I heard Israel is getting up a international treaty to ban these type of terrorist bombings. It will be interesting to see if they can get it to go anywhere and which countries will oppose it.
Not much else I can say. All redundant. All sad.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It seems to me this is all in part due to the following assessment:
Palestinians have some of their population that consist of terror cells that stay in terror mode. This slice of the palestinian population is digging the hole even deeper for the whole of the palestinian population. The real problem here is that every time a terrorist murder bomber blows up people in Israel the gov't of Israel will respond. This is like clockwork. The palestinians all know this. They know it yet they bring it unto themselves as if to get people in the world to feel sorry for them. "Ohhh those Jews are taking out our towns and homes." "Ohhh world feel sorry for us." What in fact is the real root problem? Many things but they consist of the following: Palestinians do not have a real economy to own as a proud people. They have "education" that is nothing more than brainwashing to hate the Jews and the Christians starting at a very young age and ending when the boys are old enough to join some thug para group. This all stems from a failed leadership of this people (the palestinians) First off these people need and deserve a real and true honest education to prepare the people for the world we live in today. An education that will promote the people into a status of success and give them a positive self-worth. The leadership of the palestinians needs to be consolidated onto the "same page" of reasoning that terror will not be an option any longer. This leadership must make it clear that teaching of hate in schools against others is illegal and punishable by law. These in leadership positions must work to charge and arrest those who still may try to use terror to make a statment. Funds of groups that employ terror must be seized. The role of the leadership is to make it crystal clear that terror is no longer an option for politics. The real business of the day is to setup a system in which to advance the palestinian people from within. With help from the rest of the world in terms of investment and cooperation a palestinian state of educated people can trade with not only Israel but the world and life will have a more meaningful and peaceful pace about it.
I have only the best wishes for all people in the middle east conflict.
[quote]I for one am never buying Al-Qaeda toffees, wine or fruit again.<hr></blockquote>
What about their honey that they package in those cute little plastic containers shaped liked cuddly wuddly teddy bears? They're so cute I just can't help funding the terrorists.
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
<strong>
...The real problem here is that every time a terrorist murder bomber blows up people in Israel the gov't of Israel will respond.
...</strong><hr></blockquote>
No the real problem is that there are Zionists like yourself that see a one sided issue.
We should all oppose any regime or ideology that oppresses other people, practices intolerance or violates human rights. As did the founding fathers of America that led the people to overthrough a repressive government, those oppressed have even more justification for such action. Which leads the oppressed to find ways to inflict the same upon their oppressors. This cycle has been running for many generations.
All of the issues of both sides of the problem need to be arbitrated. Saying it is either sides fault at this point is just showing ones ignorance of the real problem.
I hope you're safe and sound.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks Immanuel. I?m good.
With time you get vaccinated against these things. It gets a little uncomfortable when they get this close, but I get more unnerved when it rains and our roads are wet. What bothers me is thinking about those that survived.
No the real problem is that there are Zionists like yourself that see a one sided issue.
We should all oppose any regime or ideology that oppresses other people, practices intolerance or violates human rights. As did the founding fathers of America that led the people to overthrough a repressive government, those oppressed have even more justification for such action. Which leads the oppressed to find ways to inflict the same upon their oppressors. This cycle has been running for many generations.
All of the issues of both sides of the problem need to be arbitrated. Saying it is either sides fault at this point is just showing ones ignorance of the real problem.
The way you quote me is out of context on its own. You have to read my entire post for complete contextual understanding. You call me a name. You say I show ignorance. I ask you to articulate what it is you see that is the problem for the palestinian people. Please give examples other than it is the fault of a "Zionist"
We should all oppose any regime or ideology that oppresses other people, practices intolerance or violates human rights. As did the founding fathers of America that led the people to overthrough a repressive government, those oppressed have even more justification for such action. Which leads the oppressed to find ways to inflict the same upon their oppressors. This cycle has been running for many generations.
All of the issues of both sides of the problem need to be arbitrated. Saying it is either sides fault at this point is just showing ones ignorance of the real problem.
Any comments?
And Mika, I thought of you the second I heard it was Haifa. I'm glad you're well.
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
<strong>
... I ask you to articulate what it is you see that is the problem for the palestinian people. ...
