MW Tokyo G4 Speed Bump or G5 Surprise?
Maybe this is what Apple has been laying back on? A chance for total secrecy and the benefit of having the element of surprise...wouldnt it be nice? I just have a feeling no matter how dumb it sounds and how improbable it may be but I just have a feeling...also I will probably be wrong and look stupid and you probably even have right to that opinion for me even suggesting such an anomaly, such an outrage, such a rediculous proposal...
I know I will get the usual response to this topic from people saying, "Shut up, idiot." Whatever.
Just when nobody suspects it and when nobody is looking and you know Steve is a master showman and he likes unveiling new products. Why not just throw Phil out there on stage if there were no hardware announcements?
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I know I will get the usual response to this topic from people saying, "Shut up, idiot." Whatever.
Just when nobody suspects it and when nobody is looking and you know Steve is a master showman and he likes unveiling new products. Why not just throw Phil out there on stage if there were no hardware announcements?
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as for why SJ is doing it if there will be no hardware announcements...
1.) he has done many keynotes in the past with no hardware announcements. most notably Macworld SF 2000 which only saw the unveiling of aqua.... oohh
2.) he's there for spirit and has nothing better to do
3.) there could always be software announcements
4.) he's the master salesman. he can make outdated hardware look attractive,
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<strong>Whatever. Apple can "lie" or just say that circumsatnces permitted them to change their no new hardware "signed and written in blood deal." Apple can release hardware at any time regardless of what they say at a prior time...kind of like changing special deals and rebate offer dates.</strong><hr></blockquote>
no, they really can't.
and it doesn't seem like they are out to trick us with their statements. if there was even a remote possibility of an update at tokyo they wouldn't have said anything. you people can't understand that. apple comes out as blatantly as possible and says NO NEW HARDWARE. and you STILL don't believe them. it's because of people like you that they are making these statements. they are trying to kill the anticipation and speculation because they simply can't live up to it time after time after time.
no hardware, get it?
Give me a break...Apple is allowed to say what they want even if its not always true...and in this case truth can be bent to "better than expected yields of G5's."
I am pretty sure that analysts wouldnt be to upset and neither would any of us except for those who currently bought the current QS G4's...even those who purchased the QS G4's based on the statements made by Apple regarding hardware.
<strong>It is also possible that somthing has ocured internally that would allow Apple to update hardware without them even breaching their no new hardware statement.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Macintosh, just give your prick a name : G5
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Macintosh, just give your prick a name : G5</strong><hr></blockquote>
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A prime directive in business is "Never believe a marketer." Seeing as how the VP of marketing was point on this one, I won't take him at his literal word. But I don't think much of anything truly interesting will crop up in the short term.</strong><hr></blockquote>
actually it was Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing Greg Joswiak.
and considering Apple is so tight and careful with they say almost everything goes through the executives and most notably Steve I would say that this isn't just some marketing guy talking about something he has no idea about.
the whole purpose of the interview with Maccentral was to simply get the point across that apple was set hardware wise for months and that no changes would occur at Tokyo. the wording was very specific and strong.
Some marketing guy? Oh my? Do you not think that the marketing team and especially the VP of marketing doesnt know about ALL of the "goings on" inside of the company?--And yes I know that the statement came from Joswiak so dont say that I didnt read.
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<strong>Apple is on record saying there will be no hardware announcements at Macworld Tokyo or for several month for that matter.
as for why SJ is doing it if there will be no hardware announcements...
1.) he has done many keynotes in the past with no hardware announcements. most notably Macworld SF 2000 which only saw the unveiling of aqua.... oohh
2.) he's there for spirit and has nothing better to do
3.) there could always be software announcements
4.) he's the master salesman. he can make outdated hardware look attractive,</strong><hr></blockquote>
Correction: Apple isn't on record saying there will be no new hardware. Greg Joswiak is.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>no, they really can't.
and it doesn't seem like they are out to trick us with their statements. if there was even a remote possibility of an update at tokyo they wouldn't have said anything. you people can't understand that. apple comes out as blatantly as possible and says NO NEW HARDWARE. and you STILL don't believe them. it's because of people like you that they are making these statements. they are trying to kill the anticipation and speculation because they simply can't live up to it time after time after time.
no hardware, get it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Correction: Again, Apple has said nothing. Greg Joswiak has.
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>actually it was Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing Greg Joswiak.
and considering Apple is so tight and careful with they say almost everything goes through the executives and most notably Steve I would say that this isn't just some marketing guy talking about something he has no idea about.
the whole purpose of the interview with Maccentral was to simply get the point across that apple was set hardware wise for months and that no changes would occur at Tokyo. the wording was very specific and strong.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So now you change your story.
