Apple allegedly luring ex-Google Maps engineers to work on iOS 6 Maps app

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  • Reply 41 of 89
    $85000 is not a good salary for top talent. Must be a mistake.
  • Reply 42 of 89

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post


    with so much users, so much talent and resources, apple will have by far the best maps app in 2 years tops. google has no chance. next step? search. i want a decent and innovative search engine.



    Don't get ahead of yourself. Google has over 7000 people working on Maps alone. Apple has a LONG way to go.

  • Reply 43 of 89


    Originally Posted by thataveragejoe View Post

    Don't get ahead of yourself. Google has over 7000 people working on Maps alone. Apple has a LONG way to go.


     


    It'll then be all the more embarrassing when Apple surpasses them. "Apple runs like a startup," Steve said, long after they became the richest company on the planet. Maybe that's part of why it works.


     


    How many employees does Apple have at corporate, something like 20,000? They're keeping 1 Infinite Loop after Apple Campus 2 is built, but I figure they'll be getting rid of all the rented stuff they have right now.

  • Reply 44 of 89

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    Originally Posted by TokyoJimu View Post



    All Apple employees in Cupertino need to leave their Ferraris at home for the next week and use the new iOS 6 Maps application to get to work by public transit.


    $85,000 a year in San Francisco Bay area and you think they can afford to drive Ferrari's?

  • Reply 45 of 89
    chris_ca wrote: »
    $85,000 a year in San Francisco Bay area and you think they can afford to drive Ferrari's?

    They can't afford condos. :D
  • Reply 46 of 89
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    It's been vector based on Android for quite some time now, they could very easily make a iOS version.

    Apparently since Dec 2010. But why isn't it on the desktop? It seems a little bit odd to go to all that effort and not use it more widely over a year and a half later.
  • Reply 47 of 89
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    Originally Posted by Berp View Post



    The quintessential localized search originates from an individual's awareness of his or her own comfort zone. And there is no one more sensitive to the world around than an Apple end user. Fresh data sets will pour in from the Apple crowd in no time, ...fair-weather friends notwithstanding of course.


    People keep saying crowd sourced information will propel Apple to the forefront of local search but I don't understand how that happens since they don't control thier own data. They get their data from other providers so how does an apple user requesting dry cleaning service make its way up stream to improve Apple search results?

  • Reply 48 of 89

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DeanSolecki View Post



    The google maps in iOS 5 were garbage compared to android, anyway. Normally I take a middle line on these issues, but I think Apple made the right move taking this in-house. Not providing native public transit was a poor strategy, and I feel like a lot of users will be put out by this, but the Google maps in iOS 5 were frequently DEAD WRONG and that is worse than no implementation at all.

    The maps app in any smartphone is a key piece of the user experience, and I think Apple will close the gap in due time.

    Let's not forget, though, dear fellow Apple enthusiasts, that the Google maps app that we've been stuck with was always rubbish. At least now the future might hold some promise. It's a short-term loss, (potential) long-term gain, and the fact that Apple is sniping Google software engineers is a clear sign that Apple is taking this seriously, as they should.

    To draw a circle around the point, however, maps are a core component of any smartphone and in-house development is the best strategy for a company that has the resources to do it. Apple has those resources, and they made the right move.


     


    I think a lot of people were upset by not being able to use the alternative while Apple maps goes through its teething problems.  However, by taking away the alternative, it forced iOS6 users to put the app through its paces, and actually brought the weaknesses of the app to the forefront to be addressed immediately, rather than people simply stop using the Apple maps and going back to their comfort zone, the Google maps.  While I wouldn't necessarily agree with this strategy from a customer standpoint, it does ensure a more rapid improvement of a core app without waiting for the yearly upgrade cycle.  While I believe some people are upset with some inaccuracies depending on where they are, I believe most people are upset at the lack of the mass-transit related navigation (from reading these comments here).  In the end, Apple maps will catch up much more quickly to where Google maps is now rather than in small increments, which would be better for iOS6 users in the long run.  However, there is always that "in the meantime..." caveat.  One thing to always keep in mind with Apple is that they always have a plan.  Their goal is to sell the hardware, and they would not have jeopardized that goal with some foolish personal vendetta with Google.  This will be resolved quickly, but they need a little time.  The operating system just came out a few days ago and just to be sure, I looked outside, and the sky has not fallen yet.  Of course we still have a few months according to those pesky Mayans.