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
Providing such would be as futile as articulating the problem of the Jewish people to a Nazi in Germany during the War. That's not to imply that you are in anyway a Nazi. I am only saying that the problem should be that planely obvious.
Providing such would be as futile as articulating the problem of the Jewish people to a Nazi in Germany during the War. That's not to imply that you are in anyway a Nazi. I am only saying that the problem should be that planely obvious.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is a troll comment sir. If the position or solution is so simple or obvious surely you can articulate it. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
to equate Israel with the Nazi party is obscenely offending, and inaccurate at best. If it was the desire of Israel to exterminate the palestinians - there would be no palestinians. The need for resolution does not make the stronger party into a hateful exterminator.
<strong>to equate Israel with the Nazi party is obscenely offending, and inaccurate at best. If it was the desire of Israel to exterminate the palestinians - there would be no palestinians. The need for resolution does not make the stronger party into a hateful exterminator.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I said nothing about the politics of the Nazi party. I only referred to the immoral attitude of those people at the time.
To completely deny the immoral oppression of the Palestinian people is equally demented though.
I see little difference between resistence like the Herbert Baum group and Palestinian fighters. Or haven't you ever heard of the Jewish Resistence in the German settlements(Ghettos).
Please... enlighten me.
And yes I will agree that many of the groups like those of Herbert Baum tried to make change through political and social means initially, but even they turned to acts of violence eventually.
<strong>to equate Israel with the Nazi party is obscenely offending, and inaccurate at best. If it was the desire of Israel to exterminate the palestinians - there would be no palestinians. The need for resolution does not make the stronger party into a hateful exterminator.</strong><hr></blockquote>
*Dr Evil*Yes, there exists a need for a resolution that will end this mess. We shall call it The Final Solution.*/Dr Evil*
Comments
Mika
I hope you're safe and sound.
<a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=Israel+Bomb&btnG=Search+News"; target="_blank">http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=Israel+Bomb&btnG=Search+News</a>;
It's all there.
[ 03-06-2003: Message edited by: Scott ]</p>
Extra-national terrorist organisations should be made to submit to such a ban and / or treaty.
I for one am never buying Al-Qaeda toffees, wine or fruit again.
Palestinians: 15
Israelis: 11
Film at 11.
Not much else I can say. All redundant. All sad.
<strong>This week in terror:
Palestinians: 15
Israelis: 11
Film at 11.
Not much else I can say. All redundant. All sad.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It seems to me this is all in part due to the following assessment:
Palestinians have some of their population that consist of terror cells that stay in terror mode. This slice of the palestinian population is digging the hole even deeper for the whole of the palestinian population. The real problem here is that every time a terrorist murder bomber blows up people in Israel the gov't of Israel will respond. This is like clockwork. The palestinians all know this. They know it yet they bring it unto themselves as if to get people in the world to feel sorry for them. "Ohhh those Jews are taking out our towns and homes." "Ohhh world feel sorry for us." What in fact is the real root problem? Many things but they consist of the following: Palestinians do not have a real economy to own as a proud people. They have "education" that is nothing more than brainwashing to hate the Jews and the Christians starting at a very young age and ending when the boys are old enough to join some thug para group. This all stems from a failed leadership of this people (the palestinians) First off these people need and deserve a real and true honest education to prepare the people for the world we live in today. An education that will promote the people into a status of success and give them a positive self-worth. The leadership of the palestinians needs to be consolidated onto the "same page" of reasoning that terror will not be an option any longer. This leadership must make it clear that teaching of hate in schools against others is illegal and punishable by law. These in leadership positions must work to charge and arrest those who still may try to use terror to make a statment. Funds of groups that employ terror must be seized. The role of the leadership is to make it crystal clear that terror is no longer an option for politics. The real business of the day is to setup a system in which to advance the palestinian people from within. With help from the rest of the world in terms of investment and cooperation a palestinian state of educated people can trade with not only Israel but the world and life will have a more meaningful and peaceful pace about it.
I have only the best wishes for all people in the middle east conflict.
Fellowship
What about their honey that they package in those cute little plastic containers shaped liked cuddly wuddly teddy bears? They're so cute I just can't help funding the terrorists.
<strong>
...The real problem here is that every time a terrorist murder bomber blows up people in Israel the gov't of Israel will respond.
