ADC Student Program fine print
[quote]4. No Warranty. You understand that all information provided to you by Apple is supplied “AS IS”
without warranty of any kind as to its accuracy or completeness. To the extent that Apple makes available any
products or product information, you understand that Apple is under no obligation to provide updates,
enhancements, or corrections, or to notify you of any product changes that Apple may make.<hr></blockquote>
This is from the <a href="http://developer.apple.com/membership/pdf/terms.pdf" target="_blank">terms and conditions</a> page in <a href="http://developer.apple.com/students/sthardware.html" target="_blank">this link</a>. Does this mean that if I use the ADC discount on my TiBook it doesn't come with the normal one year warranty ??
without warranty of any kind as to its accuracy or completeness. To the extent that Apple makes available any
products or product information, you understand that Apple is under no obligation to provide updates,
enhancements, or corrections, or to notify you of any product changes that Apple may make.<hr></blockquote>
This is from the <a href="http://developer.apple.com/membership/pdf/terms.pdf" target="_blank">terms and conditions</a> page in <a href="http://developer.apple.com/students/sthardware.html" target="_blank">this link</a>. Does this mean that if I use the ADC discount on my TiBook it doesn't come with the normal one year warranty ??
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I hope that you are in a C++ class or something like that in college!!!
Does that answer your question?
I emailed Apple about the legal part and I was given an 800 number to call about it. I emailed them about whether or not hardware programming counts as being a developer. I'll keep posting updates for those interested that might use the info.
Yes
To others:
read the fine print in the terms and conditions:
[quote]5. Apple will endeavor to ship items within four to six weeks after accepting your order. Apple cannot, however, guarantee shipment within this period.<hr></blockquote>
[quote]6. Participants in the ADC Hardware Purchase Program agree not to resell or otherwise transfer any items
purchased for a period of at least one year from the date of shipment, and agree that all equipment ordered
under the ADC Hardware Purchase Program will be used only for the purpose of developing software and/or hardware products that will be sold for use with Apple products.<hr></blockquote>
I'm going to ask them how long it is currently taking them to process orders when I call later. Actually I'm going to go upstairs now and call on my cell. About that last part though, I'm sure that Apple can't enforce that unless they can somehow prove that you developed something on the Mac you bought. And it would be pretty lame if they nailed you for cross-compiling your program in linux as well as on Mac, with their "open standards" stance and all.
edit : I think that those terms mean that as long as your program runs and will be sold on Mac you should be fine. So cross-platform development should be fine.(after re-reading it)
[ 07-25-2002: Message edited by: pyr3 ]</p>
Just got off the phone.
1.) THE WARRANTY PART
The Warranty part (in the beginning of the terms and conditions. Number 2 to be exact.) doesn't apply to the ADC Hardware Purchase plan.
2.) THE SHIPPING PART
The part about shipping is kind of a reservation that Apple makes. According to the guy I talked to it usually doesn't take that long (he said nothing that I could hold him to, for obvious reasons ... *cough* doesn't want to get fired if I decide to hold him to something he says *cough*). He also mentioned something to the effect that the more 'non-stock' that you make your purchase the longer it will take (i.e. lots of extras or special caterings in your order). Apple is reserving the legal right to take that long. I guess in case they get backed up then they don't have to worry about people complaining or suing or something.
3.) THE SOFTWARE VS HARDWARE DEV. PART
I have to talk to ADC Hardware Program people directly about it. I will have to wait for them to answer the email that I sent earlier.
4.) THE ONLY DEV. APPLE SOFTWARE PART
I wouldn't worry about this. If I develop any software I plan to have cross-platform compatibility (unix/windows/OSX). I doesn't specify anything about the software needing to be ONLY for Mac. As long as you don't tell anyone that you used it to edit the windows-only program that you are doing for work, then I don't see a problem. ( legal disclaimer : I am not endorsing the breaking of the terms and conditions, I am merely pointing out that this term is hard to enforce completely. Especially if the offender is the only one that knows of the offense )
I hope this helps people out.
[ 07-25-2002: Message edited by: pyr3 ]
[ 07-25-2002: Message edited by: pyr3 ]</p>
<strong>now does this have to be actual programming (c, c++, obj. c) or does web development count too? (html, php, mysql, javascript)</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have yet to get a response to my email about hardware vs software development though. PHP/mySQL is programming. HTML and JavaScript aren't really pogramming. JavaScript is borderline though. Which part are you referring though? The 'must make programs that are apple compatible' part or the 'must be enrolled in development courses' part ?