  • Reply 49 of 89

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DeanSolecki View Post



    The google maps in iOS 5 were garbage compared to android, anyway. Normally I take a middle line on these issues, but I think Apple made the right move taking this in-house. 


    The previous map app was written in-house by Apple.


     


    Apple should have asked Google to write a map app.

  • Reply 50 of 89

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post


    $85,000 a year in San Francisco Bay area and you think they can afford to drive Ferrari's?



     


    You couldn't even rent, much less buy a crack house in San Fran for that kind of money.

  • Reply 51 of 89
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
    mstone wrote: »
    People keep saying crowd sourced information will propel Apple to the forefront of local search but I don't understand how that happens since they don't control thier own data. They get their data from other providers so how does an apple user requesting dry cleaning service make its way up stream to improve Apple search results?

    I'm lost on that myself. We don't have access to Apple's data set, so how are we going to improve it? We can complain about an error, but someone with access would need to actually verify the report and enter it. That said, my area seems fine save for a missing new campus for a local university. Hypothetically, adding a new road might work if enough people drive the road where the app doesn't show one, but there are limits to the idea of crowd sourcing.
  • Reply 52 of 89
    I was testing out the turn-by-turn navigation on iOS6 outside of Chicago. The target searches are all accurate. However the directions were way off. It kept telling me to make U-Turns where I could just make left turns several streets prior. It could be that Apple's data were not as complete as Google's
  • Reply 53 of 89
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,454member
    The New York Times just posted a particularly salient article:

    http://nyti.ms/NLrpSu

    We are all definitely paying for this little feud.

    I just did a search for Walmart on the Westside of LA, and was shown a Walmart in a single family dwelling in the middle of a residential neighborhood.

    And I just realized I lost street view which saved me a couple of times.

    Oh Apple ... Why? Why didn't you just work secretly in this until it was really ready. I'm sure you'll get it right in a couple of years, but that's not really an acceptable answer when you've been selling a product that worked so well before ...
  • Reply 54 of 89

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Why didn't Apple start doing this 5 years ago? Why are they playing catch up now when there are more competitive options in the smartphone space? Seems to me Steve dropped the ball on this. By the time you're ready to go live with a map app it shouldn't be beta (or worse). The map app on iOS 6 just feels like its not ready for prime time.


     


    Do we know exactly when Apple "started doing this"?

  • Reply 55 of 89
    I must give Tim Cook credit for making such a brazen decision to dump Google products like that with homegrown replacements. This was a massive undertaking at Apple, and you can't expect them to get it perfect on the first release. I'm just wondering now what will happen with the YouTube app on Apple TV when iOS 6 is released for Apple TV.
  • Reply 56 of 89
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    Do we know exactly when Apple "started doing this"?
    Well if they started doing this 5 (or more) years ago and this is all they have to show for it...
  • Reply 57 of 89
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    peteralt wrote: »
    I must give Tim Cook credit for making such a brazen decision to dump Google products like that with homegrown replacements. This was a massive undertaking at Apple, and you can't expect them to get it perfect on the first release. I'm just wondering now what will happen with the YouTube app on Apple TV when iOS 6 is released for Apple TV.
    But as an end user I could care less about Apple's feud with Google. I just wan the best map app possible and going from Google maps to Apple's replacement is a downgrade.
  • Reply 58 of 89

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mac_128 View Post



    The New York Times just posted a particularly salient article:

    http://nyti.ms/NLrpSu

    We are all definitely paying for this little feud.

    I just did a search for Walmart on the Westside of LA, and was shown a Walmart in a single family dwelling in the middle of a residential neighborhood.

    And I just realized I lost street view which saved me a couple of times.

    Oh Apple ... Why? Why didn't you just work secretly in this until it was really ready. I'm sure you'll get it right in a couple of years, but that's not really an acceptable answer when you've been selling a product that worked so well before ...


     


    I find it hilarious that there are double the amount of hits to Maps from iOS users compared to Android users. As in web-browsing, Android users does not seem to actually use their smartphones as actual smartphones. And to expect Google to willingly miss out on all that usage (and exposure to ads) by NOT delivering a Google Maps app for iOS ASAP would probably be wrong.


     


    They will not have the balls to leave all those users (and revenue) on the table.

  • Reply 59 of 89


    Tim & Co, please fix it! I love Apple!






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