...</strong><hr></blockquote>
No the real problem is that there are Zionists like yourself that see a one sided issue.
We should all oppose any regime or ideology that oppresses other people, practices intolerance or violates human rights. As did the founding fathers of America that led the people to overthrough a repressive government, those oppressed have even more justification for such action. Which leads the oppressed to find ways to inflict the same upon their oppressors. This cycle has been running for many generations.
All of the issues of both sides of the problem need to be arbitrated. Saying it is either sides fault at this point is just showing ones ignorance of the real problem.
[ 03-06-2003: Message edited by: MrBillData ]</p>
<strong>I heard it on the radio.
Mika
I hope you're safe and sound.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks Immanuel. I?m good.
With time you get vaccinated against these things. It gets a little uncomfortable when they get this close, but I get more unnerved when it rains and our roads are wet. What bothers me is thinking about those that survived.
[ 03-06-2003: Message edited by: zKillah ]</p>
<strong>
No the real problem is that there are Zionists like yourself that see a one sided issue.
We should all oppose any regime or ideology that oppresses other people, practices intolerance or violates human rights. As did the founding fathers of America that led the people to overthrough a repressive government, those oppressed have even more justification for such action. Which leads the oppressed to find ways to inflict the same upon their oppressors. This cycle has been running for many generations.
All of the issues of both sides of the problem need to be arbitrated. Saying it is either sides fault at this point is just showing ones ignorance of the real problem.
[ 03-06-2003: Message edited by: MrBillData ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
The way you quote me is out of context on its own. You have to read my entire post for complete contextual understanding. You call me a name. You say I show ignorance. I ask you to articulate what it is you see that is the problem for the palestinian people. Please give examples other than it is the fault of a "Zionist"
Fellowship
We should all oppose any regime or ideology that oppresses other people, practices intolerance or violates human rights. As did the founding fathers of America that led the people to overthrough a repressive government, those oppressed have even more justification for such action. Which leads the oppressed to find ways to inflict the same upon their oppressors. This cycle has been running for many generations.
All of the issues of both sides of the problem need to be arbitrated. Saying it is either sides fault at this point is just showing ones ignorance of the real problem.
Any comments?
And Mika, I thought of you the second I heard it was Haifa. I'm glad you're well.
[ 03-07-2003: Message edited by: Harald ]</p>
<strong>
... I ask you to articulate what it is you see that is the problem for the palestinian people. ...
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
Providing such would be as futile as articulating the problem of the Jewish people to a Nazi in Germany during the War. That's not to imply that you are in anyway a Nazi. I am only saying that the problem should be that planely obvious.
<strong>This week in terror:
Palestinians: 15
Israelis: 11
Film at 11.
Not much else I can say. All redundant. All sad.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Killing terrorists doesn't count as terrorism.
<strong>
Providing such would be as futile as articulating the problem of the Jewish people to a Nazi in Germany during the War. That's not to imply that you are in anyway a Nazi. I am only saying that the problem should be that planely obvious.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is a troll comment sir. If the position or solution is so simple or obvious surely you can articulate it. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
<strong>to equate Israel with the Nazi party is obscenely offending, and inaccurate at best. If it was the desire of Israel to exterminate the palestinians - there would be no palestinians. The need for resolution does not make the stronger party into a hateful exterminator.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I said nothing about the politics of the Nazi party. I only referred to the immoral attitude of those people at the time.
To completely deny the immoral oppression of the Palestinian people is equally demented though.
I see little difference between resistence like the Herbert Baum group and Palestinian fighters. Or haven't you ever heard of the Jewish Resistence in the German settlements(Ghettos).
Please... enlighten me.
And yes I will agree that many of the groups like those of Herbert Baum tried to make change through political and social means initially, but even they turned to acts of violence eventually.
[ 03-07-2003: Message edited by: MrBillData ]</p>
<strong>to equate Israel with the Nazi party is obscenely offending, and inaccurate at best. If it was the desire of Israel to exterminate the palestinians - there would be no palestinians. The need for resolution does not make the stronger party into a hateful exterminator.</strong><hr></blockquote>
*Dr Evil*Yes, there exists a need for a resolution that will end this mess. We shall call it The Final Solution.*/Dr Evil*
[ 03-07-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</p>