And don't forget the great new superior camera that, when tested against the android phones, did not do so good as expected. Outperformed by the Galaxy S II and HTC Sensation in video, and by Galaxy S II and T-Mobile MyTouch Slide 4G in still images. ANd this doesn't include the recently releaseed Sony's Xperia Ray which is regarded as the best of the Android cameras (although not tested side by side yet)
"Smartphone Camera Battle: iPhone 4S vs. the Android Elite"
Lolz, I find it funny how people defend Apple in this case.
Honestly, I don't see THAT much improvements that can be made in small phones. Also, I think there would be a huge issue if they made too much improvements. Apple could have put a 10 MP camera....but from a business standpoint that would be terrible because you can't improve that much more. Entice them with SOME Jelly Beans, not all ("ooo, piece a candy!").
Actually the number of Android devices on any 1.x version is very tiny: Less than 2.5%. Your daughter's phone is the rare exception rather than the rule.
Second, note that they are apparently measuring only those people who visited Android Marketplace - which is grossly biased toward newer purchasers.
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And don't forget the great new superior camera that, when tested against the android phones, did not do so good as expected. Outperformed by the Galaxy S II and HTC Sensation in video, and by Galaxy S II and T-Mobile MyTouch Slide 4G in still images. ANd this doesn't include the recently releaseed Sony's Xperia Ray which is regarded as the best of the Android cameras (although not tested side by side yet)
"Smartphone Camera Battle: iPhone 4S vs. the Android Elite"
Sorry, but I have a hard time taking a site seriously that doesn't understand margin of error. Saying that the iPhone 4S was outperformed by those phones over a few tenths of a percent difference suggests that they don't know what they are talking about.
Second, note that they are apparently measuring only those people who visited Android Marketplace - which is grossly biased toward newer purchasers.
You aren't going to get much more unbiased than the official Google Android Development Center. Those are the numbers that are quoted everywhere and used as the benchmark for future development. It's as close and as good as it gets.
"You're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts."
Sorry, but I have a hard time taking a site seriously that doesn't understand margin of error. Saying that the iPhone 4S was outperformed by those phones over a few tenths of a percent difference suggests that they don't know what they are talking about.
They actually do note that the top three are so close that you could call any of them the winner.
Second, note that they are apparently measuring only those people who visited Android Marketplace - which is grossly biased toward newer purchasers.
Sorry, but I have a hard time taking a site seriously that doesn't understand margin of error. Saying that the iPhone 4S was outperformed by those phones over a few tenths of a percent difference suggests that they don't know what they are talking about.
Questers, how the hell do you get an unbiased source these days? Gizmomo, Cnet, Engadget, and even CNN are increasingly biased.
Yet they chose not to mention this in the keynote, despite the beta tag. Siri is quite hobbled in Australia.
Ah, it's an interesting start. The key is to open up an API for Siri just like they did for Push services and so on. Rather than depending on Apple to do all the required localisations.
Things I'd like to do, besides Maps of course.
"Siri, which is cheaper right now, Fourex or Tooheys New?"
"Give me directions to the nearest Bottle-O"
"Siri... mate... I am so bloody wasted. Call a bloody cab for me, will ya?"
Siri responds: You are already home.
"In that case... drunk dial my ex-girlfriend for me and ask her to come over for a shag!"
In all seriousness though, Siri is as big as multi-touch was. At first it feels weird. But after a while. You just want to talk to it to do everything for you. Like opening up the API would allow eBay to allow their app to respond to things like, "Siri, how am I doing on eBay?". Weather and Stocks is like when there was no App Store. Siri-enabled apps will be the next App Gold Rush. Since Apple has to bear increased server loads processing Siri, Siri-enabled apps might have to be 60-40 instead of 70-30 revenue sharing. Or, Apple may simply absorb the costs just like they've absorbed iCloud, Push notifications and so on.
It's a complete refont of the UI and you call it a minor update? Have you ever used an android?
Yes. The experience was much worse than I'd anticipated. It looks to me like they gave it a new lick of paint. The UI doesn't work any differently. Everything looks functionally the same, just less ugly. How is that a major update? If Apple released a new version of iOS where they'd just changed the look, added a new lock screen and added some gestures to existing apps, they're be torn apart.
That's one sweet looking phone! What I find most impressive is that they have managed to fit the huge 4.65'' screen into such a slender device -- finally no waste with bezels and buttons! This ergonomic shape, at only 135g, is pretty much as good as it gets...
Admittedly, the specs are going to be bested by a dozen of other phones within half a year, that's how Android rolls -- but ICS does look like a very mature and capable mobile OS, so it will be nice to see it on many devices.
On a different note, I didn't notice any lag in the videos -- I suppose if you're accustomed to gaudy zoom in-out transitions, you get the perception of "lag" in their absence...
-- Discerne if there is a financial (or other) benefit to the source
Weigh it all and form your own opinion....
...or just find a source that agrees with you* (or your agenda) and cite it!
* not you in particular, but anyone
...Anything published, in any form -- by definition is biased.
Yeah, I get what you are saying. I'm taking logic class right now () and I'm still learning. I don't trust a lot of sources these days any way. Especially what happened this week. I was on Macrumors.com where some guy said he caught his wife cheating and the next day.....it was on the cover on yahoo! He never put in a legitimate source/evidence!
That's one sweet looking phone! What I find most impressive is that they have managed to fit the huge 4.65'' screen into such a slender device -- finally no waste with bezels and buttons! This ergonomic shape, at only 135g, is pretty much as good as it gets...
Admittedly, the specs are going to be bested by a dozen of other phones within half a year, that's how Android rolls -- but ICS does look like a very mature and capable mobile OS, so it will be nice to see it on many devices.
Since it's a Google Nexus without all the additional crap other vendors and carriers add to Android-based devices it'll likely still beat many newer and faster Android-based devices that come to market.
I wish I had more time to futz around with Android. I just don't. It might be cool, at least from the perspective of knowing what is going on in the Android ecosystem. Of course it might be interesting to know what is going on with the city sanitation department, but I don't have time for that either.
I understand completely.
That is exactly how pretty much everybody feels about OSX.
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Um, I did? Reading Comprehension.
http://developer.android.com/resourc...-versions.html
.5+38.2+.2+.9+.7=40.5% running 2.3 or higher.
Fair enough.
And don't forget the great new superior camera that, when tested against the android phones, did not do so good as expected. Outperformed by the Galaxy S II and HTC Sensation in video, and by Galaxy S II and T-Mobile MyTouch Slide 4G in still images. ANd this doesn't include the recently releaseed Sony's Xperia Ray which is regarded as the best of the Android cameras (although not tested side by side yet)
"Smartphone Camera Battle: iPhone 4S vs. the Android Elite"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/24195...oid_elite.html
Lolz, I find it funny how people defend Apple in this case.
Honestly, I don't see THAT much improvements that can be made in small phones. Also, I think there would be a huge issue if they made too much improvements. Apple could have put a 10 MP camera....but from a business standpoint that would be terrible because you can't improve that much more. Entice them with SOME Jelly Beans, not all ("ooo, piece a candy!").
Actually the number of Android devices on any 1.x version is very tiny: Less than 2.5%. Your daughter's phone is the rare exception rather than the rule.
http://developer.android.com/resourc...-versions.html
First, how about an unbiased source?
Second, note that they are apparently measuring only those people who visited Android Marketplace - which is grossly biased toward newer purchasers.
And don't forget the great new superior camera that, when tested against the android phones, did not do so good as expected. Outperformed by the Galaxy S II and HTC Sensation in video, and by Galaxy S II and T-Mobile MyTouch Slide 4G in still images. ANd this doesn't include the recently releaseed Sony's Xperia Ray which is regarded as the best of the Android cameras (although not tested side by side yet)
"Smartphone Camera Battle: iPhone 4S vs. the Android Elite"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/24195...oid_elite.html
Sorry, but I have a hard time taking a site seriously that doesn't understand margin of error. Saying that the iPhone 4S was outperformed by those phones over a few tenths of a percent difference suggests that they don't know what they are talking about.
It's about the EXPERIENCE, not about who can brag a little bit about a better spec.
Or, to roughly paraphrase, it's not just about having all the right parts, you also have to get them in the right order.
Or, to put it in street terms... It's not the meat, it's the motion!
First, how about an unbiased source?
Second, note that they are apparently measuring only those people who visited Android Marketplace - which is grossly biased toward newer purchasers.
You aren't going to get much more unbiased than the official Google Android Development Center. Those are the numbers that are quoted everywhere and used as the benchmark for future development. It's as close and as good as it gets.
"You're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts."
Or, to put it in street terms... It's not the meat, it's the motion!
Not for those of us that were blessed with lots of meat!
Sorry, but I have a hard time taking a site seriously that doesn't understand margin of error. Saying that the iPhone 4S was outperformed by those phones over a few tenths of a percent difference suggests that they don't know what they are talking about.
They actually do note that the top three are so close that you could call any of them the winner.
First, how about an unbiased source?
Second, note that they are apparently measuring only those people who visited Android Marketplace - which is grossly biased toward newer purchasers.
Sorry, but I have a hard time taking a site seriously that doesn't understand margin of error. Saying that the iPhone 4S was outperformed by those phones over a few tenths of a percent difference suggests that they don't know what they are talking about.
Questers, how the hell do you get an unbiased source these days? Gizmomo, Cnet, Engadget, and even CNN are increasingly biased.
First, how about an unbiased source?
Second, note that they are apparently measuring only those people who visited Android Marketplace - which is grossly biased toward newer purchasers.
So only people with new phones go to the Market?
Yet they chose not to mention this in the keynote, despite the beta tag. Siri is quite hobbled in Australia.
Ah, it's an interesting start. The key is to open up an API for Siri just like they did for Push services and so on. Rather than depending on Apple to do all the required localisations.
Things I'd like to do, besides Maps of course.
"Siri, which is cheaper right now, Fourex or Tooheys New?"
"Give me directions to the nearest Bottle-O"
"Siri... mate... I am so bloody wasted. Call a bloody cab for me, will ya?"
Siri responds: You are already home.
"In that case... drunk dial my ex-girlfriend for me and ask her to come over for a shag!"
In all seriousness though, Siri is as big as multi-touch was. At first it feels weird. But after a while. You just want to talk to it to do everything for you. Like opening up the API would allow eBay to allow their app to respond to things like, "Siri, how am I doing on eBay?". Weather and Stocks is like when there was no App Store. Siri-enabled apps will be the next App Gold Rush. Since Apple has to bear increased server loads processing Siri, Siri-enabled apps might have to be 60-40 instead of 70-30 revenue sharing. Or, Apple may simply absorb the costs just like they've absorbed iCloud, Push notifications and so on.
Questers, how the hell do you get an unbiased source these days? Gizmomo, Cnet, Engadget, and even CNN are increasingly biased.
Just as you have always had to do...
If it's important enough to you:
-- Find all the information you can
-- Read it carefully, with honest skepticism
-- Look for bias and hidden agenda
-- Discerne if there is a financial (or other) benefit to the source
Weigh it all and form your own opinion....
...or just find a source that agrees with you* (or your agenda) and cite it!
* not you in particular, but anyone
...Anything published, in any form -- by definition is biased.
It's a complete refont of the UI and you call it a minor update? Have you ever used an android?
Yes. The experience was much worse than I'd anticipated. It looks to me like they gave it a new lick of paint. The UI doesn't work any differently. Everything looks functionally the same, just less ugly. How is that a major update? If Apple released a new version of iOS where they'd just changed the look, added a new lock screen and added some gestures to existing apps, they're be torn apart.
Admittedly, the specs are going to be bested by a dozen of other phones within half a year, that's how Android rolls -- but ICS does look like a very mature and capable mobile OS, so it will be nice to see it on many devices.
On a different note, I didn't notice any lag in the videos -- I suppose if you're accustomed to gaudy zoom in-out transitions, you get the perception of "lag" in their absence...
Just as you have always had to do...
If it's important enough to you:
-- Find all the information you can
-- Read it carefully, with honest skepticism
-- Look for bias and hidden agenda
-- Discerne if there is a financial (or other) benefit to the source
Weigh it all and form your own opinion....
...or just find a source that agrees with you* (or your agenda) and cite it!
* not you in particular, but anyone
...Anything published, in any form -- by definition is biased.
Yeah, I get what you are saying. I'm taking logic class right now (
That blew my mind.
That's one sweet looking phone! What I find most impressive is that they have managed to fit the huge 4.65'' screen into such a slender device -- finally no waste with bezels and buttons! This ergonomic shape, at only 135g, is pretty much as good as it gets...
Admittedly, the specs are going to be bested by a dozen of other phones within half a year, that's how Android rolls -- but ICS does look like a very mature and capable mobile OS, so it will be nice to see it on many devices.
Since it's a Google Nexus without all the additional crap other vendors and carriers add to Android-based devices it'll likely still beat many newer and faster Android-based devices that come to market.
I wish I had more time to futz around with Android. I just don't. It might be cool, at least from the perspective of knowing what is going on in the Android ecosystem. Of course it might be interesting to know what is going on with the city sanitation department, but I don't have time for that either.
I understand completely.
That is exactly how pretty much everybody feels about OSX.