WTF.. "This is NOT spam.."

giaguara

Now WTF ???



From a spam mail:



[quote]

All our mailings are sent complying to the proposed H.R. 3113 Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Act of 2000. Please see the bottom of this message for further information and removal instructions. <hr></blockquote>



Now WTF??



Does there exist that kinda law in US??



IMHO this kinda SPAM is still spam = unsolicited bull.SIT.



Aaaand - as I live in Italy *at least here* a spam with the next quote (translation: "yea. this ain't spam cos we offer u the possobility to click to confirm us that your email really exists - to spam you more") - is still SPAM. Unsolicited, bull.SIT I never asked this spammer to send me nothing.



Now tell me somebody have they really made such stupid laws in US?? "Click on the unsubscribe=confirm us your email really exists= the spam is no spam?? WTF???



[quote] ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++

If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington,D.C.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++



IMPORTANT: You may remove yourself from this mailing by utilizing our automated removal system at <a href="http://210.192.108.35/remove.html."; target="_blank">http://210.192.108.35/remove.html.</a>; This message is in full compliance with U.S. Federal requirements for commercial e-mail under bill s.1618 Title 111, Section 301, Paragraph (a) (2) (c) passed by the 105th U.S. Congress and cannot be considered SPAM since it includes a remove mechanism.



GOOD LUCK!! <hr></blockquote>

artman @_@

Well, I get 90% SPAM everyday. Some of the stuff is sick (Animal Sex), stupid (Hello, I'm a Nigerian...can I borrow your bank account number?) and hilarious...



I had one mail that described bowel movements and how you can detect health problems by the size, color and density. If you had bad bowels they recommended getting a colon wash. Ok, sure...



I wonder...how is the SPAM situation over there in Europe, Asia and all? The same...and just as stupid and frivolous?

giaguara

i think there is less spam here.but too many people fall to those "click here to remove your address from our spamlist" (and confirm their addy exists).



i get in media 5-50 emails a day that try to convince that i can bet 1-4 inches to my.. :eek: .!!, sell me viagra, help me stop smoking, invite me to all the webcam parties, offer me loans and paychecks or are those "hi, i'm a poor nigerian, give me your money".. practically i started ages ago to fwd all those to the abuse@their providers (from isps) but today i signed up the spamcop. so i simply fwd all the bull.SIT that bores me and manages still to reach me (i have a nice amount of filters so i guess i lose some mails as well..) now to spamcop <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />



i just wonder how those "get 1-4 inches more to your.." would help to get really those 4" to my.. :eek: <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />



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thegelding

[quote] a day that try to convince that i can "add" 1-4 inches to my.. <hr></blockquote>



aahh, mula dear, could you forward that link to me, i could use some help there....ha....kidding (i think) :eek: g

giaguara

[quote]Originally posted by thegelding:

<strong>



aahh, mula dear, could you forward that link to me, i could use some help there....ha....kidding (i think) :eek: g</strong><hr></blockquote>



well sometimes i used to forward THOSE mails to one of my portuguese friends .. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

burningwheel

i don't know if this law exists in the US



i get a lot of spam. i have a spamcop account, so i just forward the mail to them, this easier than using their website which is slow,clunky and buggy a lot of the times. i'm not sure if spamcop helps but i use it anyways

shawnpatrickjoyce

It certainly does. Spammers must provide means of easily removing someone's name from the send list... just like telephone spammers. Frequently, I just find broken links.

amorph

Note the words "proposed" and "bill" in those disclaimers. It's not law, it's referring to a very pro-spam bill backed by the Direct Marketing Association that went nowhere fast in Congress.



If it's commercial mail, or a mailing list you didn't explicitly opt in to, it's spam, and you can thereby guarantee that the sender does not have any ethics or integrity whatsoever. Disclaimers, subject lines, "remove" lists and revoltingly anti-consumer bills stagnating in Congress don't change that.

giaguara

[quote]Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce:

<strong>It certainly does. Spammers must provide means of easily removing someone's name from the send list... just like telephone spammers. Frequently, I just find broken links.</strong><hr></blockquote>



that's the worst thing to do. if you have not provided your address to the spammers, if you answer or click anywhere, it proves your (inevnted or bought) addy exists.



i once responded to a spammer because i was really pissed off about the thing they were spamming me.. after that.. yes yes yes. my iol.it email addy has finished to those cds where you have 20 000 000 email addys..

paul

What is SpamCop??

giaguara

[quote]Originally posted by Paul:

<strong>What is SpamCop??</strong><hr></blockquote>



<a href="http://spamcop.net/"; target="_blank">http://spamcop.net/</a>;

alcimedes

actually, they already know your address exists. if it didn't exist, the mail would have been bounced back to them as "undeliverable"



however, it does show that you're active/gullible.

buonrotto

That's why I prefer to bounce my spam from Mail.app then delete the inevitable "undeliverable" response you get because the server has already been moved or shut down. That and the junk mail filter.

ghost_user_name

I think it's amazing that some people get so much junk. In my three "personal" e-mail accounts, I got no spam at all, maybe one or two junk e-mails a week. One of them I've had for four years, one for three years, and one about six months.