[quote]Originally posted at <a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0202/11.applehardware.php:"; target="_blank">http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0202/11.applehardware.php:</a>;
<strong>"We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo, as a matter of fact, we're set for some months now," said Joswiak.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No new CPU's means exactly what it means. No new CPU's, I.E. no G5, 7460, 75XX, etc. This means the PB could go to 800MHz, because there is already a chip from Moto that will go easily into the PB @ 800MHz.
[quote]Originally posted at <a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0202/11.applehardware.php:"; target="_blank">http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0202/11.applehardware.php:</a>;
<strong>"Having just updated all four product quadrants, it's really nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants again at Macworld Tokyo."</strong><hr></blockquote>
He's only saying its nonsensical. Have we seen Apple do things that haven't made sense? Yes. This isn't the written-in-stone thing you make it out to be. What he is saying is there most likely wont be any updates. You can't read it any other way. Remember the G4 intro right after the new G3's? Did that make sense? Did anyone complain? If this guy said "There is 0 chance of Apple updating the quadrants, no chance, nada, wont happen, so go to bed for a few months," I would take it as gospel and probably not watch the keynote. But he's not.
[quote]Originally posted at <a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0202/11.applehardware.php:"; target="_blank">http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0202/11.applehardware.php:</a>;
<strong>"We wanted to start this year off with bang -- let's refresh all the product lines, and get OS X as the primary operating system -- we've got the better solution," said Joswiak. "With our current products, there's never been a better time to buy a Mac."</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is marketing fluff.
All of the rest is just idle talk by MacCentral, so I wont even mention that. They speculate as much as you do.
If Apple released an updated PB at MWTK, would anybody complain? This isn't an official press release by Apple, so it wouldn't be misleading the investors. And if it did, sales would pick up. This guy's statements aren't helping them any. The PB has dropped of the top ten selling in Japan, and if an update puts it back up there you think they will complain? You have some problems my friend. And you need to get the fvck off of Joswiak's you know what and take a look at the real world. Business is buisiness. Apple has misled investors many times, with the Cube, Mac OS X, etc. Who cares.
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<strong>and considering Apple is so tight and careful with they say almost everything goes through the executives and most notably Steve I would say that this isn't just some marketing guy talking about something he has no idea about.
Some marketing guy? Oh my? Do you not think that the marketing team and especially the VP of marketing doesnt know about ALL of the "goings on" inside of the company?--And yes I know that the statement came from Joswiak so dont say that I didnt read.
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make some sense in your next post, then come back to me
[quote]Correction: Apple isn't on record saying there will be no new hardware. Greg Joswiak is.<hr></blockquote>
so who exactly has to say it to make it from Apple? a spokesperson is not enough? it's enough for every other ****ing company
[quote]Correction: Again, Apple has said nothing. Greg Joswiak has.<hr></blockquote>
on behalf of apple
[quote]So now you change your story.<hr></blockquote>
uh... where did it change?
[quote]No new CPU's means exactly what it means. No new CPU's, I.E. no G5, 7460, 75XX, etc. This means the PB could go to 800MHz, because there is already a chip from Moto that will go easily into the PB @ 800MHz.<hr></blockquote>
any dumbass can see he meant CPUs as in computers. Computers are very often called CPUs and in context it most certainly is referring to the overall computers. but of course you leave the rest out because it would show that: [quote]
"We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo, as a matter of fact, we're set for some months now," said Joswiak. "Having just updated all four product quadrants, it's really nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants again at Macworld Tokyo."
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[quote]He's only saying its nonsensical. Have we seen Apple do things that haven't made sense? Yes. This isn't the written-in-stone thing you make it out to be. What he is saying is there most likely wont be any updates.<hr></blockquote>
it's interesting you leave out the most important paragraph. [quote]
While the year started off with a flurry of product announcements, the upcoming Expo in Tokyo will see no new hardware; in fact, the company will not be updating its line of computer products for the coming months, according to Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing Greg Joswiak. Joswiak recently spoke to MacCentral at Apple's Cupertino headquarters.
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no where in the article is it saying there likely won't be. it is saying there won't be
[quote]Remember the G4 intro right after the new G3's? Did that make sense?<hr></blockquote>
1.) yes it made perfect sense. how didn't it?
2.) Apple never said they weren't going to do it.
[quote]"There is 0 chance of Apple updating the quadrants, no chance, nada, wont happen, so go to bed for a few months," I would take it as gospel and probably not watch the keynote. But he's not.<hr></blockquote>
sorry but reading that article that's exactly what I get from it.
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All of the rest is just idle talk by MacCentral, so I wont even mention that. They speculate as much as you do.<hr></blockquote>
yea, of course.. because they were only the people who interviewed the guy. surely they need to speculate on the interview
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I think there is a possibility of updated hardware at Macworld Tokyo.
i'm hoping for displays, but i'm not holding my breath