As Carolina data center debut looms, Apple expanding in Silicon Valley too

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in iPod + iTunes + AppleTV edited January 2014
Apple is said to be quickly building another new data center in Silicon Valley in addition to the massive North Carolina facility set to open any day now, ahead of the anticipated "iCloud" service.



Apple's new California server space will be housed in a third-party facility, and will be smaller than the massive Maiden, N.C., facility, Data Center Knowledge reported Wednesday. Instead, Apple's new expansion, expected to go online later this year, will be just 11,000 square feet devoted to data center space, compared to the 184,000 square feet in North Carolina.



The seven-year lease will get Apple 2.28 megawatts of critical power load in the facility being built in Santa Clara, Calif., by DuPont Fabros Technology. The building is scheduled to open sometime between July and September of this year.



DuPont Fabros has not officially confirmed that Apple is the tenant of the new facility, only referring to its partnership with a Fortune 50 company. However, industry sources have reportedly confirmed that Apple is indeed set to control the 11,000 square feet.



The new lease is noteworthy because Data Center Knowledge believes it to be Apple's first investment in a "wholesale data center," where tenants lease a dedicated, fully-built data center space.



"This approach is attractive for companies that need to deploy additional data center space quickly, as wholesale space can be delivered more rapidly than building a new data center," the report said.



Apple's rush to add more capacity could be tied to a potential imminent launch of its new cloud-based music streaming service. While most of the attention on the so-called "iCloud" product has focused on music, AppleInsider has been told that the product will also offer wireless syncing of bookmarks, e-mail, contacts, and calendar events, much like the company's existing MobileMe service.



Apple's other $1 billion server farm in North Carolina has been in the works for some time now, as Apple first selected the site in mid 2009. Apple originally expected to open the facility by the end of 2010, but said at its annual investors meeting this year that the facility will go online this spring.



Apple executives also confirmed that the Maiden, N.C., facility, with 500,000 total square feet of space, will support iTunes and MobileMe. The anticipated "iCloud" product is expected to be a successor to MobileMe and could be largely driven by Apple's data centers set to begin operation in the coming months.
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  • Reply 1 of 26
    prof. peabodyprof. peabody Posts: 2,860member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    ... While most of the attention o the so-called "iCloud" product has focused on music, AppleInsider has been told that the product will also offer wireless syncing of bookmarks, e-mail, contacts, and calendar events, much like the company's existing MobileMe service....



    I think it's pretty clear what iCloud will focus on when you look at the image they've been using for the site this week.







    It'a a cloud spreading animated pixie dust (magical!), surrounded by outlines of all the iOS devices.
  • Reply 2 of 26
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    While it is much easier to house everything under one roof from a technical perspective, for sake of of redundancy, fault tolerance and geographically distributed data delivery it is far more robust to have multiple smaller facilities around the world. This type of regional data center build out is exactly what Apple should be doing more of, in my opinion.
  • Reply 3 of 26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    I think it's pretty clear what iCloud will focus on when you look at the image they've been using for the site this week.







    It'a a cloud spreading animated pixie dust (magical!), surrounded by outlines of all the iOS devices.



    It?s been like that for quite a while.
  • Reply 4 of 26
    astrubharastrubhar Posts: 90member
    I think Apple is planning on Lion being the first cloud OS done right. Here are my predictions:



    1. Apps sync across all devices. Special mobile+mac bundle apps will be introduced. They will share data in the cloud. For instance, a financial app would share data across the desktop and mobile version.



    2. Your home folder will be synced up to the cloud. All of your media and documents will be synced across all devices. Potentially an overhaul of how we manage our files. Backup problems disappear.



    3. All this content will be available from the Apple TV.



    4. Apple will likely ditch MobileMe as a failure, although they will probably keep the @me.com domain.



    5. Connecting a new Mac will download all of your content. Apple is working on advanced streaming protocols to assist with viewing the media.