How? Simple.



Most spammers get your e-mail address when you enter it to sign up for services or to download some kind of software or something like that. Alternatively, some spammers use bots to scour web pages and newsgroups for e-mails to use. In both of these cases, it is YOUR responsibility to keep your e-mail private. If you post your e-mail on a web page, everyone in the world has access to it. Some people get around this by posting their e-mail as something like "bradNOSPAM@mac.com (remove the NOSPAM to send)" so the bots would get "bradnospam@mac.com" which is an incorect address.



Of course, some spammers also use name generators based on reguar words and common names, but I haven't been caught by them either.



I give my personal e-mail ONLY to the friends, family, coworkers, and people I trust will not do anything stupid with it. When I have to enter a valid e-mail address to download something or view a certain webpage, I use an alternate "spam" account I have set up at hotmail.com. I check the account about once every two weeks just to delete everything and kep it active.

roduk

If it's your own website, you can always include your e-mail address as a bitmap, so the bots don't recognise it as being an e-mail address.

smithjoel

My favorite spam e-mail of all time:



"Smash things with your cock!!!"



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giaguara

I *DO* use various anti spam techniques.



in my (more serious) site(s) i NEVER have my email written as user@server.com.

WHEN it has been necessary to put the email written, it is in the middle of a chapter where explained how to contact me, AND it is written e.g. like user at myserver dot com . when it is a normale person in the need of contacting me, he is able to compone the addy of that info.



when i have to use a visible email addy i prefer the format user@server.invalid or user.takethisawayifyouanswertome@server.invalid (or.com) (or, if i use a @server.it i leave the outer part as @server.it.invalid )

also on the places where i can hide my addy i do hide it.



i don't give the private addies to all the places.

and basically those registration eg. stuff i do from my trashm.. eah, hotmail and of one more email addy.



the problem with this superspammed iol.it addy is that the user part is short (only 4 letters) so i bet that is at well one reason it gets to the invented lists a well.



so i guess i start to not use it. to the friends who still use it (hey that was my most stabile email addy for 5 years) .. i will start to reply from my supernew mac addy then. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />



i have plenty of filers.. so all the stuff having loans, rates, any pornographic terms, etc etc ends to junk. though i cannot check that account online - no way, too much spam - still with these measures.. so .. ok, i give up. i have in some point put ending ALL emails coming from hotmail, lycos, tripod etc going ALL to trash. so.. lets say from 1 january i decide not to use that addy anymore... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

burningwheel

some of my email addys are private (well it's not in the html, so bots can't scan my site to get it, it's in a jpg) and i rarely use them but they get it anyways somehow. others i think get it from yahoo groups somehow. i'm not sure if you can you do anything about that

giaguara

i think msn groups are worse. those few i have been to i have always had in the end ass the visible address -which results as my mail addy - myaddress.removethis@myserver.com .. or those @myserver.invalid. and yes i have found spanish ppl that were not enough clever to decipher those addies. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />



just remembered my that most spammed addy is connected to the formmail of one serious site. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> i'll figure whether i can change that address. i prefer formmail as feedback of the sites cos i dont have to leave my addy visible anywhere.



in the italian usenets - of libero - there was the worst spambot i've seen. i used those me@dontspamme.removethis.etc.etc.com stuff and o got spam which i saw was ALSO to THOSE addies. twats.. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

artman @_@

Hee Heeeeeeeeeeee!



Some of my favorites...



That's it...let's list our (un)favorite E-Mail subjects...



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"Young Professionals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!,"



"Subject: I know where you've been..."



"Subject: Mature Women do it right"



"Subject: Die grössten Gangbangs im Netz!"



....and not one email from a true recipient...





The Internet used to be a real, even romantic way of communicating with one's friends or relationships....at least a while ago....everyone I know now has either sold their computer or never even been on the Internet....yes, really... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

giaguara

The only spams that make me laugh are normally those which promise 1-4 inches to my .. :eek: <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />