I think gigawire, ddr, firewire 2 and other rumored techs are waiting for the G5 motherboard, E-Book. So Apple can blow people away like they did with the first UMA motherboard... So that would be Mid-Summer for this stuff? What till then?
<strong>I think gigawire, ddr, firewire 2 and other rumored techs are waiting for the G5 motherboard, E-Book. So Apple can blow people away like they did with the first UMA motherboard... So that would be Mid-Summer for this stuff? What till then?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's the other way around - the motherboard is waiting for the G5. Think January - all you'll see this summer is faster G4 machines, likely with a much faster bus speed, but nothing like what is coming with the G5.
<strong>It depends how different a G4 and a G5 is.
Imagine a theoretical G4 with a 266MHz FSB and a DDR motherboard.
If the G5 is not too different then the first G5s could be Yikes! Style boxen.
Smart people please help me out on what the G5 would need to not be too different on to use the same/similar mobo
Barto</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well i hear that the G5 will have rapid I/O architecture and will be a 64 bit chip, even if I/O architecture is compatible with DDR ram, i doubt that a mobo for G4 will work with a 64 bit G5
If rumor is true and the G4 doesn't support DDR, then we are going to have to wait for the G5 for new mobos. The problem is that migrating to both a new CPU AND a new mobo is a big change for Apple, and will need more testing than usual to iron out the bugs.
My guess is that they are waiting on the G5 before revising the Mobo, it just makes more economic sense. Why engineer a new mobo for the G4 when in a short time the G5 will arrive? That's two mobos to design, test, and implement rather than one.
So the big question is, when will the G5 be ready. There have been no reports on the G5 since around MWSF, so MWNY is looking less and less likely. Maybe MWSF but that is a long wait while Powermacs are stuck with a cheesy mobo and sub-performance CPUs. Apple is gambling their user base on this one.
They're going to have to figure out something for the G4 as well because it still has a long life ahead of it in everything else (iBook, iMac, TiBook) even if/when the PowerMac goes to G5. There's still a lot of technology they can throw at the G4: A die shrink, and low-K dielectric to start, in addition to the SOI. And finally a reworking of the core to support faster memory clocks.
At least in the notebook space, G4 really didn't need faster memory to compete. But soon even PC notebooks will ship with faster memory buses.
Maybe a die shrink to .13u and faster memory support (in addition to SOI) will be the once rumored 7460 variant of Apollo?
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<strong>I think gigawire, ddr, firewire 2 and other rumored techs are waiting for the G5 motherboard, E-Book. So Apple can blow people away like they did with the first UMA motherboard... So that would be Mid-Summer for this stuff? What till then?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's the other way around - the motherboard is waiting for the G5. Think January - all you'll see this summer is faster G4 machines, likely with a much faster bus speed, but nothing like what is coming with the G5.
S
If we consider this, a new mobo with a G4 for MWNY will mean no G5 in the near future (MWSF 2004).
So if there is no new mobo for G4 at MWNY the G5 will have good chances to be release for MWSF 2003.
I bet that we will see only small speed bumps of speed for MWNY and perthaps some minor improvement of the mobo like UDMA 133.
Imagine a theoretical G4 with a 266MHz FSB and a DDR motherboard.
If the G5 is not too different then the first G5s could be Yikes! Style boxen.
Smart people please help me out on what the G5 would need to not be too different on to use the same/similar mobo
Barto
<strong>It depends how different a G4 and a G5 is.
Imagine a theoretical G4 with a 266MHz FSB and a DDR motherboard.
If the G5 is not too different then the first G5s could be Yikes! Style boxen.
Smart people please help me out on what the G5 would need to not be too different on to use the same/similar mobo
Barto</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well i hear that the G5 will have rapid I/O architecture and will be a 64 bit chip, even if I/O architecture is compatible with DDR ram, i doubt that a mobo for G4 will work with a 64 bit G5
<strong>CONFIRMED 2 GHz G5s WITH 90-NANOMETER FEATURES ON AN ENTIRELY NEW MOTHERBOARD WITH 400 MHz FSB!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree, but when ? <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
My guess is that they are waiting on the G5 before revising the Mobo, it just makes more economic sense. Why engineer a new mobo for the G4 when in a short time the G5 will arrive? That's two mobos to design, test, and implement rather than one.
So the big question is, when will the G5 be ready. There have been no reports on the G5 since around MWSF, so MWNY is looking less and less likely. Maybe MWSF but that is a long wait while Powermacs are stuck with a cheesy mobo and sub-performance CPUs. Apple is gambling their user base on this one.
At least in the notebook space, G4 really didn't need faster memory to compete. But soon even PC notebooks will ship with faster memory buses.
Maybe a die shrink to .13u and faster memory support (in addition to SOI) will be the once rumored 7460 variant of Apollo?