    6. We've seen the UI tweaks and new features of Lion, but none of this cloud stuff. It would explain why the Lion update so far seems boring.
  • Reply 5 of 26
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,594member
    Yes and no...



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by astrubhar View Post


    I think Apple is planning on Lion being the first cloud OS done right. Here are my predictions:



    1. Apps sync across all devices. Special mobile+mac bundle apps will be introduced. They will share data in the cloud. For instance, a financial app would share data across the desktop and mobile version.



    That would be nice

    Quote:

    2. Your home folder will be synced up to the cloud. All of your media and documents will be synced across all devices. Potentially an overhaul of how we manage our files. Backup problems disappear.



    Back-up problems disappear? I think that would be rather too optimistic. All you media synced across all devices would be a nightmare. Selected media, perhaps. What I have on my Macs wont fit on a IOS device.

    Quote:

    3. All this content will be available from the Apple TV.



    Your media, yes. Not the rest, please.

    Quote:

    4. Apple will likely ditch MobileMe as a failure, although they will probably keep the @me.com domain.



    Sure, though I don't regard it as a failure. What did it fail to do?

    Quote:

    5. Connecting a new Mac will download all of your content. Apple is working on advanced streaming protocols to assist with viewing the media.



    I think you need to make a distinction between Macs and IOS devices. For me that would mean - connect a new Mac and wait a week...

    Quote:

    6. We've seen the UI tweaks and new features of Lion, but none of this cloud stuff. It would explain why the Lion update so far seems boring.



    Lion update seem boring to you? I disagree. I know a lot of people hate the gray but functionality wise it looks amazing imo
  • Reply 6 of 26
    Whatever it is, this whole data center thing is a huge investment, and very intriguing. This will either be huge, or a huge failure. Apple has, of course, failed in this 'cloud' space before.
  • Reply 7 of 26
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,594member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    I think it's pretty clear what iCloud will focus on when you look at the image they've been using for the site this week.







    It'a a cloud spreading animated pixie dust (magical!), surrounded by outlines of all the iOS devices.



    Mine looks nothing like that. Looks like the 'old' version
  • Reply 8 of 26
    originalgoriginalg Posts: 381member
    isn't 11,000 sqft really small for a datacenter? that's like 4 mid-size houses. If you include space for administration, cooling and power systems, etc it seems very small.
  • Reply 9 of 26
    blah64blah64 Posts: 915member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by astrubhar View Post


    I think Apple is planning on Lion being the first cloud OS done right. Here are my predictions:



    1. Apps sync across all devices. Special mobile+mac bundle apps will be introduced. They will share data in the cloud. For instance, a financial app would share data across the desktop and mobile version.



    You picked the very last thing I would want sync'd in the cloud. FFS, your financial data isn't something to trust to 3rd parties any more than you absolutely have to.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by astrubhar View Post


    2. Your home folder will be synced up to the cloud. All of your media and documents will be synced across all devices. Potentially an overhaul of how we manage our files. Backup problems disappear.



    Zero interest to me. I have only one thought about OS-cloud integration:



    IT HAD BETTER DAMN WELL BE OPTIONAL!! And not made critical for "normal" use, or cumbersome to disable 100% from a single setting.
  • Reply 10 of 26
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    Mine looks nothing like that. Looks like the 'old' version



    It?s like that if you are either signing in with a non MobileMe email address, or haven?t signed in before. It?s been like that since the last update several months ago.
  • Reply 11 of 26
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,594member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lewisdorigo View Post


    It?s like that if you are either signing in with a non MobileMe email address, or haven?t signed in before. It?s been like that since the last update several months ago.



    Signing in with a non mm email? I must be missing something. I often sign in but have never seen the 'new' look.
  • Reply 12 of 26
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OriginalG View Post


    isn't 11,000 sqft really small for a datacenter? that's like 4 mid-size houses. If you include space for administration, cooling and power systems, etc it seems very small.



    50 PETA BYTE server's could fit in their maybe









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  • Reply 13 of 26
    zyg4zyg4 Posts: 1member
    People are talking about "iCloud" but the website iCloud.com redirects to cloudme.com at least for now (and for some reason the opening page i get is in Portuguese...). And their logo looks like the inverted me.com cloud.



    I wouldn't consider me.com a 'failure' as someone said, but it's still very limited, slow (at least iDisk is slow), disk storage (basic plan) is very limited, the new iCal is good but it was hard setup (all kinds of bugs, required deleting the account in all my devices running different versions of OS X to start clean from backup (and with superb help from Apple rep over chat). Aside from all those little problems... I still prefer me.com than other cloud services out there--because i get much more than just file storage in the cloud.
  • Reply 14 of 26
    paulmjohnsonpaulmjohnson Posts: 1,380member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OriginalG View Post


    isn't 11,000 sqft really small for a datacenter? that's like 4 mid-size houses. If you include space for administration, cooling and power systems, etc it seems very small.



    11,000sqft is 4 houses? My guess, you don't live in the Bay Area!
  • Reply 15 of 26
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,230member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OriginalG View Post


    isn't 11,000 sqft really small for a datacenter? that's like 4 mid-size houses. If you include space for administration, cooling and power systems, etc it seems very small.



    2750 square ft per house is not small, regardless of where you're from and I've lived on both coasts, in the Bay Area and back in the Pacific Northwest where space is not limited.
  • Reply 16 of 26
    eyensteinnoeyensteinno Posts: 148member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OriginalG View Post


    isn't 11,000 sqft really small for a datacenter? that's like 4 mid-size houses. If you include space for administration, cooling and power systems, etc it seems very small.



    If too much data is put in the Cloud some of it will leak into a Black Hole out there in space.

    The 11,000 Sq Ft will just catch the leakage from N.C. cloud. Look what happened to Windows Vista, most of the OS ended up in a Black Hole.
  • Reply 17 of 26
    magicjmagicj Posts: 406member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by paxman View Post


    Sure, though I don't regard it as a failure. What did it fail to do?



    Mobile Me failed to get any traction in the marketplace.



    As of now, I'm not seeing where this iCloud will be any different. Even if the rumor that they're giving away the service for free is true, I'm not seeing any features that would have me use iCloud.



    And if it's not 100% optional and easy to turn completely off, I'm seeing plenty of features that would make me switch back to Windows.
  • Reply 18 of 26
    orlandoorlando Posts: 601member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by paxman View Post


    Selected media, perhaps. What I have on my Macs wont fit on a IOS device.



    Which is why you need streaming. Frequently accessed media lives on the device. The rest is in the cloud. If implemented correctly it should all be transparent to the user.
  • Reply 19 of 26
    kozchriskozchris Posts: 209member
    I want to be able to send in all my DVD movies and have them give me access to an iCloud version instead that can be streamed anytime I want.
  • Reply 20 of 26
    firefly7475firefly7475 Posts: 1,502member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Orlando View Post


    Which is why you need streaming. Frequently accessed media lives on the device. The rest is in the cloud. If implemented correctly it should all be transparent to the user.



    QFT.



    On devices with large amounts of memory everything can be synced (Ã* la Live Mesh, Dropbox or Sugarsync) but on limited memory devices more intelligent syncing needs to be employed and (exactly as you said) if this is implemented correctly it should all be transparent to the user.



    I actually think Google Music is a great example of how sync should be enabled for devices with limited storage.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by magicj View Post


    I'm not seeing any features that would have me use iCloud.



    What features have you see of iCloud? I haven’t seen anything at all. Actually... I haven't even seen confirmation that iCloud even exists!



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kozchris View Post


    I want to be able to send in all my DVD movies and have them give me access to an iCloud version instead that can be streamed anytime I want.



    Sounds like you want UltraViolet to take off . Apple isn't an member at the moment though... so I don't think you'll see anything like this from them.
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