Clinton fixes the Dems for 2004..
<a href="http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/12/06/clinton/index.html"; target="_blank">Clinton Salon article</a>
I know that Clinton is pretty self-serving and self-aggrandizing, but it is amazing how almost hypnotic his speaking style and speeches are with regard to policy and ideas.
Clinton makes some good points here and shows how the Democrats could easily get back into the saddle for 2004. It's a bit long,(4 pages) and makes some pretty good points. (Politically that is)
Nick
I know that Clinton is pretty self-serving and self-aggrandizing, but it is amazing how almost hypnotic his speaking style and speeches are with regard to policy and ideas.
Clinton makes some good points here and shows how the Democrats could easily get back into the saddle for 2004. It's a bit long,(4 pages) and makes some pretty good points. (Politically that is)
Nick
Comments
I especially liked this paragraph:
[quote] Another thing I would say is sort of heresy. I would like to see the DLC initiate a dialogue with conservatives all across America who aren't interested in the politics of personal destruction. Most conservatives are conservative in theory but operationally progressive if they know and understand what the issue is and they don't feel like it's a threat to their values. And I think we ought to have conversations, not screaming matches on radio and television talk shows, conversations about why the Brady Bill is not a threat to the right of people to go hunting, about why being pro choice is not the same thing as thinking there ought to be more abortions in America, about why being for basic civil rights for gay people is in the best American tradition and doesn't have anything to do with somebody's religious or personal convictions. We ought to talk and, and we ought to listen. Look, the agents of change lose when there's no dialogue. When people are screaming at each other and they're mad and they're scared, we lose. When people are talking and listening and thinking, we win. And I think we ought to reach out and have a genuine organized, disciplined dialogue.
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<strong>We all miss him in some regard. I, more than others.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think this quote somes it up well.
[quote] So, what do we draw from all this? Well without a national message that says where we agree, where we disagree, a message that defends our record and has positive proposals for the future, we can't win a midterm election and we sure can't win a presidential election. With one, we can.
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This is exactly what people were mentioning here in the forums.
Nick
Such a funny fat man with a big potato nose.
So altruistic and non-politiciany......
Good times.......good times......
<strong>Yes, he was such a silly diversion from reality after all.
Such a funny fat man with a big potato nose.
So altruistic and non-politiciany......
Good times.......good times......</strong><hr></blockquote>
He's like a sexy Santa. People tell him what they want for Christmas. He tells them he will deliver it and then goes and gets his knob polished by a chubby elf.
:eek: <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Nick
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He's like a sexy Santa. People tell him what they want for Christmas. He tells them he will deliver it and then goes and gets his knob polished by a chubby elf.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ahhh...it was nice to have a president that COULD "get up the vote" if you know what I mean. After decades of old farts, it was a pleasant change!
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Ahhh...it was nice to have a president that COULD "get up the vote" if you know what I mean. After decades of old farts, it was a pleasant change!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh come on... Dole could too... with a little Viagra. :eek: :eek:
Nick
Like a sexy Santa.
Except for the sexy bit.
And the clothes and the beard and the goodwill, he didn't have those either.
The belly, now he had the belly.
Mostly he liked for young girls to sit in his lap...or something similar.
That, and cock up foreign policy.
But now, isn't this the kind of topic that belongs in the soon-to-be-eliminated Fireside Chat forum?
The kind of stuff that should be LOCKED in THIS forum?
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Oh Mods!
You said that this stuff wouldn't be coming back to AppleOutsider.....lookie-lookie...it DID...and before Fireside Chat has even given up the ghost and gone to sing with the Choir Invisible!
Golly gee, who could've predicted THAT?!
[Official Grumble #1]
D
<strong>But now, isn't this the kind of topic that belongs in the soon-to-be-eliminated Fireside Chat forum?
The kind of stuff that should be LOCKED in THIS forum?
<ahem>
Oh Mods!
You said that this stuff wouldn't be coming back to AppleOutsider.....lookie-lookie...it DID...and before Fireside Chat has even given up the ghost and gone to sing with the Choir Invisible!
Golly gee, who could've predicted THAT?!
[Official Grumble #1]
D</strong><hr></blockquote>
thats why there have been a few... "edgy" new topics in AO...
two term Clinton
one term Bush
two term
the Democratic answer to that call is obvious now
<strong>Clinton?s strategy would be a failure. Why? Because he would expect "conservatives" to listen to reason and budge on reasonable bills, like Brady. But I can't see Clinton et al turning the tables. Reasonable tort reform? Not a chance. Reasonable ban on partial birth abortion? Not a chance. He wants "conservatives" to come to him but I doubt he can get his clan to meet "conservatives" half way.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree. Some game theorist could explain this better than I, but I don't think the duopoly that is our government is capable of reasonable compromise. All issues must be demagogued. All bills must be tainted.
The third trimester abortion thing is a perfect example. There should be a bill that clearly (so that doctors aren't intimidated) provides exceptions for dangers to the mother and abnormalities of pregnacy (not forcing parents to give birth to babies that will only suffer and die). But republicans want the issue to stay alive so they always introduce hard core bills that won't pass. Democrats, in turn, block any restrictions because it is seen as slippery slope and they have to please their base as well.
Our system is like diluting two poisons together and expecting the resulting drink to be edible. I vote, but I don't enjoy it.
Clinton is smooth. He also has this look on this face...that damn grin as if he thinks he is more intelligent than everyone else in the room. This speech you linked to was before he called the entire republican party racist.
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