Guy OD's on webcam during chat
Maybe it's the late hour, but this story is creeping me out. Apparently a sub-culture of kids who abuse prescription drugs and chat about it online is springing up.
<a href="http://www.arizonarepublic.com/news/articles/0204weboverdose.html"; target="_blank">AZ Republic Story.</a>
This guy was on a webcam and iirc, taking huge amounts of drugs. Some of the chatters were egging him on and others were begging him to stop.
For me the freaky thing is reading the transcripts of the chat-sort of a digital age faces of death:
<a href="http://www.brandonvedas.com/ripperlog.txt"; target="_blank">http://www.brandonvedas.com/ripperlog.txt</a>;
<a href="http://www.brandonvedas.com/post-ripperlog.txt"; target="_blank">http://www.brandonvedas.com/post-ripperlog.txt</a>;
When they realized he was in real danger, they were trying to figure out how to identify him and his location, to no avail.
Just a sad story.
Jeff
<a href="http://www.arizonarepublic.com/news/articles/0204weboverdose.html"; target="_blank">AZ Republic Story.</a>
This guy was on a webcam and iirc, taking huge amounts of drugs. Some of the chatters were egging him on and others were begging him to stop.
For me the freaky thing is reading the transcripts of the chat-sort of a digital age faces of death:
<a href="http://www.brandonvedas.com/ripperlog.txt"; target="_blank">http://www.brandonvedas.com/ripperlog.txt</a>;
<a href="http://www.brandonvedas.com/post-ripperlog.txt"; target="_blank">http://www.brandonvedas.com/post-ripperlog.txt</a>;
When they realized he was in real danger, they were trying to figure out how to identify him and his location, to no avail.
Just a sad story.
Jeff
Comments
You jerk, just because someone has a drug problem doesn't mean they are a bad person. Screw you, BR.
<strong>So... anyone who wants to kill themself deserves to die? :eek: <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
You jerk, just because someone has a drug problem doesn't mean they are a bad person. Screw you, BR.
When did I say he deserved to die? I didn't so don't put words in my mouth. I believe in personal responsibility. This guy made his choice. I don't think it's sad at all. I'm glad you can handle this mature discussion without resorting to saying things like "screw you." Oh wait, you can't.
just wondering.
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<strong>are you seriously 20 years old BR?
just wondering.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Offtopic (-2)
So, back to the issue at hand...Not once did I say that I thought this kid deserved to die. However, no one forced his hand to take each pill, put it in his mouth, and swallow. I don't care about what kind of idiotic jeering was going on in the chat room. The point is that he made the choice and no one else made it for him. I do not mourn this loss life because this suicide was a conscious, deliberate act.
I can't say I mourn for the guy exactly, either.
To me the sad part is more that anyone feels that hopeless.
I also feel for the family of the guy, and the people on chat with him, especially the ones who wanted to help, and even the ones telling him to take more. Stupid as it was, (and some did to seem to think he was faking) I have to think they feel guilty now.
Jeff
and when you have children you will know that age makes a very very big difference
There are people who are nat able to be responcible for their actions entirely . . and when drugs are involved, that notion of self-control is virtually not applicable
I knnow, I have had very good friends become addicted to serious drugs . . . and I was there with them throughout . . . I am not susceptible to drug addiction or alchoholism through my physical disposition so I am lucky . . . but when someone is addicted, their logic turns circles-upon-circles of whacked justifications and fixations on nothing but the issue of the drug . . . the very idea that "they" are somehow in control is an illusion that they themselves believe and foster . . .but it is an illusion nonetheless
And often, depression and despair is just as addictive and in teh same way debilitating
that's why I have always found your signiture idiotic and mean spirited, BR . . . and also a sign of your age, if you are young, or your maturity level, if you are not
<strong>No, it's not a sad story. I say good for him. If you want to kill yourself, go right ahead. Make my freaking day. It's called personal responsibility. He is responsible for his own actions, no matter how much idiotic jeering was going on. Screw him.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So you do not find it sad that another human has died, for whatever reason? There is nothing sad about that to you? Personal responsibiity is important, think about that. If you cannot be sad that a human died, just for the fact that it was another human what does that say about you? The guy died and all you can say is "screw him". Nice.
