat



    drop from at least table height.



    toast always wants to land butter side down...



    a cat always wants to land on its feet.



    the result of this experiment is that at about a height of 4 inches, the cat and toast spin perpetually, each repelling the other from floor contact, generating an anti-gravity effect!



    with enough toast and enough cats, we're flying.

    <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />



    [ 07-29-2002: Message edited by: curiousuburb ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    The problem with this is that the repulsive force of the toast is not nearly as strong as the force from the cat (a much larger object), therefore the cat's force will win and it will land on it's feet.



    The above is based on my own experimental data.



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  • Reply 11 of 17
    curiousuburbcuriousuburb Posts: 3,325member
    okay, maybe we'd have to up the toast-coefficient by using,

    say... blackberry jam over an expensive white carpet.



    then the toast forces overwhelm all but pumpkin sized cats



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  • Reply 12 of 17
    wrong robotwrong robot Posts: 3,907member
    A chemical Rocket boost is an anti gravity device because the resuly propulsion is working AGAINST gravity....so its anti gravity

    har har har.



    I like cats....and buttered toast....but my friend's already tried this, and sure enough no spinning.
  • Reply 13 of 17
    blizaineblizaine Posts: 239member
    This is actually very interesting. After searching for Dr Podkletnov's name on the Internet some cool articles came up. Apparently ANY object would reduce in weight by 2% if it was placed above this machine, even if it was several floors up. That?s crazy...



    BTW: I heard a rumor that Apple will use this technology in their next ?Breakthrough Digital Device??. They will call it the iPodklenov? ok, that was bad..



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  • Reply 14 of 17
    rick1138rick1138 Posts: 938member
    Another interesting subject in the same vein,which actually has been repeated experimentally is that of lifters,only so far no one has any idea how they work.



    <a href="http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lifters.htm"; target="_blank">http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lifters.htm</a>;
  • Reply 15 of 17
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    I found a device that can power your floating apparatus! <a href="http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/meg.htm"; target="_blank">The MEG!</a>
  • Reply 16 of 17
    I read somewhere awhile back that Townsend Brown's gravity control experiments and ideas have been the basis of the USAF's research efforts at the legendary Area 51 testing facility in Nevada and the Green River site in Utah. It seems a little more plausible than "reverse-engineered alien spacecraft", and the strange objects floating and zipping through the skies there are more a result of American, rather than Pleiadeian ingenuity and invention. Anti-gravity has always fascinated me!



    BTW... could a ladder be correctly descibed as an anti-gravity device?



    <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
  • Reply 17 of 17
    rick1138rick1138 Posts: 938member
    Actually,from what is known about physics aliens are more plausible than anti-gravity.
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