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So you do not find it sad that another human has died, for whatever reason? There is nothing sad about that to you? Personal responsibiity is important, think about that. If you cannot be sad that a human died, just for the fact that it was another human what does that say about you? The guy died and all you can say is "screw him". Nice.
I feel bad for his family. I feel bad for his friends. I do not feel bad for him. It is not sad that he, specifically, died. He made a conscious choice. He exercised his (god-given if you so believe) free will (or illusion thereof if you so believe).
<strong>No, it's not a sad story. I say good for him. If you want to kill yourself, go right ahead. Make my freaking day. It's called personal responsibility. He is responsible for his own actions, no matter how much idiotic jeering was going on. Screw him.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And screw those losers who just watched. And screw his family, who must've had some idea that he was self-destructive, and yet did nothing about it.
He wants to kill himself, he should go right ahead. Loser.
Sure, I'm sad that someone is dead, and sure, he couldn't help himself because he had an addiction problem, but he was the ONLY PERSON who could fix that problem.
[ 02-10-2003: Message edited by: finboy ]</p>
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I feel bad for his family. I feel bad for his friends. I do not feel bad for him. It is not sad that he, specifically, died. He made a conscious choice. He exercised his (god-given if you so believe) free will (or illusion thereof if you so believe).</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why? He is dead so he does not matter anymore? When a person exercises their free will and kills themselves they lose all right to any pity or sadness? Just screw them all? But their families, I am sure they would take solace in the fact that you feel bad for them while saying "Screw him." Oh the humanity...
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Why? He is dead so he does not matter anymore? When a person exercises their free will and kills themselves they lose all right to any pity or sadness? Just screw them all? But their families, I am sure they would take solace in the fact that you feel bad for them while saying "Screw him." Oh the humanity...</strong><hr></blockquote>
He made the choice. That isn't my problem and frankly I don't care. Stop pretending that you care.
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He made the choice. That isn't my problem and frankly I don't care. Stop pretending that you care.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Your steely gaze penetrates to the hard cold truth . . . such heroic realism
yer full of shiit buddy . . . just because you've adopted an idiotic image for a persona of psuedo-realistic hard heartedness doesn't mean that other people's sentiments regarding the deaths of others are false
just because you act like a jerk doesn't mean everybody else has to do likewise in order to be 'real'
You deny others their sympathy for this guys death?!?! why?
I can only imagine that you think that you have somehow trumpted them with your 'realism'
you seem guided by an image of realism that is paltry and dessicated . . . your signiture says it better than you intended: you're immature and vain and your realism is merely adolescent aggression in love with itself
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Your steely gaze penetrates to the hard cold truth . . . such heroic realism
yer full of shiit buddy . . . just because you've adopted an idiotic image for a persona of psuedo-realistic hard heartedness doesn't mean that other people's sentiments regarding the deaths of others are false
just because you act like a jerk doesn't mean everybody else has to do likewise in order to be 'real'
You deny others their sympathy for this guys death?!?! why?
I can only imagine that you think that you have somehow trumpted them with your 'realism'
you seem guided by an image of realism that is paltry and dessicated . . . your signiture says it better than you intended: you're immature and vain and your realism is merely adolescent aggression in love with itself</strong><hr></blockquote>
I won't even dignify this horribly inaccurate armchair psychoanalysis with a response. Whoops, too late.
/server crackrock.net
/join #shroomery
those people are crazy
pfflam seems pretty close when you think about it, your statements reek of posturing. Is falseness a worser charge than assholedness? iDunno, both can be fun and both seem to be an intrinsic part of the whole web experience.
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He made the choice. That isn't my problem and frankly I don't care. Stop pretending that you care.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am not telling you what to do BR, I am asking you why you said what you did. So stop trying to tell me what to do or what I think. You do not know any more than I do what the other is thinking, thus the questions. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />